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FurtiveFreddy said:
All three were at different levels of charge though, so it's another meaningless drag race which doesn't really prove anything.
And the X was a pre-raven and on the smaller wheel option.
I'm sure it'll get millions of clicks as usual though.
State of charge has only a small influence on performance, the battery internal resistance is largely independent of state of charge, more so affected by temperature.And the X was a pre-raven and on the smaller wheel option.
I'm sure it'll get millions of clicks as usual though.
Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Sunday 1st March 12:59
A better measure would be acceleration vs speed as it is acceleration you directly feel, shove in the back, and can be more readily transferred to other road situations. Easy to measure these days but not so of old when we only had stop watches and marked out distances.
Clearly the Model 3 Performance is good value for money.
ZesPak said:
I did need to take a double take at the "better infotainment" for the BMW 3 series, but I guess it's personal preference.
That said, his conclusion: The Tesla is much cheaper to own, better equipped, faster, more practical. But the three series is fundamentally a better car
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I.e. Germans pay a lot more ad revenue. That said, his conclusion: The Tesla is much cheaper to own, better equipped, faster, more practical. But the three series is fundamentally a better car
.granada203028 said:
State of charge has only a small influence on performance, the battery internal resistance is largely independent of state of charge, more so affected by temperature.
A better measure would be acceleration vs speed as it is acceleration you directly feel, shove in the back, and can be more readily transferred to other road situations. Easy to measure these days but not so of old when we only had stop watches and marked out distances.
Clearly the Model 3 Performance is good value for money.
SoC has quite a marked influence on performance.A better measure would be acceleration vs speed as it is acceleration you directly feel, shove in the back, and can be more readily transferred to other road situations. Easy to measure these days but not so of old when we only had stop watches and marked out distances.
Clearly the Model 3 Performance is good value for money.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Where did this data come from? I'm really surprised. A 20C rate drone battery discharge curve was totally flat, voltage depression just 5% until just a few % left then it went out like a light.I would expect the car to have very precise current, voltage and power limits and follow these the same time and time again. Only just before it goes flat and significant voltage depression occurs would it throttle back. So the power limit set by the controls not the battery.
Tesla must be ringing the neck of it's batteries then and getting much closer to the maximum power transfer point with very significant losses in the battery and hence heating.
Just goes to show how good my Leaf battery is because it never feels any different and never shows any significant heating. For a 1st generation car used in temperate climates they got the chemistry spot on (but not so good in hot climates I know).
granada203028 said:
Where did this data come from? I'm really surprised. A 20C rate drone battery discharge curve was totally flat, voltage depression just 5% until just a few % left then it went out like a light.
I would expect the car to have very precise current, voltage and power limits and follow these the same time and time again. Only just before it goes flat and significant voltage depression occurs would it throttle back. So the power limit set by the controls not the battery.
Tesla must be ringing the neck of it's batteries then and getting much closer to the maximum power transfer point with very significant losses in the battery and hence heating.
Just goes to show how good my Leaf battery is because it never feels any different and never shows any significant heating. For a 1st generation car used in temperate climates they got the chemistry spot on (but not so good in hot climates I know).
There's loads of evidence on the SoC making a difference on Teslas. I suggest the reason why its not evident on a leaf is becuase the battery is not the limiting factor. which it is and pretty much always has been on a Tesla. I would expect the car to have very precise current, voltage and power limits and follow these the same time and time again. Only just before it goes flat and significant voltage depression occurs would it throttle back. So the power limit set by the controls not the battery.
Tesla must be ringing the neck of it's batteries then and getting much closer to the maximum power transfer point with very significant losses in the battery and hence heating.
Just goes to show how good my Leaf battery is because it never feels any different and never shows any significant heating. For a 1st generation car used in temperate climates they got the chemistry spot on (but not so good in hot climates I know).
Charts like these go back 5 years and there are more recent ones with the P100D I just couldnt be bothered to spend that long looking
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/max-power-...
FurtiveFreddy said:
You're not seriously comparing a Leaf with a Tesla WRT performance and battery technology are you? 
Of course because they have the same Lithium Cobalt oxide batteries with a sprinkling of Silicon, Manganese etc.Leaf is 24kWh, 80kW, Tesla 75kWh 340KW so the "C" rates are not that different, 3.33 & 4.53 respectively. The drone battery test was at about 6C.
RobDickinson said:
Perfect! That software upgrade is exactly what it needed for serious track work.Can't wait
Holy f
k, that Track Mode V2 looks sweet.
Shan’t bother with the new Track Pack add-on though (although it looks cool and it’s great Tesla are doing this). £4,500 for what amounts to new wheels and brake pads seems a bit steep, plus my car is just on PCP and I’ll swap it at the first sniff of a 100kWh Ludicrous model.
k, that Track Mode V2 looks sweet.Shan’t bother with the new Track Pack add-on though (although it looks cool and it’s great Tesla are doing this). £4,500 for what amounts to new wheels and brake pads seems a bit steep, plus my car is just on PCP and I’ll swap it at the first sniff of a 100kWh Ludicrous model.
RobDickinson said:
No idea yet on if v2 can be added on its own.. would guess at some point.
The YouTube video I just watched suggested that the V2 upgrade would be pushed to all Performance models.Edited by RobDickinson on Monday 2nd March 23:08
Also noticed the the Track Pace upgrade includes new tyres, so isn’t bad value really.
RobDickinson said:
"Tesla don't do marketing"But they invite irritating YouTubers to make videos about their products. Hmmmm.... If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
New wheels good, although it'll be interesting to see how badly they affect efficiency. Customisation settings are pretty good though.
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