Model X after 2 years and 28k.

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Kewy said:

Worst 'I own a Lexus' thread ever.

I really wish I could say we to people own 'Lexi'....but sadly Lexus don't do EVs .

May be should be Lexuses?? Ah-ha .

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xjay1337 said:

Many other companies also have a 5 yr warranty and Vauxhall still have their lifetime one.

Can you name manufactures with much better warranties in the same pricing maket Tesla is in? £40k-100k cars?

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Tesla pushed out a software update today that let me change the incar graphics to also show 22inch wheels instead of 20s, so the dash graphic now looks like the car in real life, small things make me happy. If this was Taycan, Porsche probably would have sent me a £200 bill for the same feature





Also some reports Tesla are getting ready for AP 2/2.5 CPU upgrades to AP 3 CPUs, so hopefully the car will be brought back uptodate on the AP front.

Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.

Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.

Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not .

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Heres Johnny said:

Am I the only one that thinks trinckets like changing the wheels on the display are much much less important that service centre availability, delivering cars to people who have paid 50k and ensuring the systems don't catch fire or cause a crash??

Am still perplexed why you still own a Tesla?

Surely given your views on the company the last thing you want is own one of their products or have shares??

I'm very happy with the service I've had for from Tesla, its far better than from a Sytner BMW dealer. One of the reasons why I would hesitate to buy another BMW is the awful main dealer experience, for me Tesla hasn't been any where as patronising or useless.

Clearly others have had a different experience, but I can only speak from my own.

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Heres Johnny said:

But I will be off when the rewards come in ]

Am sure not sure I would let money/referrals get in the way of putting up with something I hated so much. The referrals isn't even real money, and £20K deprecation is surely pretty good given how long you've had the car, most similar cars of the same value would have lost just as much if not more?

If your waiting for a referral PowerWall did you not get the options to turn that into 'Tesla credit'? Though not sure how you would actually turn that into real money without buying another Tesla.

Enjoy what ever car you get next, and I hope it doesn't bring as agro as your Tesla, but we are very happy with our ownership experience. If it wasn't for house renovations we'll happily have a Model 3 now for my wife. Tesla isn't perfect but no worse than any other car manufacture.

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Heres Johnny said:

Why? The car is ok for what it is as it currently works, its the company and people like yourself and Rob with your rose tinted glasses that I don't really want to be associated with. The referral rewards are a point of principal and I have set a date at which point they're getting a notice of court proceedings for failure to fulfil their obligations.

It does seem to me your Tesla ownership experience is very different from mine. I only bothered to take part in the referral process for 1 round in 2017, and all the promised stuff have been delivered, now including the PowerWall which is just waiting on WesternPower to OK the install.

If I had the same experience as you I would probably feel the same, but as I keep on pointing out my own experience of Tesla has been good. Just like my experience with BMW was awful but many people will have had no issues.

If you have some kind of personal issue against me I cannot help that, its not my intention to annoy anyone so maybe just ignore my posts??

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Small things make me smile, always wanted a Kia - no idea why, but also cannot bring my self to actually buy a Kia, so next best thing is to name the Tesla 'Kia'. Yeaph makes no sense but thats us humans for you .

Software updates on the whole have really improved the infotainment system. There use to be a slight lag when changing menu screens, they have written in some kind of clever Cache so thats now gone.

Spotify use to crash alot 12 months ago, not had to reset it now for over 6 months now.

Web browser also now works OK for text/low graphic pages, useful for me as I read alot of text articles when sitting around in the car whilst my daughter sleeps.

Considering the infotainment hardware in our car is the same as in the 2013 cars am surprised how well it still functions with the updates. If you compare it to smartphone progress thats the equivalent of using a iPhone 5 today, which am not sure how many people still are.



It will be interesting how the older hardware handles the up and coming v10 software....

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Swapped over the wheels yesteday, question was could I fit x4 20inch alloys AND x2 20inch tyres into a 6 seater X with a child seat in place??



The answer is YES! The utility of this car is quite astounding!



However I have just driven from Leicester to Gatwick in our combustion car for a work meeting. In total will be 310 miles round trip done at rush hour, rain, even at lane 3 speeds it'll be nearly 6hrs on the road all in. Even a brand new near £80k Raven 100D S would need charging at some point, even a 10 minute stop at 730am will add 20-30 minutes to the trip depending on how much traffic builds up. Where as in the combustion car I can just keep going and use around half a tank of fuel regardless of speed/route etc.

I think its only the 2nd time this year we've had to do a trip where the combustion car was simply more convenient. As much as I want an all EV drive drive way realistically I don't think I could put up with the inconvenience of having to stop and charge on work/time sensitive trips, even though its no more than 2-3 times a year we do these trips.

EV for 95% of our trips and combustion car for other 5%, given most EV owners will no doubt be 2 car families, you can get the benefit of EV motoring and not worry about the inconvenience. I think we'll be a one EV on combustion family for a long while yet .

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SWoll said:

So rather than plan to leave 20 minutes earlier 2-3 times a year you will keep an ICE car and do <1k miles a year in it?

Sounds ridiculous to me but everyone's circumstances are different I suppose.

Why is it ridiculous?

We have two cars in the family, both get get used every day for a 10 mile commute for each. I suspect most families looking at EVs are the same.

The EV does 95% of mileage outside the routine commute, and other other 5% where charging is an inconvenience the combustion car does.

We didn't get an EV for fake green credentials, equally any brand new EV will loss far more in deprecation than our near 5 year old combustion car costs to run. Infact just the £310/year VED on a Model 3 is more than what the combustion cost to service + MOT + £10/year VED. Add in only 5k a year at a true 50mpg average using unleaded thats only £550/year in fuel. All in running costs including insurance shows our combustion car costs sub £100/year to run.

From finance point of view switching totally to EVs makes no sense, that's before adding in the long trips inconveniences. To go totally EV 100% of the time you need to be committed to the cause and prepare to pay for it with both time + money, we aren't that committed, just want a decent balance .

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SWoll said:

Out of interest when you add depreciation, maintenance, MOT, VED, fuel and insurance together for your ICE car what's the total yearly figure?

Excluding depreciation its under £100/month all in ownership costs.

Depreciation is year dependent- last 9 months £0, bought new in 2015 for £33k now WBAC says £17k and going up currently, so less than 50% depreciation at 4.5 years old which is out standing and matches the best EVs. Its the equivalent of saying a SR+ Model 3 would be worth £19kish in 2023, which am not sure one would be confident with.

Swapping to a brand new EV now means paying another £30k+ to the px value, and in return we get a car that is barely any cheaper to run over 5k a year, less convenient for long trips and guaranteed to loss more value over the next 3 years.

Keeping the combustion car for another 3 years and than switching to a real life 300 miles+ range in all weather conditions/speeds EV is the plan.

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 12th September 12:39

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SWoll said:

Definitely. Renting something of that size from Europcar for example would cost a couple of hundred quid a week so would likely cost you less than the insurance does to keep the S-max let alone all of the other costs involved?

Might eat my words shortly as will also be full EV household with an i3 and M3P but as suggested would just rent a car for a day/week if absolutely not do-able with EV's.

Renting is hardly convenient though, you have to go to the rental place, worry about excess, etc.

2 EV households will be fine, but you cannot get away from the inconvenience of long distance work trips. Add in the high cost of long range EVs it doesn't make much sense to pay more for less convince at the moment for us.

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 12th September 12:37

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Baldchap said:

Ours had this. The official fix is a thick transparent sticker on the affected area.

Our Dec 2016 build date X had the paint wear at the point of FWD but June 2017 build car has a 'dimple' in the metal where the paint on the old car wore, so no paint wear.

Still undecided about the extended warranty though, will wait till its past 45k miles before deciding I think.

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Witchfinder said:

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I do follow tesla-info.com already. Prices are still crazy.

Quite agree, however the 100D cars are relatively 'good value' used compared to their previous prices.

Prices will come down at some point, they always do .

Some of the cars will be out of the 50k warranty soon. If you go for one of these its worth checking everything, the actual finishing on these car seem to vary alot. 'Friday' cars 100% exist.

Edited by gangzoom on Friday 13th September 11:59

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kuro68k said:

Also be aware that some of the batteries tend to die around the 100-120k mile mark. Bjorn's 90kWh died at 120, I think some people had issues with the 70 around there too. Tesla replaced for free but it was goodwill and probably influenced by the fact that they are popular YouTubers, you might not be so lucky.

Extended warranty is probably a good idea.

A total pack failure is not an issue as the 8 year warranty will cover it.

The main advantage of the extended warranty for me is to cover either MCU or Air Suspension.

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So I can now say our X is the second I have owned after the BMW that needed to be towed .

What started as a tiny intermittent clunky noise last week turned into constant squeaking to the point of sounding like metal rubbing on metal this afternoon. The problem is almost certainly the upper control arms, and rather risk the thing breaking down by the side of the road during working week I called Tesla tonight to flat bed it to Brimingham service centre.

Telsa offered a loan car to be delivered to the house which I declined as I have access to another car at present.

Will be interesting to see how quickly Tesla can turn the car around.

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Cannot fault Tesla service, car sorted already, both front upper control arms replaced.

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Car dropped off at home today, its annoying it needed suspension work, but cannot fault the service, didn't have to take any time off work, literally door to door service, with loan car offered to the whole time I didn't have the car.

Hopefully no more visits to the service centre for a while!!

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Gandahar said:

I get the feeling someone who buys a 6 year old example of this will be like someone who is happy to buy an M5 V10.

Quite agree.

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Gandahar said:

Perhaps it will be like fridges though by that point, we just get a new one and cast it off.

That would make a complete mockery of any fake green credentials any EV ever had, but your quite right, some Tesla owners already do this.

Go on to the Tesla forums and your see people dumping their barely 2 year old cars for a new one because they want the latest car with a new media control unit which will let them play a game??? Am not sure I understand the economics of that given my smart phone plays games and was much cheaper than a brand new car.....But the good thing about that is it brings a steady supply of used cars to market.

I'm still intending to keep ours for at least 8 years. The new suspension part was on revision 'D' so clearly Tesla are redesigning parts that have issues very quickly.

I will be getting the extended warranty though, which will cover the car to 100k or 8 years which ever is earlier.

Edited by gangzoom on Friday 27th September 05:34

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So another day, another service visit......Hopefully this is the last one for a while, well until either the MCU fails, or 12V battery dies, or maybe it'll be the key fobs, more optimistically should be when AP 2.0 ->3.0 upgrades start .

Amazingly this is actually the first time I've owned the car when I can saw its 'fault free'!! Better late than never I suppose.



On the plus side even a 2015 Model S is still a really drive, personally I much prefer it to the 3. Just a shame even the cheapest new S is now more expensive than our X, so that's not going to happen any time soon...Better work harder .