Model 3 UK orders.

[Heres Johnny]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Heres Johnny said:

We're also getting service lead times of up to 2 months and with heaters failing again, some people are being left with no heater for a chunk of the winter and last I heard, Tesla don't consider a loaner is needed .

i assume thats on the S/X?

Primarily the MX, its the second winter now where there's been a spate of them as the temperature drops - I guess the heaters have to work harder and so waeknesses show up

Does happen to MS as well, mainly facelift, and I guess we'll find out if the M3 has the issue although hopefully not.

[Heres Johnny]

RobDickinson said:

HJ with more hate. sigh.

Anyhow heres my terrible paint job, look at it, gosh. How do I cope.



UK should be getting new shiploads soon I think?

The truth hurts Rob, thats what you don't like

I'll remind you that I run the largest database of intentory in the world helping potential buyers find the cars they want, but I will not stand for anyone talking bullst. Honest, fair, balanced opinions and insight are what peoiple deserve

I was asked a question the other day via my web site about 90 battery degradation - we had an hours conversation about the different versions of the battery, how to check, the nature of the problem, I pointed him to the guide I'd written on how to calculate battery degradation on any car he might look at, and armed with the facts he decided to head towards a facelift MS 90D.

Your response would have been "Buy an M3" without hearing the question.

Who's offering the better, informed advice?

Edited by Heres Johnny on Thursday 28th November 09:25

[Heres Johnny]

jamoor said:

ds666 said:

Are Tesla rolling out many more superchargers now in the UK ?

Not that I’m aware of.
There are many more options springing up though.

Looks like they've expanded Westfield shopping centre, even of a shopping centre is a stupid place to put superchargers, 11kw destination chargers would be better.

Robs view is "yes they are but its all the bad people in the world who are in the pocket of the oil companies and haters who are stopping them"

The glass half full view is "they're stuck with a wayleves and they've just gone to market with a vacancy for someone to run the roll out to help increase the effort"

The glass hald empty view is "its been stilted for 18 months now with very slow progress, and the cost cutting thats hit services centres and everything else has almost certainly meant they're not putting the investment into it they once did"

Edited by Heres Johnny on Thursday 28th November 09:55

[Dave Hedgehog]

Heres Johnny said:

Primarily the MX, its the second winter now where there's been a spate of them as the temperature drops - I guess the heaters have to work harder and so waeknesses show up

Does happen to MS as well, mainly facelift, and I guess we'll find out if the M3 has the issue although hopefully not.

i doubt the M3 will suffer this problem as it uses the motors running in an inefficient mode to generate heat

[ZesPak]

Heres Johnny said:

Looks like they've expanded Westfield shopping centre, even of a shopping centre is a stupid place to put superchargers, 11kw destination chargers would be better.

And why is that? When passing through, a shopping mall is ideal for a SuC, bathroom stop and a quick bite. All the advantages of a highway stop with none of the drawbacks.

11kw charging is only relevant when you spend several hours somewhere, like a hotel or workplace.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Dave Hedgehog said:

i doubt the M3 will suffer this problem as it uses the motors running in an inefficient mode to generate heat

I think you're getting mixed up between cabin heating HVAC and battery heating.

The M3 doesn't have a dedicated battery heater like the S/X to precondition the battery in very cold weather, so it uses heat from the motors to do that (very inefficiently).

The HVAC heating is completely separate to that and will be similar across all models, but hopefully improved from the units which have been going bang in the other models. Time will tell.

[Heres Johnny]

ZesPak said:

Heres Johnny said:

Looks like they've expanded Westfield shopping centre, even of a shopping centre is a stupid place to put superchargers, 11kw destination chargers would be better.

And why is that? When passing through, a shopping mall is ideal for a SuC, bathroom stop and a quick bite. All the advantages of a highway stop with none of the drawbacks.

11kw charging is only relevant when you spend several hours somewhere, like a hotel or workplace.

Because they get abused by people who go there and charge while shopping not shopping while charging. Westfield is the type of shipping centre you’d go to for 3-4 hours. Tesla bleat on about being power constrained which is why they can’t expand the network. So why increase the number there with 8 superchargers when they could have installed 24 11kw chargers for those shopping and left the superchargers for those that genuinely need a fast charge?

[ZesPak]

Idle chargers don't take up capacity, only parking spots.
So why not just install 24 SuC?
Worst case scenario you're charging as slow as a destination charger.

[jamoor]

Heres Johnny said:

ZesPak said:

Heres Johnny said:

Looks like they've expanded Westfield shopping centre, even of a shopping centre is a stupid place to put superchargers, 11kw destination chargers would be better.

And why is that? When passing through, a shopping mall is ideal for a SuC, bathroom stop and a quick bite. All the advantages of a highway stop with none of the drawbacks.

11kw charging is only relevant when you spend several hours somewhere, like a hotel or workplace.

Because they get abused by people who go there and charge while shopping not shopping while charging. Westfield is the type of shipping centre you’d go to for 3-4 hours. Tesla bleat on about being power constrained which is why they can’t expand the network. So why increase the number there with 8 superchargers when they could have installed 24 11kw chargers for those shopping and left the superchargers for those that genuinely need a fast charge?

I think the shopping centre should be responsible for installing universal 11kw chargers rather than Tesla only ones.

[LG9k]

Heres Johnny said:

Because they get abused by people who go there and charge while shopping not shopping while charging. Westfield is the type of shipping centre you’d go to for 3-4 hours. Tesla bleat on about being power constrained which is why they can’t expand the network. So why increase the number there with 8 superchargers when they could have installed 24 11kw chargers for those shopping and left the superchargers for those that genuinely need a fast charge?

I'm sure Westfield is very happy about it.

They know Tesla owners are people with more money than sense (even gangzoom says so!) and having those sorts of people at a shopping centre is wonderful for them

[FurtiveFreddy]

Any SuC location where there are good facilities to shop, eat etc. is open to abuse by those who don't care about idle fees. That's not a reason no to site them at shopping centres. The idle fees need to be high enough to deter the vast majority from abusing them.

Installing slow chargers instead is not a long term solution. If a location can't support fast charging then lots of slow chargers may be a short term solution but there really needs to be one per parking space in that case.

Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Thursday 28th November 10:54

[Heres Johnny]

Hey - if every shopping centre had more superchargers than you can shake a stick at then of course it would be great

But they don’t

I’m just pointing out that given scant resources there are better ways to use them

Edited by Heres Johnny on Thursday 28th November 17:24

[RobDickinson]

jamoor said:

I think the shopping centre should be responsible for installing universal 11kw chargers rather than Tesla only ones.

If they are paying for them themselves yes

But tesla usually supply the chargers at least

[RobDickinson]

3 is apparently now sold out in Europe until February, grab an inventory car if there's one available...

[Heres Johnny]

RobDickinson said:

3 is apparently now sold out in Europe until February, grab an inventory car if there's one available...

Nah..

Who told you that?

I can get you in one sooner! As soon as they sell an inventory car in the uk they replace it with another

I presume you mean custom order but who’s be dumb enough to do that knowing Tesla don’t do custom orders and just match up your order with inventory?

[RobDickinson]

Inventory cars are a rounding error, your lucky to get.

You said Holland had 7, they are delivering 400+ a day.

UK? 2000+a month.

[RichardM5]

RobDickinson said:

Inventory cars are a rounding error, your lucky to get.

You said Holland had 7, they are delivering 400+ a day.

UK? 2000+a month.

17 Model 3 LR with various specs showing as current inventory right now.

[Terminator X]

RobDickinson said:

HJ with more hate. sigh.

Anyhow heres my terrible paint job, look at it, gosh. How do I cope.



UK should be getting new shiploads soon I think?

TX.

[RobDickinson]

RichardM5 said:

RobDickinson said:

Inventory cars are a rounding error, your lucky to get.

You said Holland had 7, they are delivering 400+ a day.

UK? 2000+a month.

17 Model 3 LR with various specs showing as current inventory right now.

Yep , rounding error. UK is getting Q4 cars now, some for whatever reason wont be matched.

[ZesPak]

RobDickinson said:

If they are paying for them themselves yes

But tesla usually supply the chargers at least

Yeah, I really hoped that Jaguar would align themselves with Tesla for the chargers, maybe when /if smaller players like Rivian arrive?
It's a nice network with good coverage, but I really don't like that it's one brand only. It also makes tesla somewhat the only electric car you can actually travel across Europe with for the time being.