Model 3 UK orders.

Model 3 UK orders.

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Durzel

12,272 posts

168 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
Lots of tosh being talked here.

Probably because so many people just want the cheapest insurance quote so when they go back to their bottom basement broker to say thay have modified their car, guess what, they spot an opportunity to increase the premium.

My other car is a 335i. It was standard when I bought it. I insured it (not with whoever gave the lowest quote) and then:

Changed runflats to proper tyres.
Fitted a remapping device which added 54 bhp
Got Birds to fit their uprated suspension and LSD

I fully declared all the mods and not a penny increase.
They were more concerned about the type of tracker fitted than how it may be different to when it came out of the factory.

And people are arguing about a software update which increases the 0-60 time by less than 0.1 second?

Get real people.
The thing is, that's your anecdotal experience. Perhaps your circumstances mean that your broker has qualified you as a low risk driver.

Someone else with exactly the same car and mods in a crapper postcode, with a slightly worse driving history, less NCD or whatever might be closer to the limits of what the same broker would be prepared to take on as a risk.

Just because you didn't happen to get any price increase for adding 54bhp doesn't mean everyone wouldn't, or indeed someone who was already borderline as a risk proposition wouldn't get pushed beyond the point where the broker is willing to insure them at all. Your same broker might decide for another driver that any mods = uninsurable, whereas they are more flexible for you for a multitude of reasons.

I've had crap quotes off companies that - at least according to forums - others have had great quotes from. This doesn't necessarily mean that I'm a high risk or that the broker is crap just because they weren't price competitive for me.

Zoon

6,706 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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RobDickinson said:
Ford Focus - £500 for blind spot system
Vauxhall astra £815 for driver assist pack

etc etc. I do think the most of the German cars at the same level as the 3 include what they have mostly..
Which makes sense as even top spec cars are £10k cheaper than an M3

Terminator X

15,085 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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RobDickinson said:
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
TBF that is excellent / awesome at the price point + perhaps even up to £100k cars. Where I struggle though is that other than mental 0-30 / 60 the car is distinctly average in all other areas imho / afaik. For £60k ish I'd want a really nice place to spend my time; fast acceleration is ace maybe once or twice but after that surely other things become important? I'm not trolling just a genuine question for you + other owners.

A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.

TX.

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Terminator X said:
RobDickinson said:
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
TBF that is excellent / awesome at the price point + perhaps even up to £100k cars. Where I struggle though is that other than mental 0-30 / 60 the car is distinctly average in all other areas imho / afaik. For £60k ish I'd want a really nice place to spend my time; fast acceleration is ace maybe once or twice but after that surely other things become important? I'm not trolling just a genuine question for you + other owners.

A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.

TX.
Lets see,

It's faster
Better technology/infotainment
Far far cheaper to run
Better equipped.
Cheaper to buy
Can charge it at home so no need to waste time in petrol stations.
Quieter, smoother, more reliable.


The only thing that the competition have on it is the quality of the assembly.

ZesPak

24,430 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Yep, all boils down to this:

Pistonheads: Interior Plastics Matter.

Tbh, for the price of a TM3P you get a reasonably equipped 240hp A4. That does 0-60 in 6 seconds!
It's fast enough for most use as pointed out, and the interiour could be more to most peoples taste. But with just 10k of options it'll be as expensive to purchase, not even talking about fuel, insurance, taxes and maintenance.

Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 14th November 12:30

Greg_D

6,542 posts

246 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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ZesPak said:
Yep, all boils down to this:

Pistonheads: Interior Plastics not driving a tupperware box Matters.
ftfy

ZesPak

24,430 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Yep, all boils down to this:

Pistonheads: Interior Plastics not driving a tupperware box Matters.
ftfy
confused
I don't get it, are you calling the A4 a Tupperware Box or the TM3? And why? Neither of them have lifelong warranty or are ideally suited to store foods...
Why is PH all of the sudden so obsessed with plastics?

Smiljan

10,839 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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SWoll said:
No idea why people even argue about it. I've you've spent any amount of time on the motorway it must be obvious to everyone how much better lane discipline, safe distances and lane changes would be if everyone had the system installed?

Alright for all of the amateur Senna's on here to complain about it but surely we can agree that the driving standards of the average UK motorist are pretty bloody awful?

Constantly putting up links to accidents that have occurred that are apparently due to 'autopilot error' is also a ridiculous tactic as the driver still has a level of responsibility and how many non Tesla accidents could have been avoided had those cars been using the system as a comparison?

There are of course points for discussion but I do wish certain posters would do at least a little bit of research before posting. It's embarrassing.
It was one post with links to accidents that wouldn't have happened if the owners had paid attention, there's a view that semi-autonomous driving is dangerous in that it gives people a false sense of security and they pay less attention. Something that research has time and time again proved.

Tesla have changed their language regarding "self driving" and "autopilot" of late, this can't be a coincidence given some very high profile cases where Tesla owners were killed.

To call those concerns and debates "embarrassing" and dismissing them as some sort of attack on Tesla is another example of a minority of Tesla fanatics who just can see there might be room for change and improvement.

Tesla isn't perfect, it isn't above reproach and its single minded leader Musk has had a detrimental effect on the safety of Tesla owners where there was no need to take shortcuts.

Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.

I've posted many times on various PH threads how much I admire the company and what they've achieved collectively along with the products they've come out with but it still seems any slight negative comments are met with cries of fake news or attacks rather than debate.

ZesPak

24,430 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Smiljan said:
Tesla isn't perfect, it isn't above reproach and its single minded leader Musk has had a detrimental effect on the safety of Tesla owners where there was no need to take shortcuts.

Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.
Having owned a Tesla for the past couple of months, I can assure you they do everything they can to point out that you SHOULD pay attention and it constantly nags you if you don't have your hands on the wheel for more than 10sec.

Of course, there are owners that will circumvent this warning (iirc one of these guys had something taped to his wheel to fool it)
A much harder case to make is of course the serious accidents avoided because less attentive (tired, cell phone use,...) drivers were using autopilot instead of not paying attention without it.
Does it facilitate this bad behaviour? Yes.
Is that Tesla's fault? Hardly.

You seem to be ignoring that people drove into the canal or one way streets because their GPS told them so, which is actually really the system at fault.
Or people driving in the back of a traffic jam at 120kph because their cruise control was set.

Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 14th November 12:46

MOBB

3,617 posts

127 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Terminator X said:
RobDickinson said:
Anyhow looks like the modle 3 performance has clocked a 2.9s to 60mph in USA after the last update.
TBF that is excellent / awesome at the price point + perhaps even up to £100k cars. Where I struggle though is that other than mental 0-30 / 60 the car is distinctly average in all other areas imho / afaik. For £60k ish I'd want a really nice place to spend my time; fast acceleration is ace maybe once or twice but after that surely other things become important? I'm not trolling just a genuine question for you + other owners.

A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.

TX.
If you ignore (as these are non-debatable);

- quality generally
- noise
- boot size

What does the RS4 do better than the TM3? I'm not a hysterical Tesla fanboi, its a genuine question.

I replaced my CLS63 AMG with a TM3 performance and honestly the Tesla is better than the AMG in every department except noise. I was expecting the pace (albeit was still shocked by it) but what really surprised me was just how nice a car the Tesla is to drive day to day.



Greg_D

6,542 posts

246 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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ZesPak said:
Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Yep, all boils down to this:

Pistonheads: Interior Plastics not driving a tupperware box Matters.
ftfy
confused
I don't get it, are you calling the A4 a Tupperware Box or the TM3? And why? Neither of them have lifelong warranty or are ideally suited to store foods...
Why is PH all of the sudden so obsessed with plastics?
for clarity, i was referring to teslas.

PH reflects the wider motoring landscape where 'beating' a car in a drag race that will never happen (when was the last time you were at the front of a set of lights, next to a comparable car and you were both up for a race......) is not as important as the driving environment you sit in all day long.

I've had 3 electric cars, i'm not against them, but to suggest that there isn't a way to go on certain fronts is just fanboyism. if tesla sorted their interiors out, then they'd be significantly more attractive to PH and by extension the man on the street.

currently, they are not to an acceptable standard.

Zcd1

451 posts

55 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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MOBB said:
If you ignore (as these are non-debatable);

- quality generally
- noise
- boot size

What does the RS4 do better than the TM3? I'm not a hysterical Tesla fanboi, its a genuine question.

I replaced my CLS63 AMG with a TM3 performance and honestly the Tesla is better than the AMG in every department except noise. I was expecting the pace (albeit was still shocked by it) but what really surprised me was just how nice a car the Tesla is to drive day to day.
I also drove an RS5 Sporback while I was considering the Tesla. IMO the only advantages for the RS5 are the hatchback/cargo space and road noise.

The Model 3 Performance is much more fun to drive, much quicker/faster in day to day driving and the tech/infotainment is next-generation by comparison. The fact that (in the US) the Model 3P is $20-30K cheaper is just icing on the cake.

MOBB

3,617 posts

127 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Tesla interiors are fine IMO, comparable to VW I would say. Some bits are superb, some bits are below average.

I dont think they will ever reach Merc/Porsche/Audi levels.

I think the overall supply/customer support level is much more of a threat to the brand having experienced it.

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Greg_D said:
ZesPak said:
Yep, all boils down to this:

Pistonheads: Interior Plastics not driving a tupperware box Matters.
ftfy
confused
I don't get it, are you calling the A4 a Tupperware Box or the TM3? And why? Neither of them have lifelong warranty or are ideally suited to store foods...
Why is PH all of the sudden so obsessed with plastics?
for clarity, i was referring to teslas.

PH reflects the wider motoring landscape where 'beating' a car in a drag race that will never happen (when was the last time you were at the front of a set of lights, next to a comparable car and you were both up for a race......) is not as important as the driving environment you sit in all day long.

I've had 3 electric cars, i'm not against them, but to suggest that there isn't a way to go on certain fronts is just fanboyism. if tesla sorted their interiors out, then they'd be significantly more attractive to PH and by extension the man on the street.

currently, they are not to an acceptable standard.
Too few buttons?

ZesPak

24,430 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Greg_D said:
for clarity, i was referring to teslas.

PH reflects the wider motoring landscape where 'beating' a car in a drag race that will never happen (when was the last time you were at the front of a set of lights, next to a comparable car and you were both up for a race......) is not as important as the driving environment you sit in all day long.

I've had 3 electric cars, i'm not against them, but to suggest that there isn't a way to go on certain fronts is just fanboyism. if tesla sorted their interiors out, then they'd be significantly more attractive to PH and by extension the man on the street.

currently, they are not to an acceptable standard.
Oh ok, you could have written that instead of the nonsensical "tupperware box" reference.

Of course the problem with that is just opinions.

As I pointed out, you'd need to seriously take a step back in a lot of other points to live with the Audi. A Model 3 is actually surprising good value for money.
And in most aspects, the Tesla has it beat. Ignoring cost and performance (as they apperently don't matter that much) It has better driver aids, a much better infotainment system, smooth quiet accelleration and all sorts of extras like keeping the climate control on, pulling it out of a parking space, integrated dash cams,...

But yes, I can imagine the interiour and leather quality is better in the A4 if optioned.

Smiljan

10,839 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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ZesPak said:
Smiljan said:
Tesla isn't perfect, it isn't above reproach and its single minded leader Musk has had a detrimental effect on the safety of Tesla owners where there was no need to take shortcuts.

Shame really that you can't see that and are blinded by the light shining out of his backside.
Having owned a Tesla for the past couple of months, I can assure you they do everything they can to point out that you SHOULD pay attention and it constantly nags you if you don't have your hands on the wheel for more than 10sec.

Of course, there are owners that will circumvent this warning (iirc one of these guys had something taped to his wheel to fool it)
A much harder case to make is of course the serious accidents avoided because less attentive (tired, cell phone use,...) drivers were using autopilot instead of not paying attention without it.
Does it facilitate this bad behaviour? Yes.
Is that Tesla's fault? Hardly.

You seem to be ignoring that people drove into the canal or one way streets because their GPS told them so, which is actually really the system at fault.
Or people driving in the back of a traffic jam at 120kph because their cruise control was set.

Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 14th November 12:46
Nice partial quote, but at least you proved my point. You are blind to the notion there may be room for improvement. Crazy really that you are taken in so easily.

Smiljan

10,839 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Still this chap is happy, so happy he baked his Tesla a birthday cake



Absolutely stark raving nuts, I'm sure if his Tesla had an exhaust pipe he'd be locked up by now rofl

Can't argue Tesla owners aren't passionate about the brand.

SWoll

18,397 posts

258 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Terminator X said:
A lot of TM3 owners seem to point at the RS4 and waggle their finger. That car is a tad slower to 60 but hugely better than the TM3 in all others areas is my point.

TX.
I assume this is based in your extensive ownership experience of a Model 3 Performance? You wouldn't be daft enough to make a statement like that without having lived with one for a considerable period of time obviously as that would be ridiculous.

Smiljan

10,839 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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It's gone off piste a little as all long threads inevitably do.

You could start your own thread "Model 3 owners discussion" or such or even your own forum if you really can't just let everyone chip in good and bad.

Barging in and telling people to sod off on threads rarely goes well.

Smiljan

10,839 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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You have made a point though, Gangzoom started this thread with his order. Did he get it delivered yet?