Discussion
SWoll said:
A lot of online chatter that it's b
ks and down to Bjorn's testing methods rather than a change to the software.
sample size of one, test methodology has more holes than a hole with holes in a hole box covered with hole sauce ks and down to Bjorn's testing methods rather than a change to the software.so many many errors and assumptions, matching the charge rates based on the voltage lol I am sure the charger is fitted with lab quality monitoring precession and even then the % jumped all over the place
its as bad as Ancel Keys trying to make the data fit to show that eating fat is bad for you
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 16th October 13:04
Dave Hedgehog said:
SWoll said:
A lot of online chatter that it's bks and down to Bjorn's testing methods rather than a change to the software.
sample size of one, test methodology has more holes than a hole with holes in a hole box covered with hole sauce ks and down to Bjorn's testing methods rather than a change to the software.so many many errors and assumptions, matching the charge rates based on the voltage lol I am sure the charge is fitted with lab quality monitoring precession and even then the % jumped all over the place
Heres Johnny said:
Other than the fact that Tesla have been proven to do this on other battery packs so I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were true, I'd agree with you.
they may well nurfed some cars but it needs proper controlled testingthey really should allow owners to see the battery state
Dave Hedgehog said:
sample size of one, test methodology has more holes than a hole with holes in a hole box covered with hole sauce
so many many errors and assumptions, matching the charge rates based on the voltage lol I am sure the charger is fitted with lab quality monitoring precession and even then the % jumped all over the place
its as bad as Ancel Keys trying to make the data fit to show that eating fat is bad for you
You are being naive. Bjørn is an advocate of Tesla and he doesn't try and make his data fit a story - rather he reports what he finds. so many many errors and assumptions, matching the charge rates based on the voltage lol I am sure the charger is fitted with lab quality monitoring precession and even then the % jumped all over the place
its as bad as Ancel Keys trying to make the data fit to show that eating fat is bad for you
The tests he conducts are done in the real world rather than lab conditions, and more data would help, but his observations do look concerning, particularly as it appears Tesla also changed the wh/km efficiency figure at the same time - the suspicion is Tesla adjusted this figure to help mask the reduction in available battery capacity.
There has been a clear difference between Tesla and other manufacturers in terms of the amount of buffer space reserved in the battery pack - Tesla partially achieves their higher range figures by keeping the buffer size to the absolute minimum, whereas other companies are much more conservative.
My feeling is that Tesla are getting a lot more real-world battery health data reported back to them and they are trying to make these changes now surreptitiously to avoid potentially crippling battery warranty claims in the future.
Dave Hedgehog said:
i have the latest update, my battery has not changed
but i agree they should inform you what they are doing and why and give you the option to decline the change
they are being sued in merica for this on the model s
According to TeslaFi my battery has gone down by 1.57% over 2 months ownership and 1600 miles, and I am on the latest v10. but i agree they should inform you what they are doing and why and give you the option to decline the change
they are being sued in merica for this on the model s
OP drive one - I can't see myself ever going back to ICE again unless I win the lottery and buy multiple cars!
I sold my 440i for the Model 3, and also my TVR earlier this year and no regrets.
It's an app that uses the tesla api to connect to the car and give a load of additional information not available as standard.
$5 a month, however an alternative (Tezlab) is free I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAyL5oojE8
$5 a month, however an alternative (Tezlab) is free I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAyL5oojE8
garreth64 said:
According to TeslaFi my battery has gone down by 1.57% over 2 months ownership and 1600 miles, and I am on the latest v10.
1.54% here over 1200 miles and no obvious drop immediately after my V10 upgrade. Lots of people over-analyse their Teslas and Bjorn is no exception.I'm sure he doesn't mind all the additional views and clicks he's been getting because of that story...
Zcd1 said:
LotusJas said:
A lot of great things about Teslas, but they are terrible for reliability, and v poor for build quality...
That's a fairly uninformed comment, based, it appears on hearsay, and not reality."The Model 3 itself didn’t feature in the 2018 What Car? Reliability Survey, but Tesla as a brand came rock bottom."
https://www.whatcar.com/tesla/model-3/hatchback/re...
sausage76 said:
So had an interesting experience today.
Just where I work there was a electric car event. There was a line up of most models that are available to buy in the UK plus a couple that weren't.
So there was a selection of hybrids (I don't get the point as they can only do 20-40 miles max on their batteries. These where VW, BMW, Hyundai, Mercedes. Nothing exciting to see here.
Then we have full EV. A new merc that was alright, and the e-tron. Then an MG, and a real interesting Honda E, very nice lots of interesting features. A car I can't remember, not for sale in UK so no isssues and then a Model 3.
All i can say is wow I now want one for sure. I have never had time to sit in one and have a good mess with all the controls etc.
What really struck me was how the Tesla was so far ahead when compared to the others. All the others are just another Audi or Merc etc with batteries. But the tesla is just amazing with its central control screen, the fact the vents are hidden is amazing and just what a car should be like for me. The features the range the cost are way ahead of anything else that was there.
So I'm off to spec a model 3 and see how much money is in my piggy bank.
Good for you. Enjoy the Tesla.Just where I work there was a electric car event. There was a line up of most models that are available to buy in the UK plus a couple that weren't.
So there was a selection of hybrids (I don't get the point as they can only do 20-40 miles max on their batteries. These where VW, BMW, Hyundai, Mercedes. Nothing exciting to see here.
Then we have full EV. A new merc that was alright, and the e-tron. Then an MG, and a real interesting Honda E, very nice lots of interesting features. A car I can't remember, not for sale in UK so no isssues and then a Model 3.
All i can say is wow I now want one for sure. I have never had time to sit in one and have a good mess with all the controls etc.
What really struck me was how the Tesla was so far ahead when compared to the others. All the others are just another Audi or Merc etc with batteries. But the tesla is just amazing with its central control screen, the fact the vents are hidden is amazing and just what a car should be like for me. The features the range the cost are way ahead of anything else that was there.
So I'm off to spec a model 3 and see how much money is in my piggy bank.
85Carrera said:
Zcd1 said:
LotusJas said:
A lot of great things about Teslas, but they are terrible for reliability, and v poor for build quality...
That's a fairly uninformed comment, based, it appears on hearsay, and not reality."The Model 3 itself didn’t feature in the 2018 What Car? Reliability Survey, but Tesla as a brand came rock bottom."
https://www.whatcar.com/tesla/model-3/hatchback/re...
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliabi...
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliabi...
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