Model 3 UK orders.
Discussion
ZesPak said:
Why would ionity care? What's their business model?
I don't have a clue what their business model is, I really can't see them making any money though given the enormous cost or buying and installing the chargers. They're a joint venture between most of the German car manufacturers and have some additional EU funding.Seems more of a loss making venture to provide a means of charging so people will buy their EV's.
As many on PH continually post most charging is done at home so I really can't see them making money out of charging. Given this why would they want Tesla's charging on the network?
Edited by Smiljan on Saturday 17th October 12:39
Durzel said:
I wish there were a way of it being impossible for PHEVs to charge on public chargers (or at least rapids). The whole point of them is that the ICE tops it up. They don’t need to charge at all, whereas BEVs do.
Why? The whole point is to use as much electric power as possible.FurtiveFreddy said:
I was at the Amesbury V3 site (off A303) last week.
15 empty stalls and me for the 30 minutes I was there.
New SuC sites are in planning or being installed all the time now. The smaller ones such as Bluewater (5 stalls) do get busy but on the whole SuC supply has met demand so far. Plenty of expansion is being planned, even if that isn't obvious to the casual observer.
Do you have any further details of these expansion plans? The Tesla site isn't a good source as many of those future ones listed have been in planning for a while and have run into landowner / planning issues. (There's a giant thread on the Tesla Motors Club forum for the UK ones)15 empty stalls and me for the 30 minutes I was there.
New SuC sites are in planning or being installed all the time now. The smaller ones such as Bluewater (5 stalls) do get busy but on the whole SuC supply has met demand so far. Plenty of expansion is being planned, even if that isn't obvious to the casual observer.
Maybe it's a non issue with the size of the UK and the distance driven by the average bank holiday travelling family when the peak would be.
Edited by Smiljan on Saturday 17th October 12:57
TheRainMaker said:
Durzel said:
I wish there were a way of it being impossible for PHEVs to charge on public chargers (or at least rapids). The whole point of them is that the ICE tops it up. They don’t need to charge at all, whereas BEVs do.
Why? The whole point is to use as much electric power as possible.SWoll said:
TheRainMaker said:
Durzel said:
I wish there were a way of it being impossible for PHEVs to charge on public chargers (or at least rapids). The whole point of them is that the ICE tops it up. They don’t need to charge at all, whereas BEVs do.
Why? The whole point is to use as much electric power as possible.Had a test drive this afternoon, got a Standard first of all but we took it straight back after 10mins as it felt slower than our i3s.
They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
272BHP said:
Had a test drive this afternoon, got a Standard first of all but we took it straight back after 10mins as it felt slower than our i3s.
They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
I can only assume the SR+ was in chill mode as considerably faster then the i3S (2 seconds quicker to 60 in fact). They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
The demo cars do live hard lives but TBH if you prioritise build quality and interior plastics you're probably better off looking to Polestar and the P2 as these areas are well documented Tesla's weak points. I will add though our m3p has 7k miles on it now and zero rattles/squeaks but agree doesn't feel as well screwed together as the i3 we had previously.
FeelingLucky said:
This is not a software update and most definitely won't be coming to existing cars. The efficiency/range/performance improvements have come via the use of a heat pump and octovalve a la Model Y.
I just mean performance in terms of increased speed. Those who have Long Range cars seem to have the new 0-60 times in the speed boost section of their apps, so unless this is incorrect, they’re getting the extra power. The added range clearly won’t make it to the existing cars because, as you say, it’s hardware that’s doing it.
Smiljan said:
Do you have any further details of these expansion plans? The Tesla site isn't a good source as many of those future ones listed have been in planning for a while and have run into landowner / planning issues. (There's a giant thread on the Tesla Motors Club forum for the UK ones)
Maybe it's a non issue with the size of the UK and the distance driven by the average bank holiday travelling family when the peak would be.
I've met a couple of people key to the expansion plans and it's happening but I can't point you to any online evidence if that's what you're asking for.Maybe it's a non issue with the size of the UK and the distance driven by the average bank holiday travelling family when the peak would be.
Edited by Smiljan on Saturday 17th October 12:57
It's a non issue for sure but it won't stop the Luddites from believing it is an issue. Tesla are selling as many cars as they can make and was still the only one charging at a 16 stall site last week.
I'm not concerned personally.
Gandahar said:
The latest updates to the model 3 seem like lipstick on a very fast pig to be honest.
When's the next price cut due? Soon I'd say.
Who wants an electric Ford Orion in 2021?????
The salt coming from you warms my heart, your shouting at clouds is spicy.When's the next price cut due? Soon I'd say.
Who wants an electric Ford Orion in 2021?????
Tell us more about how cheap we can get an 18 month old Model3 in the UK.
272BHP said:
Had a test drive this afternoon, got a Standard first of all but we took it straight back after 10mins as it felt slower than our i3s.
They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
I am running around in a Model 3 whilst I wait for my P2 to arrive and couldn't believe how bad it felt when I first shut the doors and boot I literally cringed...They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
I don't find the quality of the interior as bad as reviews suggest however but the lack of a speedo in front of you is bloody annoying.
No doubt its a bloody impressive drivetrain however.
greggy50 said:
272BHP said:
Had a test drive this afternoon, got a Standard first of all but we took it straight back after 10mins as it felt slower than our i3s.
They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
I am running around in a Model 3 whilst I wait for my P2 to arrive and couldn't believe how bad it felt when I first shut the doors and boot I literally cringed...They managed to find a Performance for us to try and that was much more like it speed wise! however we were disappointed by the quality of the interior and also the questionable build quality of the entire car. Shutting the boot and doors made me wince as it sounded like a 20 yr old Vectra. Our i3 is a year old and the ride is very firm but nuggety with no noises the Tesla on the other hand is a near 60k car and there was odd noises coming from everywhere, the Standard was the same.
Most of the complaints my wife had was the look of the chrome and the shiny plastic bits of the interior - I believe both of these things have been addressed in the new specs
I don't find the quality of the interior as bad as reviews suggest however but the lack of a speedo in front of you is bloody annoying.
No doubt its a bloody impressive drivetrain however.
And build quality, I think it's perceived to be honest - it's pre supposed cognative bias. You've been told it's bad so look for the bad and find it.
There's some proper cheap crap on VAG cars, same as BMW and Mercs, but they've perfectly judged where to save cash. As said earlier I was amazed that the Model 3 had double wishbone suspension up front, whilst all rivals have cheaper and inferior McPherson struts.
So a lot of the cost has been in the actual engineering but buyers will not see this, just the usual touch points which is a shame in many ways.
Don't get me wrong, some of it isn't great, but most is on par I'd say... No rattles on ours. The window switch has some unclipped and sunk down and some of the sill covers needed to be reclipped with a shove but I see that you're paying for the range and the drivetrain, along with a fairly decent chassis.
Rather than accept there are some flaws with the might Model 3 people always revert to finding all sorts of other cars that have similar flaws in an attempt to point out it must be ok.
I'm surprised no one has found another manufacture where the roof comes off on the way home from the dealer to prove that there's nothing to see here, it's all normal and within spec.
The new ID3 and Golf Mk8 have been roundly slated by all the motoring journalists for the touch controls and poor interior quality yet I haven't seen any of them point to Tesla and say it's fine because they're doing it.
It's pretty easy for Tesla, they have a massive fan base testing, finding and fixing all the flaws in their cars for them. All they need to do is take these into production.
It's laughable that people accept and defend these flaws rather than accept they may actually need improving upon.
I'm sure someone will be along to tell me they are improving quality and things are better but the evidence is out there that they use their customers as quality control and don't bother at the factory. Deliver then fix seems to be the mantra. Something VW has taken on board as acceptable with the ID3 - it's not.
I'm surprised no one has found another manufacture where the roof comes off on the way home from the dealer to prove that there's nothing to see here, it's all normal and within spec.
The new ID3 and Golf Mk8 have been roundly slated by all the motoring journalists for the touch controls and poor interior quality yet I haven't seen any of them point to Tesla and say it's fine because they're doing it.
It's pretty easy for Tesla, they have a massive fan base testing, finding and fixing all the flaws in their cars for them. All they need to do is take these into production.
It's laughable that people accept and defend these flaws rather than accept they may actually need improving upon.
I'm sure someone will be along to tell me they are improving quality and things are better but the evidence is out there that they use their customers as quality control and don't bother at the factory. Deliver then fix seems to be the mantra. Something VW has taken on board as acceptable with the ID3 - it's not.
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