Model X after 2 years and 28k.
Discussion
xjay1337 said:
Witchfinder said:
xjay1337 said:
I've checked using the Kona and it would make it, but I don't want or need a larger SUV type vehicle...
The Kona really isn't a large SUV, it's more of a jacked-up hatchback. It's certainly no bigger than a Golf or Focus.gangzoom said:
xjay1337 said:
Many other companies also have a 5 yr warranty and Vauxhall still have their lifetime one.
Can you name manufactures with much better warranties in the same pricing maket Tesla is in? £40k-100k cars?I change my cars at 4 years normally, my wife’s we keep a bit longer. In the past 12/14 years we’ve had a Porsche, a VW, 3 BMW, a Merc and a Jaguar.
The SLK is coming up to 5 years but very low mileage. We’d like to go EV but there’s just nothing that suits us yet; it’s really my wife’s car and she wouldn’t look at a city car and I wouldn’t buy a Tesla under the current regime. Jaguar, Audi, Porsche too expensive, maybe the Polestar will suit but we won’t buy a car without test driving so quite a wait yet, it seems.
I’ve never bothered with extended warranties and never had a problem except for a Z4 that had a £2000 bill at 6.5 yo; BMW paid 75% of that.
Extended warranties are anathema to me. Buy the right car, look after it and don’t hang on to it for ever and EWs shouldn’t be necessary. If someone’s asking for £850 for the 4th year warranty you’ve likely bought the wrong car for that attitude, though.
Tesla pushed out a software update today that let me change the incar graphics to also show 22inch wheels instead of 20s, so the dash graphic now looks like the car in real life, small things make me happy. If this was Taycan, Porsche probably would have sent me a £200 bill for the same feature 
Also some reports Tesla are getting ready for AP 2/2.5 CPU upgrades to AP 3 CPUs, so hopefully the car will be brought back uptodate on the AP front.
Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.
Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.
Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not
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Also some reports Tesla are getting ready for AP 2/2.5 CPU upgrades to AP 3 CPUs, so hopefully the car will be brought back uptodate on the AP front.
Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.
Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.
Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not
.Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 7th September 06:02
We get a update to change a picture when in other news:
Owners of MS cars are having to engage laywers because Tesla point blank refuse to accept a complaint and will only acknowledge it if its from a law firm. This is to do with batterygate where large portins of capacity are being removed by software updates.
The above is believed to be linked to a recept report that showed Tesla were 3x more likely to spontaneously catch fire compared to the equivalent ICE cars.
More failed deliveries after people have been told in the morning their car was ready for collection, travelled over 2 hours to be told on arrival the car is not there (see Musks tweets, he's said he'll look into it, but this is the 3rd one I've heard in the last week)
The safety body in the States has determined that Tesla were at fault for not doing enough to ensure drivers paid attention when driving (the second time they have formally made this complaint) which resulted in a car accident with a fire engine (I mean, how can a driver or the car miss a fireengine parked in the middle of the road with the lights on dealing with an accident... and the car just drives into it luckily not killing anyone).. Incidently the BMW/Mobileye equivalent system monitors the drivers face and if they look away for too long it intervenes rather than just relying on an easily defeated torque on the steering wheel. Its easy to see this is heading for the refusal to approve any more AP and FSD features until they sort this out and will be a further cause for FSD to be prevented in Europe.
Am I the only one that thinks trinckets like changing the wheels on the display are much much less important that service centre availability, delivering cars to people who have paid 50k and ensuring the systems don't catch fire or cause a crash??
Owners of MS cars are having to engage laywers because Tesla point blank refuse to accept a complaint and will only acknowledge it if its from a law firm. This is to do with batterygate where large portins of capacity are being removed by software updates.
The above is believed to be linked to a recept report that showed Tesla were 3x more likely to spontaneously catch fire compared to the equivalent ICE cars.
More failed deliveries after people have been told in the morning their car was ready for collection, travelled over 2 hours to be told on arrival the car is not there (see Musks tweets, he's said he'll look into it, but this is the 3rd one I've heard in the last week)
The safety body in the States has determined that Tesla were at fault for not doing enough to ensure drivers paid attention when driving (the second time they have formally made this complaint) which resulted in a car accident with a fire engine (I mean, how can a driver or the car miss a fireengine parked in the middle of the road with the lights on dealing with an accident... and the car just drives into it luckily not killing anyone).. Incidently the BMW/Mobileye equivalent system monitors the drivers face and if they look away for too long it intervenes rather than just relying on an easily defeated torque on the steering wheel. Its easy to see this is heading for the refusal to approve any more AP and FSD features until they sort this out and will be a further cause for FSD to be prevented in Europe.
Am I the only one that thinks trinckets like changing the wheels on the display are much much less important that service centre availability, delivering cars to people who have paid 50k and ensuring the systems don't catch fire or cause a crash??
RobDickinson said:
That driver was eating breakfast lol stupid will be stupid. Could just as easily have been using any of the main cruise control systems.
I've yet to see the ceo of BMW or Mercedes get involved in any customer stuff up, and I'm sure they happen more than 3 times..
Rob - your unwavering blindness to all things Musk is to be admired but there is a deep pychological issue with self driving capabilities below level 4 and retaining driver attention which is obligatory as these systems are just aidsI've yet to see the ceo of BMW or Mercedes get involved in any customer stuff up, and I'm sure they happen more than 3 times..
It is incumbent upon the designers of these systems not to guard against blatant abuse but to deal with the false sense of security, and when you finally get your car you will realise just how false it can be at times, these systems can give.
Do you want to dismiss the 3x fire issue as well? Are they all caused by arson by Tesla haters? And the battery issue is no issue because Tesla are battery gods and its still all beta and we should accept any old rubbish?
Heres Johnny said:
Am I the only one that thinks trinckets like changing the wheels on the display are much much less important that service centre availability, delivering cars to people who have paid 50k and ensuring the systems don't catch fire or cause a crash??
Am still perplexed why you still own a Tesla?Surely given your views on the company the last thing you want is own one of their products or have shares??
I'm very happy with the service I've had for from Tesla, its far better than from a Sytner BMW dealer. One of the reasons why I would hesitate to buy another BMW is the awful main dealer experience, for me Tesla hasn't been any where as patronising or useless.
Clearly others have had a different experience, but I can only speak from my own.
gangzoom said:
Heres Johnny said:
Am I the only one that thinks trinckets like changing the wheels on the display are much much less important that service centre availability, delivering cars to people who have paid 50k and ensuring the systems don't catch fire or cause a crash??
Am still perplexed why you still own a Tesla?Surely given your views on the company the last thing you want is own one of their products or have shares??
I'm very happy with the service I've had for from Tesla, its far better than from a Sytner BMW dealer. One of the reasons why I would hesitate to buy another BMW is the awful main dealer experience, for me Tesla hasn't been any where as patronising or useless.
Clearly others have had a different experience, but I can only speak from my own.
But I will be off when the rewards come in and hopefully before they take 15kwh off my battery range like they've done to the 85 owners. The battery issue could bankrupt Tesla if they get forced to replace the batteries, and there's a number of legal filngs happening on that as its outrageous behaviour from a company, right up there with the VW emmissions scandal.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Saturday 7th September 10:15
Heres Johnny said:
But I will be off when the rewards come in ]
Am sure not sure I would let money/referrals get in the way of putting up with something I hated so much. The referrals isn't even real money, and £20K deprecation is surely pretty good given how long you've had the car, most similar cars of the same value would have lost just as much if not more?If your waiting for a referral PowerWall did you not get the options to turn that into 'Tesla credit'? Though not sure how you would actually turn that into real money without buying another Tesla.
Enjoy what ever car you get next, and I hope it doesn't bring as agro as your Tesla, but we are very happy with our ownership experience. If it wasn't for house renovations we'll happily have a Model 3 now for my wife. Tesla isn't perfect but no worse than any other car manufacture.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 7th September 11:20
Also some reports Tesla are getting ready for AP 2/2.5 CPU upgrades to AP 3 CPUs, so hopefully the car will be brought back uptodate on the AP front.
Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.
Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.
Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not
.Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 7th September 06:02
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That's good news if the AP3 upgrades are now being rolled out - but just went into my Model X homepage to see if the price is still under £3k and the site has changed, with the upgrade option gone...
We have done 34k in 2.5 years in the X and, aside from a few a few early issues that needed centre visits and we had a heater failure last year it's been fine.
Service centre experience has been way better than the traditional dealer experience although I'm fairly relaxed about it all, just drop it off at the Park Royal site and let them have it for as long as it's needed. Staff there are very welcoming, all true enthusiasts and they kept me updated on progress.
Was more than happy to replace our other car with a Model 3 last month.
kent_phil said:
Also some reports Tesla are getting ready for AP 2/2.5 CPU upgrades to AP 3 CPUs, so hopefully the car will be brought back uptodate on the AP front.
Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.
Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.
Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not.
That's good news if the AP3 upgrades are now being rolled out - but just went into my Model X homepage to see if the price is still under £3k and the site has changed, with the upgrade option gone...Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.
Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.
Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not
.Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 7th September 06:02
We have done 34k in 2.5 years in the X and, aside from a few a few early issues that needed centre visits and we had a heater failure last year it's been fine.
Service centre experience has been way better than the traditional dealer experience although I'm fairly relaxed about it all, just drop it off at the Park Royal site and let them have it for as long as it's needed. Staff there are very welcoming, all true enthusiasts and they kept me updated on progress.
Was more than happy to replace our other car with a Model 3 last month.
If you're not aware of the history then do some googling, lookng for "3 months probably, 6 months definitely" which was about as truthful as "funding secured".
gangzoom said:
Heres Johnny said:
But I will be off when the rewards come in ]
Am sure not sure I would let money/referrals get in the way of putting up with something I hated so much. The referrals isn't even real money, and £20K deprecation is surely pretty good given how long you've had the car, most similar cars of the same value would have lost just as much if not more?If your waiting for a referral PowerWall did you not get the options to turn that into 'Tesla credit'? Though not sure how you would actually turn that into real money without buying another Tesla.
Enjoy what ever car you get next, and I hope it doesn't bring as agro as your Tesla, but we are very happy with our ownership experience. If it wasn't for house renovations we'll happily have a Model 3 now for my wife. Tesla isn't perfect but no worse than any other car manufacture.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 7th September 11:20
For anyone reading this and thinking of buyng a Tesla, I've owned a Tesla since 2015, I've referred people to buy the cars, and Teslas idea of rewarding that loyalty is to not even respond to emails asking where my referral rewards are and they were earnt over a year ago, the first was 2 years ago, (excluding the ones I earnt 3 years ago and have given up on) . So how do you think they'll treat you as a buyer? Would anyone still recommend BMW if they were rewarded with the promise of a £4k set of alloys for providing the sales advice resulting in over £400k of sales, and then 2 years later still hadn't received them? Of course not... and this is typical Tesla.
Heres Johnny said:
Why? The car is ok for what it is as it currently works, its the company and people like yourself and Rob with your rose tinted glasses that I don't really want to be associated with. The referral rewards are a point of principal and I have set a date at which point they're getting a notice of court proceedings for failure to fulfil their obligations.
It does seem to me your Tesla ownership experience is very different from mine. I only bothered to take part in the referral process for 1 round in 2017, and all the promised stuff have been delivered, now including the PowerWall which is just waiting on WesternPower to OK the install.If I had the same experience as you I would probably feel the same, but as I keep on pointing out my own experience of Tesla has been good. Just like my experience with BMW was awful but many people will have had no issues.
If you have some kind of personal issue against me I cannot help that, its not my intention to annoy anyone so maybe just ignore my posts??
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 7th September 13:39
Heres Johnny said:
You should ignore every prediction, "getting ready", "coming soon" etc sound bite that comes from a fanboy or Tesla. Judge them on tangible outcomes.
If you're not aware of the history then do some googling, lookng for "3 months probably, 6 months definitely" which was about as truthful as "funding secured".
I'm firmly in the fanboy club - got the cars, done the factory tour and literally got the t-shirt - and I recognise I cut Tesla way more slack with issues than I would a legacy manufacturer. Personally I view this as the trials of a tech early adopter rather than just another car.If you're not aware of the history then do some googling, lookng for "3 months probably, 6 months definitely" which was about as truthful as "funding secured".
The referrals I treated as a completely unexpected nice gift and thank you. When they phoned me that the wheels were ready for collection I fully expected it to be just the rims, but they came with tyres as well. The PowerWall was similar, how much to install? Nothing, don't worry we will pay for that. In the end I took the credit against the Model 3 rather than the PowerWall though.
I agree the timing and communication were not great, but for something I wasn't expecting in the first place I don't mind.
gangzoom said:
Tesla pushed out a software update today that let me change the incar graphics to also show 22inch wheels instead of 20s, so the dash graphic now looks like the car in real life, small things make me happy. If this was Taycan, Porsche probably would have sent me a £200 bill for the same feature
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Also some reports Tesla are getting ready for AP 2/2.5 CPU upgrades to AP 3 CPUs, so hopefully the car will be brought back uptodate on the AP front.
Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.
Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.
Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not.
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Also some reports Tesla are getting ready for AP 2/2.5 CPU upgrades to AP 3 CPUs, so hopefully the car will be brought back uptodate on the AP front.
Had a chance to actually go for a nice drive down the back lanes yesterday without the toddler.....How people with 'P' versions don't write off their cars more often is beyond me.
Even 2.5 years and 38k on (counting the orignal X we had that was written off), this car just makes me smile everytime I drive it which is for me the most important thing a car has to do.
Incidentally pass a few Model 3s today, surprised me now 'normal' and small they look on UK roads. I can see why RangeRover drivers stick to their cars, once your use to the luxury of extra space its hard to down size, I'll most certainly be sticking to our X for a good while longer yet - regardless of extended warranty or not
.Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 7th September 06:02
I'm slightly afraid to ask why it says Kia on the Tesla screen with the update graphics? You can laugh if I am being really dumb though!
Although a little thing it is quite fun, and of course important updates can be done as well.
I don't have a Tesla and my updates tend to be from Microsoft for Windows 10, which is more worrying than nice
Although a little thing it is quite fun, and of course important updates can be done as well.
I don't have a Tesla and my updates tend to be from Microsoft for Windows 10, which is more worrying than nice
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Small things make me smile, always wanted a Kia - no idea why, but also cannot bring my self to actually buy a Kia, so next best thing is to name the Tesla 'Kia'. Yeaph makes no sense but thats us humans for you.
Software updates on the whole have really improved the infotainment system. There use to be a slight lag when changing menu screens, they have written in some kind of clever Cache so thats now gone.
Spotify use to crash alot 12 months ago, not had to reset it now for over 6 months now.
Web browser also now works OK for text/low graphic pages, useful for me as I read alot of text articles when sitting around in the car whilst my daughter sleeps.
Considering the infotainment hardware in our car is the same as in the 2013 cars am surprised how well it still functions with the updates. If you compare it to smartphone progress thats the equivalent of using a iPhone 5 today, which am not sure how many people still are.
It will be interesting how the older hardware handles the up and coming v10 software....
Small things make me smile, always wanted a Kia - no idea why, but also cannot bring my self to actually buy a Kia, so next best thing is to name the Tesla 'Kia'. Yeaph makes no sense but thats us humans for you
.Software updates on the whole have really improved the infotainment system. There use to be a slight lag when changing menu screens, they have written in some kind of clever Cache so thats now gone.
Spotify use to crash alot 12 months ago, not had to reset it now for over 6 months now.
Web browser also now works OK for text/low graphic pages, useful for me as I read alot of text articles when sitting around in the car whilst my daughter sleeps.
Considering the infotainment hardware in our car is the same as in the 2013 cars am surprised how well it still functions with the updates. If you compare it to smartphone progress thats the equivalent of using a iPhone 5 today, which am not sure how many people still are.
It will be interesting how the older hardware handles the up and coming v10 software....
Heres Johnny said:
But I will be off when the rewards come in and hopefully before they take 15kwh off my battery range like they've done to the 85 owners. The battery issue could bankrupt Tesla if they get forced to replace the batteries, and there's a number of legal filngs happening on that as its outrageous behaviour from a company, right up there with the VW emmissions scandal.
It could be interpreted by that statement that all 85 owners are affected. From what I have read a some owners are affected and some others are not, It is not at all clear to me what those numbers are. For instance I have not been affected and have received all of the latest SW updates which are believed to reduce the battery capacity for some owners. Gassing Station | Tesla | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff