Model X after 2 years and 28k.

[Witchfinder]

xjay1337 said:

I've checked using the Kona and it would make it, but I don't want or need a larger SUV type vehicle...

The Kona really isn't a large SUV, it's more of a jacked-up hatchback. It's certainly no bigger than a Golf or Focus.

[gangzoom]

Fat Wolfie said:

If I’m honest I was surprised at the short time is said - but also found it enlightening as in my head I’d always kind of assumed I’d be topping up to 100% when plugged in, just as I do in the car (I.e. always go to full when I stop for fuel even if I don’t need a full tank to get to my destination).

I suppose it’s a mindset change to go through that you don’t always need a “full tank” in the battery when you stop.

If you have home/destination charging unless your doing 850 mile in 14 hrs type trip you simply don't need to charge to even 80% for UK travel with any 200 mile range+ EV.

Most of the time we only need to charge for 10 minutes to give a decent buffer to arrive at the destination without having to drive slowly or worry about getting to the destination with 0%.

There are situations where EVs still don't work due to range - For example the twice a year work trip we do thats time sensitive with no destination charging, but for our needs our EV work amazingly well as the main family car, with our combustion car demoted to just fixed commuting and occasional use. Our Lexus has barely done 9K in the same time period of doing 28K in the Tesla.

[xjay1337]

Witchfinder said:

xjay1337 said:

I've checked using the Kona and it would make it, but I don't want or need a larger SUV type vehicle...

The Kona really isn't a large SUV, it's more of a jacked-up hatchback. It's certainly no bigger than a Golf or Focus.

I haven't seen it in the flesh just pictures I'm afraid.

[gangzoom]

Wingo said:

We regularly see a few Dutch registered Teslas up in the French/Swiss mountains and quite a few hotels in the towns and villages have tesla chargers now.

We fully intend to take our UK registered Tesla back to the Swiss alps once our daughter is old enough.

We are planning this road trip hopefully next 12-24 months, cannot wait

[chandrew]

gangzoom said:

Wingo said:

We regularly see a few Dutch registered Teslas up in the French/Swiss mountains and quite a few hotels in the towns and villages have tesla chargers now.

We fully intend to take our UK registered Tesla back to the Swiss alps once our daughter is old enough.

We are planning this road trip hopefully next 12-24 months, cannot wait

Switzerland always has been a relatively strong market for Tesla, which was surprising given that there were relatively few incentives for EVs. Here in St. Moritz we have a supercharger and most of the hotels have Tesla destination chargers (and a few have installed Porsche destination chargers). Two of the local hotels run Teslas as courtesy cars.

We also see a lot of Teslas from all over Europe, including Scandinavia here in both winter and summer. At the moment I haven't seen any other of the big EVs (Audi, Jag or Merc) on the road, apart from a few covered in disguise wrap here testing in January.

So far the Model 3 is the 4th most sold car sold in Switzerland this year behind the Golf, Tiguan and Octavia.

[So]

OP said:

The main warranty on the car runs out at 50K/4 years

Am I reading that correctly? It only has 50k miles warranty?

[Heres Johnny]

So said:

OP said:

The main warranty on the car runs out at 50K/4 years

Am I reading that correctly? It only has 50k miles warranty?

Yes and no

Battery and Motors are 8 years and unlimited mileage/125k on M3 (I think thats correct for the M3)

The rest of the car, door handles etc are 4 years 50k miles

The battery warranty is a bit of an issue at the moment regarding whats acceptable degradation but thats a side point.

[So]

Heres Johnny said:

So said:

OP said:

The main warranty on the car runs out at 50K/4 years

Am I reading that correctly? It only has 50k miles warranty?

Yes and no

Battery and Motors are 8 years and unlimited mileage/125k on M3 (I think thats correct for the M3)

The rest of the car, door handles etc are 4 years 50k miles

The battery warranty is a bit of an issue at the moment regarding whats acceptable degradation but thats a side point.

That's a bit poor and I read into it that the manufacturer doesn't believe in the longevity of its product.

[Heres Johnny]

So said:

Heres Johnny said:

So said:

OP said:

The main warranty on the car runs out at 50K/4 years

Am I reading that correctly? It only has 50k miles warranty?

Yes and no

Battery and Motors are 8 years and unlimited mileage/125k on M3 (I think thats correct for the M3)

The rest of the car, door handles etc are 4 years 50k miles

The battery warranty is a bit of an issue at the moment regarding whats acceptable degradation but thats a side point.

That's a bit poor and I read into it that the manufacturer doesn't believe in the longevity of its product.

Mileage is lower, but years are longer than most of the germans so they've given with one hand and taken with the oither, and anything less than an 8 year battery warranty and I don't think any EV manufacturer would sell a car.

I do agree there's an issue with the "there's only 10 moving parts and nothing to go wrong" message and then not backing that up with the warranty - actions speak louder than words.

[anonymous-user]

Heres Johnny said:

So said:

Heres Johnny said:

So said:

OP said:

The main warranty on the car runs out at 50K/4 years

Am I reading that correctly? It only has 50k miles warranty?

Yes and no

Battery and Motors are 8 years and unlimited mileage/125k on M3 (I think thats correct for the M3)

The rest of the car, door handles etc are 4 years 50k miles

The battery warranty is a bit of an issue at the moment regarding whats acceptable degradation but thats a side point.

That's a bit poor and I read into it that the manufacturer doesn't believe in the longevity of its product.

Mileage is lower, but years are longer than most of the germans so they've given with one hand and taken with the oither, and anything less than an 8 year battery warranty and I don't think any EV manufacturer would sell a car.

I do agree there's an issue with the "there's only 10 moving parts and nothing to go wrong" message and then not backing that up with the warranty - actions speak louder than words.

What’s the bodywork warranty, re corrosion etc?

[gangzoom]

So said:

That's a bit poor and I read into it that the manufacturer doesn't believe in the longevity of its product.

4 years/50K is on par with pretty much every single other 'premium brand'. A brand new Audi is 2 years/unlimited miles, which means our car would be out of warranty already, where as with Tesla I have upto another 2 years is I can reduce the miles covered.

Given the 'average' UK car only covers 8k miles per year most people shouldn't hit the 50k miles limit Tesla offer.

[gangzoom]

REALIST123 said:

What’s the bodywork warranty, re corrosion etc?

No idea, not thought about it.

Our Lexus has a 12 year warranty for corrosion, however some one tried to get Lexus to act on it due to corrosion on an mounting bracket in the engine bay (yes even Lexus have build problems!!) and Lexus headquarters in Japan have essentially found a get out clause so have refused to cover the work needed to correct the part.

The car in question is less than 5 years old.

Personally I don't trust any car manufacturer to back up their products once the main warranty is over. Plenty of stories on the web on how Kia/Vauxhall can/have got out of covering parts that fail despite their 7 year/life time warranty selling points.

[gangzoom]

From the Tesla website,
The Tesla Parts, Body & Paint Repair Limited Warranty begins on the purchase date of the part(s), and coverage extends for a period of 12 months. Specific categories of parts have unique warranty coverage periods:

1. Sheet metal: Limited lifetime
2. Drive Unit: 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes firstVehicle #High Voltage Battery: 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first
3. Wall Connectors: 4 years
4. Touchscreen and microcontroller unit: 4 years

Looks like the body work is for life, but interestingly the MCU is only 4 years? So even extended warranty might not cover it. Will check before I buy the extended warranty, but if the MCU isn't covered pretty worthless and no point in extending the warranty.

No very clear if they are talking about replacment parts rather than new car builds.

tps://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/vehicle-warranty

Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 4th September 10:19

[gangzoom]

Heres Johnny said:

I do agree there's an issue with the "there's only 10 moving parts and nothing to go wrong" message and then not backing that up with the warranty - actions speak louder than words.

But a 'new' motor is covered for 8 years and unlimited miles. What combustion can manufacture offer the same type of cover.

The rest of the X has far more moving parts than any other car but actually the lack of any real horror stories about the doors from even people who have done 300k+ in these cars suggests they are way over engineered.

I have more worries about the air suspension, but theres not much you can do about them. Maybe someone will offer an coil replacement set when the cars get old enough.

The fact extended warranties are even been mentioned shows Tesla just aren't Lexus when it comes to reliability, but any BMW owner will feel at home will all the extended warranty discussions.

Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 4th September 10:21

[Kewy]

Worst 'I own a Lexus' thread ever.

[xjay1337]

gangzoom said:

But a 'new' motor is covered for 8 years and unlimited miles. What combustion can manufacture offer the same type of cover.

I still think it's a cop out.
electric motors are less complex than combustion engines.

However all Kia models are covered by a seven-year/100,000-mile warranty.
Ssayongong of all companies have a 5 yr unlimited miles warranty. Even for taxis / commercial vehicles that's very good.

Many other companies also have a 5 yr warranty and Vauxhall still have their lifetime one.

So for "new" motors they offer 8 years but if you buy a new car you only get 4?

[Heres Johnny]

Didn’t Vauxhall have a lifetime warranty for the first owner at one point?

The cut and paste Gang has posted suigests motors and high voltage battery are now 4 years 50k if I’m reading it right. Not good if true - where’s that taken from?

[Evanivitch]

Heres Johnny said:

Didn’t Vauxhall have a lifetime warranty for the first owner at one point?

The cut and paste Gang has posted suigests motors and high voltage battery are now 4 years 50k if I’m reading it right. Not good if true - where’s that taken from?

Vauxhall had a lifetime warranty for first owner, but didn't include the Voltec EV system on the Ampera limited to 8yrs/100,000 miles.

[gangzoom]

Kewy said:

Worst 'I own a Lexus' thread ever.

I really wish I could say we to people own 'Lexi'....but sadly Lexus don't do EVs .

May be should be Lexuses?? Ah-ha .

[gangzoom]

xjay1337 said:

Many other companies also have a 5 yr warranty and Vauxhall still have their lifetime one.

Can you name manufactures with much better warranties in the same pricing maket Tesla is in? £40k-100k cars?