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Mikehig said:
" Can you think of any other example anywhere where computerised systems are allowed to make life changing mistakes? Trains... no. Planes no. Elevators...no Any safety interlock.. no. Traffic lights no. "
Spot on. Look at the problems Boeing is facing with the 737 Max.
I wonder what the case would be if it was proven that the car is statistically safer than even the best human. Surely it's worth trusting the car at that point?Spot on. Look at the problems Boeing is facing with the 737 Max.
Mikehig said:
" Can you think of any other example anywhere where computerised systems are allowed to make life changing mistakes? Trains... no. Planes no. Elevators...no Any safety interlock.. no. Traffic lights no. "
Spot on. Look at the problems Boeing is facing with the 737 Max.
What do you mean by allowed?Spot on. Look at the problems Boeing is facing with the 737 Max.
Software is now a key part of all modern control systems, and no matter how good it is, it's not perfect. But that risk is was often mitigated through other means like human in the loop or reversionary controls, much less so these days.
It'll never be perfect, but someone, somewhere will draw the line at a fatal accident every at 1 in 10,000,000 km or 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 km.
What Boeing did wasn't actually a software failure, but a complete system failure in both design (stall tendancy) and hardware that was driven by a corner case in software.
David87 said:
Taking my Model 3 for its first road trip later on today... Essex to the Highlands, so wish me luck. 
This is a journey I drive several times per year, but it's still a little daunting tackling it in an electric car for the first time. 
What's the plan? Must be a good 600 mile 10+ hour journey? This is a journey I drive several times per year, but it's still a little daunting tackling it in an electric car for the first time. SWoll said:
What's the plan? Must be a good 600 mile 10+ hour journey?
Luckily it's not too far into the Highlands, so it's more like 450-500 miles, depending on the exact route. Usually takes me around 8-9 hours, so will be relying heavily on the Supercharger network! Leaving home at 100%, A Better Routeplanner tells me to stop at Grantham, Scotch Corner and Gretna Green, but I might stick some extra juice in at Scotch Corner, skip Gretna and go to Abington instead.Have to pick the kids up from school, pack everything in and get going by 4pm, hopefully. Will report back with how it goes. Hoping Autopilot will take the strain.
Last time I drove back the other way, I had some business in Port Glasgow. I filled up with diesel at a supermarket, got in the car and drove home without stopping. Think it took about 6 hours. Sadly won't be doing any repeats of that in the Tesla, but at least it'll only cost me £20.
David87 said:
SWoll said:
What's the plan? Must be a good 600 mile 10+ hour journey?
Luckily it's not too far into the Highlands, so it's more like 450-500 miles, depending on the exact route. Usually takes me around 8-9 hours, so will be relying heavily on the Supercharger network! Leaving home at 100%, A Better Routeplanner tells me to stop at Grantham, Scotch Corner and Gretna Green, but I might stick some extra juice in at Scotch Corner, skip Gretna and go to Abington instead.Have to pick the kids up from school, pack everything in and get going by 4pm, hopefully. Will report back with how it goes. Hoping Autopilot will take the strain.
Last time I drove back the other way, I had some business in Port Glasgow. I filled up with diesel at a supermarket, got in the car and drove home without stopping. Think it took about 6 hours. Sadly won't be doing any repeats of that in the Tesla, but at least it'll only cost me £20.
SWoll said:
You're leaving at 4PM on a Friday and not planning an overnight stop? Brave man, I wish you good luck.
Yes. 
It's how I usually do it as the kids fall asleep in the car and I arrive late at night, but not too stupidly late. Not been completely screwed by traffic yet, but fingers crossed. 
David87 said:
Have to pick the kids up from school, pack everything in and get going by 4pm, hopefully. Will report back with how it goes. Hoping Autopilot will take the strain.
The car, AP, and Superchargers will be fine, but leaving at 4pm with kids.....I hope your not any where near the car park that is the M25!We are going down to Cardiff later, much shorter trip at 160 miles, but not leaving till 7pm, cannot see the point of leaving at 5pm to sit in traffic for an extra hour around the M6/M42 for no reason.
David87 said:
SWoll said:
You're leaving at 4PM on a Friday and not planning an overnight stop? Brave man, I wish you good luck.
Yes. It's how I usually do it as the kids fall asleep in the car and I arrive late at night, but not too stupidly late. Not been completely screwed by traffic yet, but fingers crossed. David87 said:
SWoll said:
You're leaving at 4PM on a Friday and not planning an overnight stop? Brave man, I wish you good luck.
Yes. It's how I usually do it as the kids fall asleep in the car and I arrive late at night, but not too stupidly late. Not been completely screwed by traffic yet, but fingers crossed. SWoll said:
David87 said:
SWoll said:
What's the plan? Must be a good 600 mile 10+ hour journey?
Luckily it's not too far into the Highlands, so it's more like 450-500 miles, depending on the exact route. Usually takes me around 8-9 hours, so will be relying heavily on the Supercharger network! Leaving home at 100%, A Better Routeplanner tells me to stop at Grantham, Scotch Corner and Gretna Green, but I might stick some extra juice in at Scotch Corner, skip Gretna and go to Abington instead.Have to pick the kids up from school, pack everything in and get going by 4pm, hopefully. Will report back with how it goes. Hoping Autopilot will take the strain.
Last time I drove back the other way, I had some business in Port Glasgow. I filled up with diesel at a supermarket, got in the car and drove home without stopping. Think it took about 6 hours. Sadly won't be doing any repeats of that in the Tesla, but at least it'll only cost me £20.
~ *checks calendar*
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Kolbenkopp said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
it would be interesting to know if it still did this if you have selected no to the two GDPR data recording options in the menu
Not sure if this matters really. IMO they have all the data they need, it's not like throwing any more input at their current AI is going to make things any better. Else we'd see some real progress. 
David87 said:
...A Better Routeplanner tells me to stop at Grantham, Scotch Corner and Gretna Green, but I might stick some extra juice in at Scotch Corner, skip Gretna and go to Abington instead...
In my experience, you ignore the advice of ABRP and/or the car’s NAV at your own risk. That said, charging ~10% past what the car suggests is a good SOP.
Zcd1 said:
David87 said:
...A Better Routeplanner tells me to stop at Grantham, Scotch Corner and Gretna Green, but I might stick some extra juice in at Scotch Corner, skip Gretna and go to Abington instead...
In my experience, you ignore the advice of ABRP and/or the car’s NAV at your own risk. That said, charging ~10% past what the car suggests is a good SOP.
Heres Johnny said:
Travelled acfross europe in the summer and frequently ignored ABRP - I ended up having to set the destination chargers as waypoints at time for it to do it as I wanted. Its not perfect but then few things are
Interesting. Here in the US, I’ve found that the car’s NAV does a great job overall.
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