Discussion
Equilibrium25 said:
dvshannow said:
The tesla clearly has decent tech , as per all the features Pooh mentions didn’t think my statement was at all controversial, think the guy is just trolling now
Not trolling. I answered a direct question put to me about what technology i felt was missing. I’d also already stated what tech I thought was good (drivetrain). Sorry if your opinion differs to mine, but that doesn’t make me a troll. Take your insults elsewhere. “I’ve got one. It doesn’t have much tech, trust me.”
People credit Tesla with fart noises and stuff you can do on your phone like watch you tube or play a game but then dismiss surround view, ventilated seats, head up displays, adaptive headlights, I could even mention parking sensors..
We have a MY and a BMW 8 series, both about the same to buy (I think the BMW was actually cheaper but was an ex demo car).
It has
Ventilated seats
Adaptive suspension
Is considerable quieter except when I decide to hold it in gear
The seats are massively more supportive
The headlights are adaptive
The cruise and lane keep is much more communicative than tbe Tesla system, it also recognises roundabouts are ahead and tight bends
Supports CarPlay/android auto.
Has a wireless charge pad and it warns you when you go to get out the car if you’ve left your phone on the charge pad
Has soft closing doors
Warns you of the outside temperature drops below 3 deg
And it has had stuff for ages that Tesla owners have a wet dream over like automatics heated steering wheel and seats - our BMW have had them at least a year
And the voice control.. none of this button pressing thing to activate
As for parking sensors, the BMW has them, rear radar for cross traffic alerts, it won’t actually let you drive into anything if you’re moving below 10 mph, it brakes, and you have a 360 camera view.
Is there anything I like about the Tesla more? It’s load space, the power train, which is an EV thing. I'm too old and have no desire to impress 12 year old children to value fart noises and light shows
If you are thinking of getting a new MY at the moment, don’t. The cars are at an all time low on tech, there is talk to upgraded cameras comings, and the lack of radar and parking sensors make it a difficult ownership proposition for many, and on the used market in 3 years they’re the cars nobody will want to touch, and a quick look at the used market shows nobody wants them now.
When it’s due to change, if we get another electric car it will be something like an iX, but to be honest, I went out for a 2 hour drive in the 8 series yesterday and I loved every minute of it, I can’t say I’ve ever done that in a Tesla.
We have a MY and a BMW 8 series, both about the same to buy (I think the BMW was actually cheaper but was an ex demo car).
It has
Ventilated seats
Adaptive suspension
Is considerable quieter except when I decide to hold it in gear
The seats are massively more supportive
The headlights are adaptive
The cruise and lane keep is much more communicative than tbe Tesla system, it also recognises roundabouts are ahead and tight bends
Supports CarPlay/android auto.
Has a wireless charge pad and it warns you when you go to get out the car if you’ve left your phone on the charge pad
Has soft closing doors
Warns you of the outside temperature drops below 3 deg
And it has had stuff for ages that Tesla owners have a wet dream over like automatics heated steering wheel and seats - our BMW have had them at least a year
And the voice control.. none of this button pressing thing to activate
As for parking sensors, the BMW has them, rear radar for cross traffic alerts, it won’t actually let you drive into anything if you’re moving below 10 mph, it brakes, and you have a 360 camera view.
Is there anything I like about the Tesla more? It’s load space, the power train, which is an EV thing. I'm too old and have no desire to impress 12 year old children to value fart noises and light shows
If you are thinking of getting a new MY at the moment, don’t. The cars are at an all time low on tech, there is talk to upgraded cameras comings, and the lack of radar and parking sensors make it a difficult ownership proposition for many, and on the used market in 3 years they’re the cars nobody will want to touch, and a quick look at the used market shows nobody wants them now.
When it’s due to change, if we get another electric car it will be something like an iX, but to be honest, I went out for a 2 hour drive in the 8 series yesterday and I loved every minute of it, I can’t say I’ve ever done that in a Tesla.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Sunday 26th February 12:34
Well, no matter what the last few pages of discussion have been, i'm expecting my RWD Model Y by the end March.
Pro's and cons with every car. We like the fact that the Y is so different inside than other EV's we test drove (Polestar 2, EV6, Enyaq, Q4, XC40) and we don't want another 'traditional' looking car on the drive.
Looking forward to it, just need to sort a charger out.
Pro's and cons with every car. We like the fact that the Y is so different inside than other EV's we test drove (Polestar 2, EV6, Enyaq, Q4, XC40) and we don't want another 'traditional' looking car on the drive.
Looking forward to it, just need to sort a charger out.
Heres Johnny said:
People credit Tesla with fart noises and stuff you can do on your phone line watch you tube or play a game but then dismiss surround view, ventilated seats, head up displays, adaptive headlights, I could even mention parking sensors..
We have a MY and a BMW 8 series, both about the same to buy (I think the BMW was actually cheaper but was an ex demo car).
It has
Ventilated seats
Adaptive suspension
Is considerable quieter except when I decide to hold it in gear
The seats are massively more supportive
The headlights are adaptive
The cruise and lane keep is much more communicative than tbe Tesla system, it also recognises roundabouts are ahead and tight bends
Supports CarPlay/android auto.
Has a wireless charge pad and it warns you when you go to get out the car if you’ve left your phone on the charhe pad
Has soft closing doors
Warns you of the outside temperature drops below 3 deg
And it has had stuff for ages that Tesla owners have a wet dream over like automatics heated steering wheel and seats - out BMW have had them at least a year
And the voice control.. none of this button pressing thing to activate
As for parking sensors, the BMW has them, rear radar for cross traffic alerts, it won’t actually let you drive into anything if you’re moving below 10 mph, it brakes, and you have a 360 camera view.
Is there anything I like about the Tesla more? It’s load space, the lower train, which is an EV thing. Im too old and have no desire to impress 12 year old children to value fart noises and light shows
If you are thinking of getting a new MY at the moment, don’t. The cars are at an all time low on tech, there is talk to upgraded cameras comings, and the lack of radar and parking sensors make it a difficult ownership proposition for many, and on the used market in 3 years they’re the cars nobody will want to touch, and a quick look at the used market shows nobody wants them now.
When it’s due to change, if we get another electric car it will be something like an iX, but to be honest, I went out for a 2 hour drive in the 8 series yesterday and I loved every minute of it, I can’t say I’ve ever done that in a Tesla.
The problem is, you're comparing wildly different price points - right now, at least (sounds like not when you bought them).We have a MY and a BMW 8 series, both about the same to buy (I think the BMW was actually cheaper but was an ex demo car).
It has
Ventilated seats
Adaptive suspension
Is considerable quieter except when I decide to hold it in gear
The seats are massively more supportive
The headlights are adaptive
The cruise and lane keep is much more communicative than tbe Tesla system, it also recognises roundabouts are ahead and tight bends
Supports CarPlay/android auto.
Has a wireless charge pad and it warns you when you go to get out the car if you’ve left your phone on the charhe pad
Has soft closing doors
Warns you of the outside temperature drops below 3 deg
And it has had stuff for ages that Tesla owners have a wet dream over like automatics heated steering wheel and seats - out BMW have had them at least a year
And the voice control.. none of this button pressing thing to activate
As for parking sensors, the BMW has them, rear radar for cross traffic alerts, it won’t actually let you drive into anything if you’re moving below 10 mph, it brakes, and you have a 360 camera view.
Is there anything I like about the Tesla more? It’s load space, the lower train, which is an EV thing. Im too old and have no desire to impress 12 year old children to value fart noises and light shows
If you are thinking of getting a new MY at the moment, don’t. The cars are at an all time low on tech, there is talk to upgraded cameras comings, and the lack of radar and parking sensors make it a difficult ownership proposition for many, and on the used market in 3 years they’re the cars nobody will want to touch, and a quick look at the used market shows nobody wants them now.
When it’s due to change, if we get another electric car it will be something like an iX, but to be honest, I went out for a 2 hour drive in the 8 series yesterday and I loved every minute of it, I can’t say I’ve ever done that in a Tesla.
An iX, like-for-like is a £20k (or over 35%!) more expensive car, with - it seems - less range. I'm sure it will be lovely, but isn't really a competitor to the MY, is it?
As 8-series is even more expensive, and doesn't contain an expensive battery
An 8-series at your spec is an £83k car today.I'm absolutely no Tesla fanboi (which is why I don't have one yet - I admire them enormously, but I don't quite have the perfect fit between life and Tesla), but it is really easy to lose sight of the relative price points.
z4RRSchris said:
mine arrived
pretty cool, i could do with front camera or beeps when parking, aside from that it’s great.
Looks good - I'm sure you'll enjoy it.pretty cool, i could do with front camera or beeps when parking, aside from that it’s great.
I've not kept up to speed with the parking sensor thing - is there now literally nothing when driving forward and only a camera for reverse?
NDA said:
z4RRSchris said:
mine arrived
pretty cool, i could do with front camera or beeps when parking, aside from that it’s great.
Looks good - I'm sure you'll enjoy it.pretty cool, i could do with front camera or beeps when parking, aside from that it’s great.
I've not kept up to speed with the parking sensor thing - is there now literally nothing when driving forward and only a camera for reverse?
DJP31 said:
When reversing the side cameras operate too. Nothing else. Saw this on another forum, don't know how Tesla Vision is going to deal with the dead space. I wouldn't be holding my breath on how long the wait will be either. I think it was nearly a year before my '17 Model S "auto" wipers started to work.
For a wide range of moving vehicle problems, this isn’t conceptually bad - because whatever was 3 feet away 5 seconds ago is now closer by a knowable amount, and we can use “AI” (let’s not get into that rabbit hole) to figure out where objects are / were. It is how most of us who grew up without parking sensors managed to put our cars in very tight spaces. Whether Tesla’s software is good enough for that yet I don’t know…But there’s a subset of problems for which bumper-mounted sensors are the only real solution. And many of us have rather got used to sensors for that.
Ironically when reversing I think the problem is less acute if the rear camera has a sufficiently wide angle and is in some way self-cleaning. The latter is the biggest problem; until cameras have tear ducts and eyelids, machine vision will continue to be a poor choice of single sensor.
skwdenyer said:
DJP31 said:
When reversing the side cameras operate too. Nothing else. Saw this on another forum, don't know how Tesla Vision is going to deal with the dead space. I wouldn't be holding my breath on how long the wait will be either. I think it was nearly a year before my '17 Model S "auto" wipers started to work.
For a wide range of moving vehicle problems, this isn’t conceptually bad - because whatever was 3 feet away 5 seconds ago is now closer by a knowable amount, and we can use “AI” (let’s not get into that rabbit hole) to figure out where objects are / were. It is how most of us who grew up without parking sensors managed to put our cars in very tight spaces. Whether Tesla’s software is good enough for that yet I don’t know…But there’s a subset of problems for which bumper-mounted sensors are the only real solution. And many of us have rather got used to sensors for that.
Ironically when reversing I think the problem is less acute if the rear camera has a sufficiently wide angle and is in some way self-cleaning. The latter is the biggest problem; until cameras have tear ducts and eyelids, machine vision will continue to be a poor choice of single sensor.
Looks like Tesla have just dropped their UK prices.... again....
https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
EddieSteadyGo said:
Looks like Tesla have just dropped their UK prices.... again....
https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
These are inventory cars though? They dropped the prices to match the new cars price drop? Makes sense.https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
ZesPak said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Looks like Tesla have just dropped their UK prices.... again....
https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
These are inventory cars though? They dropped the prices to match the new cars price drop? Makes sense.https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
For example, on the Tesla website the price of a new long range model Y is currently £52,990. But Tesla are now offering this spec of car for £49,870 which is further £3k discount.
EddieSteadyGo said:
ZesPak said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Looks like Tesla have just dropped their UK prices.... again....
https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
These are inventory cars though? They dropped the prices to match the new cars price drop? Makes sense.https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/16318978434...
For example, on the Tesla website the price of a new long range model Y is currently £52,990. But Tesla are now offering this spec of car for £49,870 which is further £3k discount.
Familymad said:
My neighbour bought one of these £8k off deals in Feb and isn’t best pleased another £3k off his car now. Won’t generate buyer confidence or brand loyalty.
same as us - but it is what it is I guess. Yes it is annoying but if you consider there's no haggling with the buggers is it that different to buying your car from (for example) BMW and negotiating several grand off the list price but Mrs Miggins bought at full list as she's too unsure to negotiate?DodgyGeezer said:
Familymad said:
My neighbour bought one of these £8k off deals in Feb and isn’t best pleased another £3k off his car now. Won’t generate buyer confidence or brand loyalty.
same as us - but it is what it is I guess. Yes it is annoying but if you consider there's no haggling with the buggers is it that different to buying your car from (for example) BMW and negotiating several grand off the list price but Mrs Miggins bought at full list as she's too unsure to negotiate?It is curious the approach to cars over other purchases; we take for granted that prices of other things we buy can go up and down depending upon a range of factors, but we seem to expect something different with cars themselves.
LivLL said:
New inventory Model 3’s are now £40470 down from £48k a short while ago, no wonder residuals are in free fall.
Just had a look at Polstar prices ( which I really like the look of ) against a model 3 long range which are now retailing at £47990. A Polstar 2 long range with just the pilot pack which adds adaptive cruise is just under £55000. You need to add the plus pack to get the heat pump , electric front seats and that’s another £4000 so £59000 compared to £48000 for the Tesla . So £59000 Polstar vs £48000 Tesla which is faster, better equipped , better Tech and better range and with access to a proper charging infrastructure. I’m guessing there are a lot of Legacy manufacturers a bit worried right now.
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