Model X after 2 years and 28k.

[granada203028]

gangzoom said:

Not that was air suspension, still to come for me .

Just gone through the list of things in total our 2 year old car at 30k has had post delivery.

1: Drivers side A pillar rebuilt
2: New sun visors
3: New steering wheel
4: New door latches FWD
5: New door motor passenger side
6: New rear hatch latch
7: New FWD sensors
8: New drivers seat
9: New front suspension links
10: New front drive shafts
11: New key fobs
12: New MCU screen
13: UV treatment for new MCU screen.

Am sure there was a few other things but it'll come to me.....

Regardless officially the most unreliable car I have owned, beating even BMW, Lexus/Toyota have nothing to loss sleep over from Tesla, but I would still buy another one!!

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 31st October 15:14

That's a disaster surely, what nightmare that would be if you had to suffer all that out of warrantee.

I suppose just the AC compressor and a ball joint is good going for my Leaf after 70K.

[gangzoom]

granada203028 said:

That's a disaster surely, what nightmare that would be if you had to suffer all that out of warrantee.

I suppose just the AC compressor and a ball joint is good going for my Leaf after 70K.

Any other car and I would have got rid ages ago, but like I've mentioned theres something about this car that makes me smile like nothing else I've owned before.

I never use to get why people keep on buying RangRovers as JLRs reliability is just as great as Tesla, but now I do.

My old £500 Nissan Micra was more reliable, but does that make me want to trade in the X for a Micra? If we had to get rid one of our cars tomorrow for some reason it wouldnt be the X that goes, but instead the ultra reliable and never been to the dealers for any kind of repair in nearly 5 years Lexus that goes.....Really makes no sense, but there you have it, human emotions making bad decisions again and again and again .

Tesla really shouldn't still be in business with how much post delivery work these cars need, my X isn't even that bad, and I bet virtually every owner has been to a service centre for some kind of work in the last 12 months. But Elon got luckly some where, I doubt even Tesla knows quite how they have managed to get the customer loyalty levels, every survey of owners a say the same thing, the vast majority love the cars despite Tesla coming bottom of reliability surveys........

Maybe the air fitlers are releasing canniboids, maybe the entertainment system is playing some kind of subliminal messaging, who knows, all I know is for some reason I smile more driving this car than any other car I have owned, why? I don't know?!

Oh the AC compressor on theses cars are also known to fail, along with the heater!

Edited by gangzoom on Friday 1st November 05:41

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

granada203028 said:

That's a disaster surely, what nightmare that would be if you had to suffer all that out of warrantee.

I suppose just the AC compressor and a ball joint is good going for my Leaf after 70K.

Any other car and I would have got rid ages ago, but like I've mentioned theres something about this car that makes me smile like nothing else I've owned before.

I never use to get why people keep on buying RangRovers as JLRs reliability is just as great as Tesla, but now I do.

My old £500 Nissan Micra was more reliable, but does that make me want to trade in the X for a Micra? If we had to get rid one of our cars tomorrow for some reason it wouldnt be the X that goes, but instead the ultra reliable and never been to the dealers for any kind of repair in nearly 5 years Lexus that goes.....Really makes no sense, but there you have it, human emotions making bad decisions again and again and again .

Tesla really shouldn't still be in business with how much post delivery work these cars need, my X isn't even that bad, and I bet virtually every owner has been to a service centre for some kind of work in the last 12 months. But Elon got luckly some where, I doubt even Tesla knows quite how they have managed to get the customer loyalty levels, every survey of owners a say the same thing, the vast majority love the cars despite Tesla coming bottom of reliability surveys........

Maybe the air fitlers are releasing canniboids, maybe the entertainment system is playing some kind of subliminal messaging, who knows, all I know is for some reason I smile more driving this car than any other car I have owned, why? I don't know?!

Oh the AC compressor on theses cars are also known to fail, along with the heater!

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 1st November 05:41

I’d like to see your evidence about JLR unreliability. I reckon Tesla has them hands down in that area. Not in a good way.

My 2 yo, 21k XF has been pretty much faultless; all it’s had is a software upgrade to enable OTA updates. The SatNav is a bit random but no worse than BMW or MB in my experience.

JLR had a bad spell with software when the ICT system was introduced but I’m not aware of any major component design issues similar to those you’re suffering.

[anonymous-user]

Gandahar said:

Looking at my posts above for this car out of warranty then 2nd / 3rd / 4th buyers in 3-6 years are in for a world of pain, not only cost wise but trying to get it done.

You would be crazy to buy one without an extended warranty.

[SWoll]

REALIST123 said:

I’d like to see your evidence about JLR unreliability. I reckon Tesla has them hands down in that area. Not in a good way.

My 2 yo, 21k XF has been pretty much faultless; all it’s had is a software upgrade to enable OTA updates. The SatNav is a bit random but no worse than BMW or MB in my experience.

JLR had a bad spell with software when the ICT system was introduced but I’m not aware of any major component design issues similar to those you’re suffering.

I'll leave this here from the 2019 What Car reliability survey, take from it what you will. The XF came bottom of the executive saloon group BTW whilst funnily enough the XJ came top. Without that result they'd have been 30th and 31st in a list of 31..



ETA - I'm a big JLR fan, have family who work for them and would happily have an XF, XJ, F-Type or FFRR despite the above. Great looking and driving cars with real personality but reliable they are not.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 1st November 11:11

Edited by SWoll on Friday 1st November 11:15

[gangzoom]

REALIST123 said:

I’d like to see your evidence about JLR unreliability. I reckon Tesla has them hands down in that area. Not in a good way.

Fighting for the wooden spoon, does it really matter who gets the spoon? Its like asking if Farage or Trump is the better diplomat.

https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/range...

As said our Lexus has had zero faults in nearly 5 years, and I suspect in another 5 years it'll continue to have zero faults, but we if had to get rid of one car one driveway it'll be the Lexus that goes.

Makes no sense does it, but isn't that the whole point of this entire website?? If you want reliable cheap motoring a £500 Nissan Micra will win by a country mile compared to any Tesla or RangeRover, but which one would you own/want to drive?

[anonymous-user]

SWoll said:

REALIST123 said:

I’d like to see your evidence about JLR unreliability. I reckon Tesla has them hands down in that area. Not in a good way.

My 2 yo, 21k XF has been pretty much faultless; all it’s had is a software upgrade to enable OTA updates. The SatNav is a bit random but no worse than BMW or MB in my experience.

JLR had a bad spell with software when the ICT system was introduced but I’m not aware of any major component design issues similar to those you’re suffering.

I'll leave this here from the 2019 What Car reliability survey, take from it what you will. The XF came bottom of the executive saloon group BTW whilst funnily enough the XJ came top. Without that result they'd have been 30th and 31st in a list of 31..



ETA - I'm a big JLR fan, have family who work for them and would happily have an XF, XJ, F-Type or FFRR despite the above. Great looking and driving cars with real personality but reliable they are not.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 1st November 11:11

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 1st November 11:15

Fair enough but a little odd. Your table shows Jaguar as having 97% of the reliability of BMW and even closer to Mercedes. It shows Tesla as far more reliable than any of them, yet Gangzoom’s chart shows Tesla as far less reliable than Jaguar.

[xjay1337]

My Dad has a Lexus before, now he has a Jag XE

The Jag is a great car, but it's had a few niggles. Nothing major. Just electronic gremlins.
Also it had a "misting rear shock" which was picked up on it's first MOT. Even with the extended Jaguar Warranty they did not honour a replacement, and my Dad had to pay! rooks.

The Lexus however needed a completely new engine as the head gasket went, which warped the head and also blocked up the DPF, and the DMF broke (no prior warning lights etc)
They did put in a completely new engine for free and also a new clutch and Flywheel.

My Dad says the Lexus warranty and service was absolutely perfect but the Jaguar customer service leaves a lot to be desired.

[Gandahar]

gangzoom said:

granada203028 said:

That's a disaster surely, what nightmare that would be if you had to suffer all that out of warrantee.

I suppose just the AC compressor and a ball joint is good going for my Leaf after 70K.

Any other car and I would have got rid ages ago, but like I've mentioned theres something about this car that makes me smile like nothing else I've owned before.

I never use to get why people keep on buying RangRovers as JLRs reliability is just as great as Tesla, but now I do.

My old £500 Nissan Micra was more reliable, but does that make me want to trade in the X for a Micra? If we had to get rid one of our cars tomorrow for some reason it wouldnt be the X that goes, but instead the ultra reliable and never been to the dealers for any kind of repair in nearly 5 years Lexus that goes.....Really makes no sense, but there you have it, human emotions making bad decisions again and again and again .

Tesla really shouldn't still be in business with how much post delivery work these cars need, my X isn't even that bad, and I bet virtually every owner has been to a service centre for some kind of work in the last 12 months. But Elon got luckly some where, I doubt even Tesla knows quite how they have managed to get the customer loyalty levels, every survey of owners a say the same thing, the vast majority love the cars despite Tesla coming bottom of reliability surveys........

Maybe the air fitlers are releasing canniboids, maybe the entertainment system is playing some kind of subliminal messaging, who knows, all I know is for some reason I smile more driving this car than any other car I have owned, why? I don't know?!

Oh the AC compressor on theses cars are also known to fail, along with the heater!

Edited by gangzoom on Friday 1st November 05:41

Good points, you can't use a spreadsheet to say what you should buy with a car, people use their hearts too.

Says me who had the following with his MX5 in last 24 hours

1. Parked into a beauty spot car park watching the sun.
2. Tried to leave, click click click. ... Nooooooooooooooo
3. Called RAC. We cannot find you ... you are not near civilisation ... Kent obviously is like Tashkent !
4, Wife turns up in the Yaris ( which goes on and on and on spewing out particulates ) with the jump leads ... still no good. Retire to a nice bottle of red at home while do my Sir Field Marshall Montgommery, with Conan the Delta Force dog, type plan of action to get a battery up there....

To quote Donald Trump " It was a talented battery and a beautiful one.

It did the trick !

[Gandahar]

Still pondering why I pay RAC each year when they cannot find me and I end going to Halfords and have to get my trusty socket set out ...

They should be paying me !

PS Anyone going EV needs to have an old Toyota on hand just in case

Edited by Gandahar on Friday 1st November 14:47

[gangzoom]

Gandahar said:

PS Anyone going EV needs to have an old Toyota on hand just in case

Edited by Gandahar on Friday 1st November 14:47

Why do think we still have the Lexus, its just a posh Prius after all .

[RobDickinson]

My cat switched the 4 way blinkers on my mx5 killed the battery in the garage, least it was local lol..

The X is crazy tech, not surprised it has issues, its also unlike anything else on the roads so that's why people love them.

The 3 is massively simpler hoping it works in its favour, does seem to be.

[SWoll]

REALIST123 said:

Fair enough but a little odd. Your table shows Jaguar as having 97% of the reliability of BMW and even closer to Mercedes. It shows Tesla as far more reliable than any of them, yet Gangzoom’s chart shows Tesla as far less reliable than Jaguar.

His chart was from the 2018 survey I believe so perhaps 2013 Model S cars were particularly bad?. Can't really comment on Tesla as reports seem to vary wildly but JLR are consistently towards the very bottom unfortunately.

I'd still give my right plum for an F-Type R coupe in Black as a weekend toy though.

[RobDickinson]

Tesla try to rapidly improve things where they can, here's a chart on the model 3, as said before easier because simpler and mass produced but a good example..

[Gandahar]

Unlike current JLR's I think the model X will rise in value if you keep it long enough ,,,,

I think it might get to the status of one of the first Sony CD players.

Just a thought.

Imagine Antiques EV Roadshow in 2039,,,,


Keep hold of that bad boy !

[granada203028]

Black model X on the hard shoulder of the M4 going east just on to the second seven crossing (prince of Whales bridge). Hazards looked nice and bright

So they are clearly rubbish cars....

[gangzoom]

SWoll said:

JLR are consistently towards the very bottom unfortunately.

I'd still give my right plum for an F-Type R coupe in Black as a weekend toy though.

Sums it up really, if reliability and cheapness is your main criteria for car ownership why are you even on this forum. Go and buy a Nissan Micra and be happy with trouble free motoring, watching paint dry I hear is also a good cheap hobby to have .

[gangzoom]

granada203028 said:

Black model X on the hard shoulder of the M4 going east just on to the second seven crossing (prince of Whales bridge). Hazards looked nice and bright

So they are clearly rubbish cars....

More likely they just run out of charge, for reasons beyond me some EV owners seem to enjoy the 'challenge' of seeing how low they can push the battery SOC. In coming up to 5 years of EV ownership I've never once come close to running out of charge, but on the Facebook groups posting pictures of arriving at a charger with 0 miles seems to be a game for some.

Ofcourse if you get it wrong your stranded waiting for a tow and than waiting even longer for a charge.

When our X did need to be towed for the suspension link failure (got worse over a course of a few days), the tow truck guy clearly had towed quite a few Tesla's, but apparently mine was the first one he had done where there was an actual issue, and not just someone running out of charge.

[gangzoom]

Glad to see Tesla service centre still working despite the lock down.

Though am commuting to hospital on the pedal bike I still need the car to drop my daughter off at nursery first . Front door latch has decided to stop working which means at times I cannot open/close the drivers door!!!

But at least the next available service appointment is only next week. 4 month between service appointments though is the longest the car has gone between breakdowns, after this may make it to September before the next thing breaks on the car .

Edited by gangzoom on Friday 27th March 08:54

[lost in espace]

Mates X has just had the front nearside suspension go, squeaking like crazy. 2 years old/38k. He does drive it quite hard though and brakes heavily, well he is a tube driver ;-)