Model 3 UK orders.
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p1stonhead said:
UnderSteerD said:
p1stonhead said:
How much is the autopilot thing on the Model 3?
£5k isn’t it?
Autopilot is standard on all models. £5k isn’t it?
Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars.
Autopark: both parallel and perpendicular spaces.
Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really.
Coming later this year:
Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs.
Automatic driving on city streets
In my experience the nav on autopilot is like a nervous new driver, but improving. Pretty good when it successfully exits but a long way to go before you’d call it anything except Beta.
Autopark is pretty good. Summon works well for me but isn’t Smart Summon where the car comes and finds you. That’s due to rules and regs in the EU.
Traffic lights and city driving - don’t hold your breath.
If you fall asleep in a regular car you crash.
If you fall asleep in a tesla on autopilot you most likely just slow down to a stop and the hazards are put on. This has been tested multple times. Sure there is a chance of crashing, relatively small...
Go check the new bloomberg survey data, only 3 crashes out of 5000 users, 1 guy was asleep, 2 others were not paying attention.
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
If you fall asleep in a tesla on autopilot you most likely just slow down to a stop and the hazards are put on. This has been tested multple times. Sure there is a chance of crashing, relatively small...
Go check the new bloomberg survey data, only 3 crashes out of 5000 users, 1 guy was asleep, 2 others were not paying attention.
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
Smiljan said:
Autopilot - safe?
https://www.wired.com/story/feds-tesla-autopilot-p...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/09/watch-tesla-driver...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanceeliot/2019/06/09...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49594260
Not so sure myself, every time I see a youtube video of someone using these systems they drive like complete muppets. Treated like a lane keep, cruise control and you'll be fine. It's not "Autopilot"
This isn't the most captivating video but interesting if you're interested in Autopilot:https://www.wired.com/story/feds-tesla-autopilot-p...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/09/watch-tesla-driver...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanceeliot/2019/06/09...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49594260
Not so sure myself, every time I see a youtube video of someone using these systems they drive like complete muppets. Treated like a lane keep, cruise control and you'll be fine. It's not "Autopilot"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRKT6iMkgY4
It's not always perfect, but it does work. As in the video, V10 has brought both big improvements but the devil is in the detail. I've only had my Model S for a couple of months but progress is immense in terms of "feeling" like a human driver would.
Smiljan said:
It’s also giving people the false impression that it’ll take care if everything so people are crashing because of it. That’s the point about safety being compromised I mean.
That's the entire problem with all safety systems. Bikers are a lot more alert because a mistake kills you. That doesn't mean we need to replace airbags with claymores because "it'll keep them alert".Smiljan]url said:
|https://thumbsnap.com/agrYH5tt[/url]At least they’re emission free
RobDickinson said:
Statistically 8 times less likely to crash on autopilot
No idea why people even argue about it. I've you've spent any amount of time on the motorway it must be obvious to everyone how much better lane discipline, safe distances and lane changes would be if everyone had the system installed?Alright for all of the amateur Senna's on here to complain about it but surely we can agree that the driving standards of the average UK motorist are pretty bloody awful?
Constantly putting up links to accidents that have occurred that are apparently due to 'autopilot error' is also a ridiculous tactic as the driver still has a level of responsibility and how many non Tesla accidents could have been avoided had those cars been using the system as a comparison?
There are of course points for discussion but I do wish certain posters would do at least a little bit of research before posting. It's embarrassing.
Is the power increase noticable? I guess nobody has a vbox or draggy on one to do before and after?I have a vbox, I could have lent it to Dave H as he lives locally if I had known.
Just had to wade through 4 pages of insurance talk. As an aside I always think it is funny that technically you have to tell your insurance company if you put a noisy exhaust on a car or upgrade the alloys but if you are a cheapskate and replace the original Michelin, Continental etc with some Chinese tyres then you don't. I know which is a bigger safety risk.
Just had to wade through 4 pages of insurance talk. As an aside I always think it is funny that technically you have to tell your insurance company if you put a noisy exhaust on a car or upgrade the alloys but if you are a cheapskate and replace the original Michelin, Continental etc with some Chinese tyres then you don't. I know which is a bigger safety risk.
Gandahar said:
Is the power increase noticable? I guess nobody has a vbox or draggy on one to do before and after?I have a vbox, I could have lent it to Dave H as he lives locally if I had known.
Yes, I've done it with a Vbox and the times are very slightly faster 0-60 with my P3D+. Less than a tenth quicker. Reports are suggesting the increased power is only really noticable above 50mph or so.0-100 and 1/4 mile times could be up to half a second quicker by all accounts.
jamoor said:
Scamper said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
I got the second free 5% power increase update last night which should take it close to 500 bhp 
Can’t wait to try full one foot driving
How does this affect your insurance premiums? do these count as "modifications"?Can’t wait to try full one foot driving
if it was an ICE and I added aftermarket filter and exhaust id have to declare it and expect some premium increase....
My car is insured with Tesla’s recommend provider so I don’t think it matters
im looking at getting an EV as my next commuter so id be interested to know the answer to this...
I declared my Bilstein B6s which I had fitted to my 964 to my insurance company with no increase in premium, if I had added a Milltek exhaust and performance chip to increase the power by 25BHP they would've increased my premium. This wouldn't make it a 0-60 in sub 5 seconds car by any means.
How is this any different to a remote power upgrade from the manufacturer?
Who provides the power upgrade in immaterial, its a deviation from the declared specification at the time of policy inception.
How much of a power upgrade would be acceptable to an insurance company before they state that the cover is invalid 50/100/150BHP???....pretty sure there are numerous examples of this type of thing happening in the past where undeclared modifications post policy inception have invalidated policies...
Obviously im no expert....just a car enthusiast...
Fwiw, my insurance company had a funny back and forth between Tesla and them. Basically their issue was that the car I was buying didn't match the spec they had for a 2019 MS 100D. Iirc tesla did an update where all of them got a bit of extra power.
In short :
I: so is it the 510hp or the 700hp?
T: it's neither, it has 530.
I: that one doesn't exists in our system.
T: we changed all of them, the 510 doesn't exists anymore
I:
so it's a new Model?
T: no
I: but it has to be if it has more power, right?
That's a condensed email stream that took over two weeks.
In the end, I went with the insurance that's used to dealing with Teslas. Saved me about 30%.
In short :
I: so is it the 510hp or the 700hp?
T: it's neither, it has 530.
I: that one doesn't exists in our system.
T: we changed all of them, the 510 doesn't exists anymore
I:
so it's a new Model? T: no
I: but it has to be if it has more power, right?
That's a condensed email stream that took over two weeks.
In the end, I went with the insurance that's used to dealing with Teslas. Saved me about 30%.
Lots of tosh being talked here.
Probably because so many people just want the cheapest insurance quote so when they go back to their bottom basement broker to say thay have modified their car, guess what, they spot an opportunity to increase the premium.
My other car is a 335i. It was standard when I bought it. I insured it (not with whoever gave the lowest quote) and then:
Changed runflats to proper tyres.
Fitted a remapping device which added 54 bhp
Got Birds to fit their uprated suspension and LSD
I fully declared all the mods and not a penny increase.
They were more concerned about the type of tracker fitted than how it may be different to when it came out of the factory.
And people are arguing about a software update which increases the 0-60 time by less than 0.1 second?
Get real people.
Probably because so many people just want the cheapest insurance quote so when they go back to their bottom basement broker to say thay have modified their car, guess what, they spot an opportunity to increase the premium.
My other car is a 335i. It was standard when I bought it. I insured it (not with whoever gave the lowest quote) and then:
Changed runflats to proper tyres.
Fitted a remapping device which added 54 bhp
Got Birds to fit their uprated suspension and LSD
I fully declared all the mods and not a penny increase.
They were more concerned about the type of tracker fitted than how it may be different to when it came out of the factory.
And people are arguing about a software update which increases the 0-60 time by less than 0.1 second?
Get real people.
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