Model 3 UK orders.
Discussion
FurtiveFreddy said:
Lots of tosh being talked here.
Probably because so many people just want the cheapest insurance quote so when they go back to their bottom basement broker to say thay have modified their car, guess what, they spot an opportunity to increase the premium.
My other car is a 335i. It was standard when I bought it. I insured it (not with whoever gave the lowest quote) and then:
Changed runflats to proper tyres.
Fitted a remapping device which added 54 bhp
Got Birds to fit their uprated suspension and LSD
I fully declared all the mods and not a penny increase.
They were more concerned about the type of tracker fitted than how it may be different to when it came out of the factory.
And people are arguing about a software update which increases the 0-60 time by less than 0.1 second?
Get real people.
The thing is, that's your anecdotal experience. Perhaps your circumstances mean that your broker has qualified you as a low risk driver.Probably because so many people just want the cheapest insurance quote so when they go back to their bottom basement broker to say thay have modified their car, guess what, they spot an opportunity to increase the premium.
My other car is a 335i. It was standard when I bought it. I insured it (not with whoever gave the lowest quote) and then:
Changed runflats to proper tyres.
Fitted a remapping device which added 54 bhp
Got Birds to fit their uprated suspension and LSD
I fully declared all the mods and not a penny increase.
They were more concerned about the type of tracker fitted than how it may be different to when it came out of the factory.
And people are arguing about a software update which increases the 0-60 time by less than 0.1 second?
Get real people.
Someone else with exactly the same car and mods in a crapper postcode, with a slightly worse driving history, less NCD or whatever might be closer to the limits of what the same broker would be prepared to take on as a risk.
Just because you didn't happen to get any price increase for adding 54bhp doesn't mean everyone wouldn't, or indeed someone who was already borderline as a risk proposition wouldn't get pushed beyond the point where the broker is willing to insure them at all. Your same broker might decide for another driver that any mods = uninsurable, whereas they are more flexible for you for a multitude of reasons.
I've had crap quotes off companies that - at least according to forums - others have had great quotes from. This doesn't necessarily mean that I'm a high risk or that the broker is crap just because they weren't price competitive for me.
RobDickinson said:
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
TBF that is excellent / awesome at the price point + perhaps even up to £100k cars. Where I struggle though is that other than mental 0-30 / 60 the car is distinctly average in all other areas imho / afaik. For £60k ish I'd want a really nice place to spend my time; fast acceleration is ace maybe once or twice but after that surely other things become important? I'm not trolling just a genuine question for you + other owners.A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.
TX.
Terminator X said:
RobDickinson said:
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
TBF that is excellent / awesome at the price point + perhaps even up to £100k cars. Where I struggle though is that other than mental 0-30 / 60 the car is distinctly average in all other areas imho / afaik. For £60k ish I'd want a really nice place to spend my time; fast acceleration is ace maybe once or twice but after that surely other things become important? I'm not trolling just a genuine question for you + other owners.A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.
TX.
It's faster
Better technology/infotainment
Far far cheaper to run
Better equipped.
Cheaper to buy
Can charge it at home so no need to waste time in petrol stations.
Quieter, smoother, more reliable.
The only thing that the competition have on it is the quality of the assembly.
Yep, all boils down to this:
Pistonheads: Interior Plastics Matter.
Tbh, for the price of a TM3P you get a reasonably equipped 240hp A4. That does 0-60 in 6 seconds!
It's fast enough for most use as pointed out, and the interiour could be more to most peoples taste. But with just 10k of options it'll be as expensive to purchase, not even talking about fuel, insurance, taxes and maintenance.
Pistonheads: Interior Plastics Matter.
Tbh, for the price of a TM3P you get a reasonably equipped 240hp A4. That does 0-60 in 6 seconds!
It's fast enough for most use as pointed out, and the interiour could be more to most peoples taste. But with just 10k of options it'll be as expensive to purchase, not even talking about fuel, insurance, taxes and maintenance.
Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 14th November 12:30
Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Yep, all boils down to this:
Pistonheads:Interior Plastics not driving a tupperware box Matters.
ftfyPistonheads:
I don't get it, are you calling the A4 a Tupperware Box or the TM3? And why? Neither of them have lifelong warranty or are ideally suited to store foods...
Why is PH all of the sudden so obsessed with plastics?
SWoll said:
No idea why people even argue about it. I've you've spent any amount of time on the motorway it must be obvious to everyone how much better lane discipline, safe distances and lane changes would be if everyone had the system installed?
Alright for all of the amateur Senna's on here to complain about it but surely we can agree that the driving standards of the average UK motorist are pretty bloody awful?
Constantly putting up links to accidents that have occurred that are apparently due to 'autopilot error' is also a ridiculous tactic as the driver still has a level of responsibility and how many non Tesla accidents could have been avoided had those cars been using the system as a comparison?
There are of course points for discussion but I do wish certain posters would do at least a little bit of research before posting. It's embarrassing.
It was one post with links to accidents that wouldn't have happened if the owners had paid attention, there's a view that semi-autonomous driving is dangerous in that it gives people a false sense of security and they pay less attention. Something that research has time and time again proved.Alright for all of the amateur Senna's on here to complain about it but surely we can agree that the driving standards of the average UK motorist are pretty bloody awful?
Constantly putting up links to accidents that have occurred that are apparently due to 'autopilot error' is also a ridiculous tactic as the driver still has a level of responsibility and how many non Tesla accidents could have been avoided had those cars been using the system as a comparison?
There are of course points for discussion but I do wish certain posters would do at least a little bit of research before posting. It's embarrassing.
Tesla have changed their language regarding "self driving" and "autopilot" of late, this can't be a coincidence given some very high profile cases where Tesla owners were killed.
To call those concerns and debates "embarrassing" and dismissing them as some sort of attack on Tesla is another example of a minority of Tesla fanatics who just can see there might be room for change and improvement.
Tesla isn't perfect, it isn't above reproach and its single minded leader Musk has had a detrimental effect on the safety of Tesla owners where there was no need to take shortcuts.
Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.
I've posted many times on various PH threads how much I admire the company and what they've achieved collectively along with the products they've come out with but it still seems any slight negative comments are met with cries of fake news or attacks rather than debate.
Smiljan said:
Tesla isn't perfect, it isn't above reproach and its single minded leader Musk has had a detrimental effect on the safety of Tesla owners where there was no need to take shortcuts.
Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.
Having owned a Tesla for the past couple of months, I can assure you they do everything they can to point out that you SHOULD pay attention and it constantly nags you if you don't have your hands on the wheel for more than 10sec.Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.
Of course, there are owners that will circumvent this warning (iirc one of these guys had something taped to his wheel to fool it)
A much harder case to make is of course the serious accidents avoided because less attentive (tired, cell phone use,...) drivers were using autopilot instead of not paying attention without it.
Does it facilitate this bad behaviour? Yes.
Is that Tesla's fault? Hardly.
You seem to be ignoring that people drove into the canal or one way streets because their GPS told them so, which is actually really the system at fault.
Or people driving in the back of a traffic jam at 120kph because their cruise control was set.
Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 14th November 12:46
Terminator X said:
RobDickinson said:
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
TBF that is excellent / awesome at the price point + perhaps even up to £100k cars. Where I struggle though is that other than mental 0-30 / 60 the car is distinctly average in all other areas imho / afaik. For £60k ish I'd want a really nice place to spend my time; fast acceleration is ace maybe once or twice but after that surely other things become important? I'm not trolling just a genuine question for you + other owners.A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.
TX.
- quality generally
- noise
- boot size
What does the RS4 do better than the TM3? I'm not a hysterical Tesla fanboi, its a genuine question.
I replaced my CLS63 AMG with a TM3 performance and honestly the Tesla is better than the AMG in every department except noise. I was expecting the pace (albeit was still shocked by it) but what really surprised me was just how nice a car the Tesla is to drive day to day.
ZesPak said:
Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Yep, all boils down to this:
Pistonheads:Interior Plastics not driving a tupperware box Matters.
ftfyPistonheads:
I don't get it, are you calling the A4 a Tupperware Box or the TM3? And why? Neither of them have lifelong warranty or are ideally suited to store foods...
Why is PH all of the sudden so obsessed with plastics?
PH reflects the wider motoring landscape where 'beating' a car in a drag race that will never happen (when was the last time you were at the front of a set of lights, next to a comparable car and you were both up for a race......) is not as important as the driving environment you sit in all day long.
I've had 3 electric cars, i'm not against them, but to suggest that there isn't a way to go on certain fronts is just fanboyism. if tesla sorted their interiors out, then they'd be significantly more attractive to PH and by extension the man on the street.
currently, they are not to an acceptable standard.
MOBB said:
If you ignore (as these are non-debatable);
- quality generally
- noise
- boot size
What does the RS4 do better than the TM3? I'm not a hysterical Tesla fanboi, its a genuine question.
I replaced my CLS63 AMG with a TM3 performance and honestly the Tesla is better than the AMG in every department except noise. I was expecting the pace (albeit was still shocked by it) but what really surprised me was just how nice a car the Tesla is to drive day to day.
I also drove an RS5 Sporback while I was considering the Tesla. IMO the only advantages for the RS5 are the hatchback/cargo space and road noise. - quality generally
- noise
- boot size
What does the RS4 do better than the TM3? I'm not a hysterical Tesla fanboi, its a genuine question.
I replaced my CLS63 AMG with a TM3 performance and honestly the Tesla is better than the AMG in every department except noise. I was expecting the pace (albeit was still shocked by it) but what really surprised me was just how nice a car the Tesla is to drive day to day.
The Model 3 Performance is much more fun to drive, much quicker/faster in day to day driving and the tech/infotainment is next-generation by comparison. The fact that (in the US) the Model 3P is $20-30K cheaper is just icing on the cake.
Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Yep, all boils down to this:
Pistonheads:Interior Plastics not driving a tupperware box Matters.
ftfyPistonheads:
I don't get it, are you calling the A4 a Tupperware Box or the TM3? And why? Neither of them have lifelong warranty or are ideally suited to store foods...
Why is PH all of the sudden so obsessed with plastics?
PH reflects the wider motoring landscape where 'beating' a car in a drag race that will never happen (when was the last time you were at the front of a set of lights, next to a comparable car and you were both up for a race......) is not as important as the driving environment you sit in all day long.
I've had 3 electric cars, i'm not against them, but to suggest that there isn't a way to go on certain fronts is just fanboyism. if tesla sorted their interiors out, then they'd be significantly more attractive to PH and by extension the man on the street.
currently, they are not to an acceptable standard.
Greg_D said:
for clarity, i was referring to teslas.
PH reflects the wider motoring landscape where 'beating' a car in a drag race that will never happen (when was the last time you were at the front of a set of lights, next to a comparable car and you were both up for a race......) is not as important as the driving environment you sit in all day long.
I've had 3 electric cars, i'm not against them, but to suggest that there isn't a way to go on certain fronts is just fanboyism. if tesla sorted their interiors out, then they'd be significantly more attractive to PH and by extension the man on the street.
currently, they are not to an acceptable standard.
Oh ok, you could have written that instead of the nonsensical "tupperware box" reference.PH reflects the wider motoring landscape where 'beating' a car in a drag race that will never happen (when was the last time you were at the front of a set of lights, next to a comparable car and you were both up for a race......) is not as important as the driving environment you sit in all day long.
I've had 3 electric cars, i'm not against them, but to suggest that there isn't a way to go on certain fronts is just fanboyism. if tesla sorted their interiors out, then they'd be significantly more attractive to PH and by extension the man on the street.
currently, they are not to an acceptable standard.
Of course the problem with that is just opinions.
As I pointed out, you'd need to seriously take a step back in a lot of other points to live with the Audi. A Model 3 is actually surprising good value for money.
And in most aspects, the Tesla has it beat. Ignoring cost and performance (as they apperently don't matter that much) It has better driver aids, a much better infotainment system, smooth quiet accelleration and all sorts of extras like keeping the climate control on, pulling it out of a parking space, integrated dash cams,...
But yes, I can imagine the interiour and leather quality is better in the A4 if optioned.
ZesPak said:
Smiljan said:
Tesla isn't perfect, it isn't above reproach and its single minded leader Musk has had a detrimental effect on the safety of Tesla owners where there was no need to take shortcuts.
Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.
Having owned a Tesla for the past couple of months, I can assure you they do everything they can to point out that you SHOULD pay attention and it constantly nags you if you don't have your hands on the wheel for more than 10sec.Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.
Of course, there are owners that will circumvent this warning (iirc one of these guys had something taped to his wheel to fool it)
A much harder case to make is of course the serious accidents avoided because less attentive (tired, cell phone use,...) drivers were using autopilot instead of not paying attention without it.
Does it facilitate this bad behaviour? Yes.
Is that Tesla's fault? Hardly.
You seem to be ignoring that people drove into the canal or one way streets because their GPS told them so, which is actually really the system at fault.
Or people driving in the back of a traffic jam at 120kph because their cruise control was set.
Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 14th November 12:46
Terminator X said:
A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.
TX.
I assume this is based in your extensive ownership experience of a Model 3 Performance? You wouldn't be daft enough to make a statement like that without having lived with one for a considerable period of time obviously as that would be ridiculous.TX.
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