Model 3 UK orders.

[manracer]

Zcd1 said:

manracer said:

Here's another fine example of battery consumption and cold weather usage...

Not sure how you managed to average 371 wh/mile while driving "...like the pope was in the back..."

I average about 310 wh/mile in my 28 mile commute, which includes about 15 miles of 80-mph freeway driving - the worst thing possible for efficiency. Mine's also a "P", with 20" wheels - the least efficient Model 3.

well i averaged 19.9mph in stop start traffic into manchester city centre. on the drive home tonight it was 310, 19.8mph - only difference was it was 8 degress vs 3 degrees.

[anonymous-user]

Trying to get back on topic a little bit, I notice Tesla inventory now lists the local service centre the car is located. Thats a new thing.

Keeping an eye on deprecation too. Coming up to 6 months on the market, and still havn't seen anything on autotrader below list price which seems remarkable to me. Sure that will change when the Y hits early 2020.

[RobDickinson]

You won't see a rhd Y until at least 2021

[ajcj]

gangzoom said:

Most people I think would agree a £50k+ car should meet their journey needs 100% of the time.

I'm not sure that is true. As an example, I have an Audi A8. It's a marvellous machine in 99.999% of journeys, but if I want to carry a wardrobe, or more than four passengers, it's useless. However I accept that, and don't buy a S-Max instead.

My point is that there is some compromise involved in every car choice. For many people, the range of an EV is a very very small compromise, and one that is outweighed by the advantages.

[Zcd1]

ajcj said:

...My point is that there is some compromise involved in every car choice. For many people, the range of an EV is a very very small compromise, and one that is outweighed by the advantages...

Perspective is a wonderful thing - thanks for adding some!

[jamoor]

GryllsBear said:

I think the message coming across loud and clear from Model 3 owners is that they are compromised in range in winter no doubt. You just have to change your driving habits to meet that compromise.

Much as our wardrobe carrying Audi A8 would have to use a roof rack, EV owners need to put aside extra waiting time for charging stops on longer journeys in winter compared to summer.

The tired cliche of an average 30 mile per day is more flaccid than a wardrobe in an A8 as it assumes that much longer journeys are not undertaken regularly.

As someone who fairly regularly does Lon-Hull and Lon-Inverness yet still only does 10k a year, I feel a Model 3 even a long range one is still too compromised to be a good choice for me personally. In summer it’d be ok but winter would mean a number of extra stops and waiting around. Some folk relish the extra stops and copious amounts of coffee but I’d prefer to splash and dash and get going again.

The drop in range on the Model 3 has been a bit of a surprise as I’d just assumed it would be ultra efficient all year around.

If you like splash and dash then an EV will suit you perfectly, it’s all about charging enough to get you to the next stop where you can put it on charge

[SWoll]

gangzoom said:

SWoll said:

The vast majority of the car buying public rarely travel more than 30 miles per day so not really an issue for them as EV's will 'just work' 99.9% of the time.

Would you get on a plane with a 99.9% chance of not crashing? That's roughly one crash a day out of an airport like Heathrow.

A tool that's only good 99.9% time might as well be useless depending on what you use if for.

Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 4th December 14:14

Your logic staggers me.

So you're now equating having to spend 30 minutes charging every 1000 journeys to dying in a plane crash?

Anyway, you carry on believing whatever you want. My new car turned up today so better things to do with my time than argue with you.

Back on topic, a delivered Model 3

[Durzel]

Nice, looks nice in that grey.

[SWoll]

Durzel said:

Nice, looks nice in that grey.

Cheers. Really pleased with it.

Only fly in the ointment was the delivery driver had managed to damage one of the alloys.

Already being dealt with though. Reported to Evezy and hopefully get a replacement/repair before the roads start getting salted..

[FurtiveFreddy]

Durzel said:

Nice, looks nice in that grey.

Oi! Midnight Silver Metallic if you don't mind

[Gojira]

ajcj said:

gangzoom said:

Most people I think would agree a £50k+ car should meet their journey needs 100% of the time.

I'm not sure that is true. As an example, I have an Audi A8. It's a marvellous machine in 99.999% of journeys, but if I want to carry a wardrobe, or more than four passengers, it's useless. However I accept that, and don't buy a S-Max instead.

My point is that there is some compromise involved in every car choice. For many people, the range of an EV is a very very small compromise, and one that is outweighed by the advantages.

I'd have to agree with gangzoom... if my XE didn't cover all my journey needs, I wouldn't have bought it.

For me at the moment, the range on a bev is a dealbreaker. I get that for most folks it isn't, and I expect that when I come to replace the Jag, the market will have moved on, and there will be a bev that meets my needs (so long as it is as much fun as the Jag on a B-road!)

[RobDickinson]

You'd be silly to buy a car that doesnt do what you need.

I got the long range (well perf) 3 because even in winter it'll do what I need - short journeys are a distraction, on long trips it'll do OK in winter, but thats my use/situation and I can plug in when needed at home.

[RobDickinson]

Sambucket said:

Keeping an eye on deprecation too. Coming up to 6 months on the market, and still havn't seen anything on autotrader below list price which seems remarkable to me. Sure that will change when the Y hits early 2020.

Heard used EVs have increase in value over the last year - and a quick look at autotrader shows 16 model 3s on sale most above rrp..!!

[Zcd1]

SWoll said:

Cheers. Really pleased with it.

Looks great - congrats! I really like those wheels and tried to get them when I bought my car but they weren't available.

Bummer about the delivery driver's lack of spatial awareness! Sheesh - he had ONE job!

Be interested to hear what you think of it after you've driven it a bit...

[SWoll]

Zcd1 said:

SWoll said:

Cheers. Really pleased with it.

Looks great - congrats! I really like those wheels and tried to get them when I bought my car but they weren't available.

Bummer about the delivery driver's lack of spatial awareness! Sheesh - he had ONE job!

Be interested to hear what you think of it after you've driven it a bit...

Indeed. Absolute prat and I knew there was an issue as soon as he stepped out of the car as wouldn't shut up in an attempt to keep my attention off checking the car .

Didn't tell me he'd damaged the wheel, I found the damage and had to point it out..

[Durzel]

SWoll said:

Indeed. Absolute prat and I knew there was an issue as soon as he stepped out of the car as wouldn't shut up in an attempt to keep my attention off checking the car .

Didn't tell me he'd damaged the wheel, I found the damage and had to point it out..

That is really st. It’s a good thing you spotted it as that likely would’ve cost a fair chunk to fix, with the aggro of the excess to pay in the first instance.

What did he say when you pointed it out?

[gangzoom]

SWoll said:

Anyway, you carry on believing whatever you want. My new car turned up today so better things to do with my time than argue with you.

The funny thing is I believe what I believe from real life experience of owning an EV since 2015, and doing 55k EV miles since including going road trips to Scotland in November, family holiday in France etc.

If you notice those of us on here who have owned EV for longer than a few months all generally have the same view, EVs are great, and Tesla's are fantastic cars, but anyone who thinks these things are ready for mass adoption is living in fantasy land.

Enjoy your Model 3, its a fantastic car but here is what the future holds for EV road trips....oh this particular Supercharger site has 40 stalls, so be interesting to see how UK sites will cope in future.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/31274/more-teslas-on...

We are holding on to our combustion car because frankly life is too short to waste sitting at a Supercharger queue.

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

Can we keep this thread to actual orders and than deliveries. There is enough discussion on Tesla in other posts.

The good old days

EVs are something like 0.05% of the fleet. Does all this mass adoption stuff really matter at the moment?

[RobDickinson]

Sambucket said:

gangzoom said:

Can we keep this thread to actual orders and than deliveries. There is enough discussion on Tesla in other posts.

The good old days

[gangzoom]

Sambucket said:

The good old days

EVs are something like 0.05% of the fleet. Does all this mass adoption stuff really matter at the moment?

What can I say, there's nothing quite like real life experience. Seeing the other thread on 2 minute fuel ups in a hydrogen car and than the frankly ridiculous (but every believable) situation of a over run 40 stall Tesla SC puts things into perspective.

I'll be the first to say trying EV was always an experiment for me, and actually the longer I own an EV the more am sure they aren't the full replacement for combustion cars.

Toyota may have got it right all along.