Model 3 UK orders.
Discussion
gangzoom said:
What can say, there's nothing quite like real life experience. Seeing the other thread on 2 minute fuel ups in a hydrogen car and than the frankly ridiculous (but every believable) situation of a over run 40 stall Tesla SC puts things into perspective.
I'll be the first to say trying EV was always an experiment for me, and actually the longer I own an EV the more am sure they aren't the full replacement for combustion cars.
Toyota may have got it right all along.
It’s early days. We have years to build infrastructure before the fleet hits 1%. In the mean time there are more than enough people for whom EV is the better choice, to keep things ticking over. I'll be the first to say trying EV was always an experiment for me, and actually the longer I own an EV the more am sure they aren't the full replacement for combustion cars.
Toyota may have got it right all along.
If an EV doesn’t work for you, then sell your EV. Not sure of the drama.
Not everyone needs any infrastructure at all. I used a supercharger once to test it but doubt I’ll ever use one again. I never drive over 150 miles. P3d is my perfect car. 100% of the time.
SWoll said:
Cheers. Really pleased with it.
Only fly in the ointment was the delivery driver had managed to damage one of the alloys.
Already being dealt with though. Reported to Evezy and hopefully get a replacement/repair before the roads start getting salted..
Bad luck on the alloy wheel but why doesn't the tyre overhand the rim to give it some protection?Only fly in the ointment was the delivery driver had managed to damage one of the alloys.
Already being dealt with though. Reported to Evezy and hopefully get a replacement/repair before the roads start getting salted..
Its just cynically designed to be fragile and expensive to drum up after sales revenue. Guy at work parks his i3 next me and his wheels are all scrapped up.
Sambucket said:
It’s early days. We have years to build infrastructure before the fleet hits 1%. In the mean time there are more than enough people for whom EV is the better choice, to keep things ticking over.
If an EV doesn’t work for you, then sell your EV. Not sure of the drama.
Not everyone needs any infrastructure at all. I used a supercharger once to test it but doubt I’ll ever use one again. I never drive over 150 miles. P3d is my perfect car. 100% of the time.
Why would I sell the best car I have owned??If an EV doesn’t work for you, then sell your EV. Not sure of the drama.
Not everyone needs any infrastructure at all. I used a supercharger once to test it but doubt I’ll ever use one again. I never drive over 150 miles. P3d is my perfect car. 100% of the time.
It seems like some EV owners just cannot admit EVs have limitations versus combustion cars.
I love our EV, it does far more miles than our combustion car, but for our usage there are times - about once a month, taking the combustion car is simply far easier.
granada203028 said:
Bad luck on the alloy wheel but why doesn't the tyre overhand the rim to give it some protection?
Its just cynically designed to be fragile and expensive to drum up after sales revenue. Guy at work parks his i3 next me and his wheels are all scrapped up.
yeah nah both passenger side wheels on mine are scraped already - fact of live on the road I live, tradies trying to run you off the road every corner.. Its just cynically designed to be fragile and expensive to drum up after sales revenue. Guy at work parks his i3 next me and his wheels are all scrapped up.
the aero covers dont offer any protection either, theres 3rd party protectors out there..
gangzoom said:
What can I say, there's nothing quite like real life experience. Seeing the other thread on 2 minute fuel ups in a hydrogen car and than the frankly ridiculous (but every believable) situation of a over run 40 stall Tesla SC puts things into perspective.
I'll be the first to say trying EV was always an experiment for me, and actually the longer I own an EV the more am sure they aren't the full replacement for combustion cars.
Toyota may have got it right all along.
Your better off burning petrol than hydrogen currently, it’s less polluting, hydrogen car costs are just nuts I'll be the first to say trying EV was always an experiment for me, and actually the longer I own an EV the more am sure they aren't the full replacement for combustion cars.
Toyota may have got it right all along.
And hydrogen stations are very limited on the number of cars a day they can fill
https://youtu.be/h-6BRdUPq54
If we can produce a large surplus of renewable energy to cover the 3 units of energy it takes to make 1 unit of hydrogen energy, they can scale up green hydrogen production (98% is currently black hydrogen from fossil fuels) and shrink the fuel cells so they need far less platinum and get fuel cells to produce a decent amount of power hydrogen cars will be viable, but that’s 10-20 years away
Sambucket said:
Keeping an eye on deprecation too. Coming up to 6 months on the market, and still havn't seen anything on autotrader below list price which seems remarkable to me. Sure that will change when the Y hits early 2020.
They’re not selling though.. take this one, it’s been listed since August https://tesla-info.com/detail.php?ref=5207394e65b2...
gangzoom said:
SWoll said:
Anyway, you carry on believing whatever you want. My new car turned up today so better things to do with my time than argue with you. 
The funny thing is I believe what I believe from real life experience of owning an EV since 2015, and doing 55k EV miles since including going road trips to Scotland in November, family holiday in France etc.If you notice those of us on here who have owned EV for longer than a few months all generally have the same view, EVs are great, and Tesla's are fantastic cars, but anyone who thinks these things are ready for mass adoption is living in fantasy land.
Enjoy your Model 3, its a fantastic car but here is what the future holds for EV road trips....oh this particular Supercharger site has 40 stalls, so be interesting to see how UK sites will cope in future.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/31274/more-teslas-on...
We are holding on to our combustion car because frankly life is too short to waste sitting at a Supercharger queue.
The biggest blockers to mass adoption are the availability of cheap public charging for people without the ability to do so at home and the relatively high purchase price of the vehicles themselves. The absolute range for long distance trips is a complete non issue for millions of drivers, they just don't cover distances that would require them to stop and charge en-route.
RobDickinson said:
I grew up in an area packed with wall to wall 2 up 2 down terrace housing with no gardens etc, and not quite chelsea either.. sorting that out for EVs will be a while.
Exactly. Do you think the majority of people in those circumstances care whether an EV can cover a 300 mile trip without stopping to charge? No, they're more concerned about where they'll charge their cars to ensure they can cover the <30 miles per day they do 250 days of the year.And to clarify, no-one is suggesting that EV's don't have limitations with regards to absolute range compared to an ICE vehicle, just that those limitations affect a very small minority of people.
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 4th December 23:35
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 4th December 23:36
SWoll said:
You're obsessed with 'road trips'. Try looking past the end of your own nose and you'll realise that you are in a very small minority of people who do them on anything like a regular basis.
That's hilarious, so your advice for someone looking at EVs is to never go on road trips???You do realise how ridiculous that sounds to most people looking to buy cars costing from £40k+.
Its like Apple trying to pretend the iPhone 4 was fine, as no one uses a smart phone to make phone calls, so who cares about the aerial
.EVs are fine for road trips, but they are not as hassle free as a combustion car. We don't mind, I even did a 150 miles trip in a Leaf in winter that took 5hr including charging time. But plenty of people might not want the extra hassle, especially when EVs cost so much more to buy.
There is no point not telling potentially buyers about this, its much better people know the facts rather than find out later when they are stuck with a product that might not suit their needs. Its called telling the truth.
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 5th December 06:16
gangzoom said:
That's hilarious, so your advice for someone looking at EVs is to never go on road trips???
You do realise how ridiculous that sounds to most people looking to buy cars costing from £40k+.
Its like Apple trying to pretend the iPhone 4 was fine, as no one uses a smart phone to make phone calls, so who cares about the aerial.
EVs are fine for road trips, but they are not as hassle free as a combustion car. We don't mind, I even did a 150 miles trip in a Leaf in winter that took 5hr including charging time. But plenty of people might not want the extra hassle, especially when EVs cost so much more to buy.
There is no point not telling potentially buyers about this, its much better people know the facts rather than find out later when they are stuck with a product that might not suit their needs. Its called telling the truth.
No, clearly not what I'm saying.You do realise how ridiculous that sounds to most people looking to buy cars costing from £40k+.
Its like Apple trying to pretend the iPhone 4 was fine, as no one uses a smart phone to make phone calls, so who cares about the aerial
.EVs are fine for road trips, but they are not as hassle free as a combustion car. We don't mind, I even did a 150 miles trip in a Leaf in winter that took 5hr including charging time. But plenty of people might not want the extra hassle, especially when EVs cost so much more to buy.
There is no point not telling potentially buyers about this, its much better people know the facts rather than find out later when they are stuck with a product that might not suit their needs. Its called telling the truth.
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 5th December 06:16
Again, the vast majority of people either don't go on long road trips or do so very rarely so the ability to charge en-route is of no real concern and absolute range has no need to be a consideration.
All you're doing is constantly stating the obvious, that if you do regular long distance trips an EV is going to be an inconvenience compared to ICE and I completely agree. I'm saying that scenario affects a tiny percentage of potential owners and is not a blocker to mass adoption other than in the minds of some people who are obsessed with "what if" scenarios.
springfan62 said:
I will save time with home charging over the regular visit to Sainsbury's to fill up.
Much depends on how much the car fits your usage profile an EV is not viable for everyone.. yet.
And possibly never will be if you see some of the scenarios people come up with.Much depends on how much the car fits your usage profile an EV is not viable for everyone.. yet.
Sort out on street charging for people without access to charge at home overnight and bring down the cost of entry and the vast majority of new car buyers could switch immediately with little or no inconvenience.
SWoll said:
All you're doing is constantly stating the obvious, that if you do regular long distance trips an EV is going to be an inconvenience compared to ICE and I completely agree. .
Am glad you agree, but its not obvious, not when you have WLTP ranges now going into 300 miles but come winter real life range is half that unless you drive around with little heating and slow down.What manufactures should actually state isn't the ideal max range, but the minimal range the expect the cars to get with the heater running, at 70mph, in the rain. That way people can decide for them selves if the car has enough range for their needs.
Most of manfactuers do offer real life examples of this already, but they rarely advertise these figures. The reality is for users what provides much more information is the minimal range these cars can achieve not the theoretical max range.
GryllsBear said:
Is that true “a vast majority of people don’t do long trips or only very rarely”?
Just look at the average annual mileage in the UK according to MOT tests (approx 7,500 miles). Then take the average commute distance driven of 20 miles per day. 253 working days per year = 5k miles, remaining 2500 miles/112 weekend and bank holidays = 22 miles per day.Of course there will be the odd 50-100 mile trip thrown in and day's without any use but 250-300 mile trips on a regular basis?
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 5th December 10:48
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