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Shuks76 said:
In my opinion this country will no longer be "amazing" after a socialist and divisive Labour government led by JC and JM have served a term in office. This country is fragile at the moment in both the economic and social sense right now and battering it with such an aggressive set of tax/borrow/spend policies will destroy it for generations to come. If JC had come out with a less aggressive set of policies I think he would have had more of a chance.
How about battering it with a disastrous Boris Brexit, selling off the NHS to the Americans and continuing to fail at all the things that matter - education, infrastructure, health, policing and the environment?That's your choice at this election. A proven failure and liar and all-round awful person, or let's say you are right a Marxist with bad policies but who at least gives a s
t.kuro68k said:
Come on, you know this is BS.
Anyway, the alternative is Boris, a habitual liar and bigot who only looks out for himself. If you want to talk about terrorism the stuff he says is what stirs up domestic terrorists.
Say what you like about Corbyn but you can't deny that he shows genuine concern for people, even if you disagree with his policies.
man!! Are you a returning poster at all since your rhetoric does sound awfully familiar (not to mention awful).Anyway, the alternative is Boris, a habitual liar and bigot who only looks out for himself. If you want to talk about terrorism the stuff he says is what stirs up domestic terrorists.
Say what you like about Corbyn but you can't deny that he shows genuine concern for people, even if you disagree with his policies.
I'll agree with your point that BoJo is a twunt - he's just lucky that there're a bunch of even bigger twunts in opposition. Jezzbollah corbyn, red mcdonnell, "chairman Mao was great" abbott, thick as mince rayner and the list goes on. Alternatively you've got "I'll ignore any Brexit vote I don't agree with" swineson, "I hate the English" Jimmy Crankie, "earth mother" Lucas and the Welsh idiots. At this point I'll happily take bojo (even if he's not fit to tie Maggie's shoelaces!)
irocfan said:
otolith said:
kuro68k said:
Remember when all the businesses were going to leave last time Labour got in?
The loons currently in control of the Labour Party consider that administration to have been "red Tories".For every stupid or racist UKIP and BF type post you'll see 10 posts vehemently berating "working class tories" or Tory voters in general.
irocfan said:
I'll agree with your point that BoJo is a twunt - he's just lucky that there're a bunch of even bigger twunts in opposition. Jezzbollah corbyn, red mcdonnell, "chairman Mao was great" abbott, thick as mince rayner and the list goes on. Alternatively you've got "I'll ignore any Brexit vote I don't agree with" swineson, "I hate the English" Jimmy Crankie, "earth mother" Lucas and the Welsh idiots. At this point I'll happily take bojo (even if he's not fit to tie Maggie's shoelaces!)
That's the best way I've seen lesser of all evils put. 
ChocolateFrog said:
irocfan said:
I'll agree with your point that BoJo is a twunt - he's just lucky that there're a bunch of even bigger twunts in opposition. Jezzbollah corbyn, red mcdonnell, "chairman Mao was great" abbott, thick as mince rayner and the list goes on. Alternatively you've got "I'll ignore any Brexit vote I don't agree with" swineson, "I hate the English" Jimmy Crankie, "earth mother" Lucas and the Welsh idiots. At this point I'll happily take bojo (even if he's not fit to tie Maggie's shoelaces!)
That's the best way I've seen lesser of all evils put. t show at the minute.. irocfan said:
man!! Are you a returning poster at all since your rhetoric does sound awfully familiar (not to mention awful).
I'll agree with your point that BoJo is a twunt - he's just lucky that there're a bunch of even bigger twunts in opposition. Jezzbollah corbyn, red mcdonnell, "chairman Mao was great" abbott, thick as mince rayner and the list goes on. Alternatively you've got "I'll ignore any Brexit vote I don't agree with" swineson, "I hate the English" Jimmy Crankie, "earth mother" Lucas and the Welsh idiots. At this point I'll happily take bojo (even if he's not fit to tie Maggie's shoelaces!)
What do you mean "returning poster?"I'll agree with your point that BoJo is a twunt - he's just lucky that there're a bunch of even bigger twunts in opposition. Jezzbollah corbyn, red mcdonnell, "chairman Mao was great" abbott, thick as mince rayner and the list goes on. Alternatively you've got "I'll ignore any Brexit vote I don't agree with" swineson, "I hate the English" Jimmy Crankie, "earth mother" Lucas and the Welsh idiots. At this point I'll happily take bojo (even if he's not fit to tie Maggie's shoelaces!)
Anyway, let me ask you something. You insinuate that Corbyn is too cosy with Hezbollah and other terrorists groups. What do you think he will actually do because of that when in government? I mean how will it negatively affect you?
Doesn't it seem odd to you that these ridiculous insults are the best the right wing media can come up with? Not criticisms of actual policies because they are quite popular. It's all just nonsense, where as you know for a fact that the Tories are b
ds and will fk you. They keep demonstrating it over and over again. You know all their election promises are worthless because they always break them. At least Labour make promises based on ideology, i.e. things they actually believe in doing rather than things they just say to make saps vote for them.You have hard evidence of what Boris is, against barely believable innuendo against all the others, the Lib Dems and Greens included. Who do you think is really bulls
tting you here?cc3 said:
SWoll said:
Yep. When my parents and in-laws share that view despite all being life long labour supporters it's pretty clear it's an absolute st show at the minute..
My parents switching for first time to Tory party they can’t vote Corbyn. t show at the minute.. kuro68k said:
What do you mean "returning poster?"
Anyway, let me ask you something. You insinuate that Corbyn is too cosy with Hezbollah and other terrorists groups. What do you think he will actually do because of that when in government? I mean how will it negatively affect you?
Doesn't it seem odd to you that these ridiculous insults are the best the right wing media can come up with? Not criticisms of actual policies because they are quite popular. It's all just nonsense, where as you know for a fact that the Tories are bds and will fk you. They keep demonstrating it over and over again. You know all their election promises are worthless because they always break them. At least Labour make promises based on ideology, i.e. things they actually believe in doing rather than things they just say to make saps vote for them.
You have hard evidence of what Boris is, against barely believable innuendo against all the others, the Lib Dems and Greens included. Who do you think is really bullstting you here?
Corbyn has an impeccable cv!! Friend of Hamas and Hizbollah Friend of the IRA. He voted against the Peace process ! Friend of every mad South America left wing dictator. Supporter of Russia in the Salisbury poisoning. Paid appearances on Iranian tv. Praised the work of anti semites. You can go on and on before you even go though the same process for Jm oh and Seumas Milne etc etc Anyway, let me ask you something. You insinuate that Corbyn is too cosy with Hezbollah and other terrorists groups. What do you think he will actually do because of that when in government? I mean how will it negatively affect you?
Doesn't it seem odd to you that these ridiculous insults are the best the right wing media can come up with? Not criticisms of actual policies because they are quite popular. It's all just nonsense, where as you know for a fact that the Tories are b
ds and will fk you. They keep demonstrating it over and over again. You know all their election promises are worthless because they always break them. At least Labour make promises based on ideology, i.e. things they actually believe in doing rather than things they just say to make saps vote for them.You have hard evidence of what Boris is, against barely believable innuendo against all the others, the Lib Dems and Greens included. Who do you think is really bulls
tting you here?kuro68k said:
What do you mean "returning poster?"
I'd have thought that that phrase was self-evident - but to make things easy for you. Several kuro68k said:
Anyway, let me ask you something. You insinuate that Corbyn is too cosy with Hezbollah and other terrorists groups. What do you think he will actually do because of that when in government? I mean how will it negatively affect you?
If it's all the same with you I'd really rather there wasn't a rancid anti-Semite (or a person not willing to forthrightly condemn antisemitism) in a position of power.kuro68k said:
Doesn't it seem odd to you that these ridiculous insults are the best the right wing media can come up with? Not criticisms of actual policies because they are quite popular. It's all just nonsense, where as you know for a fact that the Tories are bds and will fk you. They keep demonstrating it over and over again. You know all their election promises are worthless because they always break them. At least Labour make promises based on ideology, i.e. things they actually believe in doing rather than things they just say to make saps vote for them.
You have hard evidence of what Boris is, against barely believable innuendo against all the others, the Lib Dems and Greens included. Who do you think is really bullstting you here?
Ridiculous insults?ds and will fk you. They keep demonstrating it over and over again. You know all their election promises are worthless because they always break them. At least Labour make promises based on ideology, i.e. things they actually believe in doing rather than things they just say to make saps vote for them.You have hard evidence of what Boris is, against barely believable innuendo against all the others, the Lib Dems and Greens included. Who do you think is really bulls
tting you here?- I actually heard swineson state that in the event of a second referendum returning a leave majority she'd ignore it. At least she's honest in her illiberalism I guess
- laying wreaths at the tombs of terrorists? Calling hezbollah and Hamas 'friends'. Inviting the IRA to the HoC - funny how he doesn't extend the same levels of welcome to the other sides... all in the name of 'all violence is bad'.
- labour make promises based on ideology.... so did the nazis . Doesn't mean it's a good thing.
- jimmy crankie lambastes us for voting leave (idiotic decision etc etc) but it more than willing to break-up the longest standing (possibly) treaty/alliance in the world
I'll happily say that my mind is closed to these clowns and, quite frankly, I cannot see anything that would make me vote for them. I guess that that means come 13th Dec I'll either be awaiting a knock on the door or breathing a sigh of relief that the loons have been ignored
Why don't people see this...
Corbyn will make huge progress, we will see huge numbers of extra police, NHS funding, social housing, waiting times fall, more employment rights, we will see equality forcibly improved & the rich taxed, big companies woop be held up against the wall & taxes hard...
......But then the debts will need paying & cracks will start to show. 5-10 years will see austerity like we've never seen it, but now it will be 10x harder to implement as the unions will be armed to the teeth, the government on its knees and faith in the UK economy lower then its ever been, big companies will have jumped ship. The top 1% will be long gone, be it through moving abroad or off the scale tax avoidance & hiding. We'll be in a typical "post peak" socialist situation: Venezuela?
Its like your household finances, your family will worship you if you quadruple your spending to make them happy now. ... But then what? Your hours at work get cut, your car brakes down and the overdue bills start to flood in. Suddenly you're in a world of trouble, family forget everything you got them as it gets taken away from them...and everyone is in a worse situation then before, for longer.
Every debt needs paying, every balence sheet needs settling, everything in moderation. Why do labour/corbyn supporters not see this!?
Edited by Andeh1 on Monday 25th November 16:51
ChocolateFrog said:
This is what I don't understand. You hear constantly from the left about how evil the Conservatives and Tories are but the vast majority of actual hate you see is from the left.
For every stupid or racist UKIP and BF type post you'll see 10 posts vehemently berating "working class tories" or Tory voters in general.
Yet if someone is left leaning then Lefty is used as a term of derision. For every stupid or racist UKIP and BF type post you'll see 10 posts vehemently berating "working class tories" or Tory voters in general.
Historically my leaning was left, as I don't like the way the Conservatives have treated the vulnerable (seeing first hand, have a brother with CP, and an adopted Downs sister)
In fairness TM did improve DC's dreadful performance in this area - DC should be ashamed having had a disabled son. One example, under rules DC bought in my mother had to fill in a 32 page document EVERY 6 months for Beckys DLA (IIRC what it was called at the time) like she'd just woke up one morning, Downs free.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Monday 25th November 17:06
SamR380 said:
Facebook make tens of billions of dollars in profit, some of which is generated in the UK. Unless your [sic] financially incompetent you'd know that's a lot of profit.
I'm glad to hear your mum got to see a specialist quickly. I hope neither of you need to use A&E any time soon.
Facebook and others get around paying big tax bills by listing their European HQ’s in Luxembourg or other low tax areas.I'm glad to hear your mum got to see a specialist quickly. I hope neither of you need to use A&E any time soon.
How can Labour stop them doing that?
kuro68k said:
Anyway, let me ask you something. You insinuate that Corbyn is too cosy with Hezbollah and other terrorists groups. What do you think he will actually do because of that when in government? I mean how will it negatively affect you?
Are you suggesting that he should not speak out because he is not a Jew?Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Yet if someone is left leaning then Lefty is used as a term of derision.
you do make a fair point there. I think, however, that 'lefty' used in derision is applied to particular posters rather than those on the left as a whole. I'd venture to suggest (though cannot be certain) you wouldn't be derided as a 'lefty' since (as far as I can remember) you don't make preachy leftist posts (in fairness there are others similar). There are no issues with people who believe in a different path (thankfully since that's the best part of my family and one of my best friends)kuro68k said:
What do you mean "returning poster?"
Anyway, let me ask you something. You insinuate that Corbyn is too cosy with Hezbollah and other terrorists groups. What do you think he will actually do because of that when in government? I mean how will it negatively affect you?
Doesn't it seem odd to you that these ridiculous insults are the best the right wing media can come up with? Not criticisms of actual policies because they are quite popular. It's all just nonsense, where as you know for a fact that the Tories are bds and will fk you. They keep demonstrating it over and over again. You know all their election promises are worthless because they always break them. At least Labour make promises based on ideology, i.e. things they actually believe in doing rather than things they just say to make saps vote for them.
You have hard evidence of what Boris is, against barely believable innuendo against all the others, the Lib Dems and Greens included. Who do you think is really bullstting you here?
Corbyn/McDonnell ideology has been tried and tested before. Both in the UK and other countries over decades and decades. Anyway, let me ask you something. You insinuate that Corbyn is too cosy with Hezbollah and other terrorists groups. What do you think he will actually do because of that when in government? I mean how will it negatively affect you?
Doesn't it seem odd to you that these ridiculous insults are the best the right wing media can come up with? Not criticisms of actual policies because they are quite popular. It's all just nonsense, where as you know for a fact that the Tories are b
ds and will fk you. They keep demonstrating it over and over again. You know all their election promises are worthless because they always break them. At least Labour make promises based on ideology, i.e. things they actually believe in doing rather than things they just say to make saps vote for them.You have hard evidence of what Boris is, against barely believable innuendo against all the others, the Lib Dems and Greens included. Who do you think is really bulls
tting you here?It has always failed. Utterly. It has ruined and still ruins countries and economies.
How will his anti-Semitism negatively affect us? By encouraging racism and extremism in all forms, which will create widespread resentment and discontent, especially once the economy crumbles.
cc3 said:
Corbyn has an impeccable cv!! Friend of Hamas and Hizbollah Friend of the IRA. He voted against the Peace process ! Friend of every mad South America left wing dictator. Supporter of Russia in the Salisbury poisoning. Paid appearances on Iranian tv. Praised the work of anti semites. You can go on and on before you even go though the same process for Jm oh and Seumas Milne etc etc
You know, if you spent 5 seconds googling this the very first result debunks it: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...Note how Thatcher's government was also talking to Sinn Fein/the IRA at the same time.
Note how the Tory leader, Boris Johnson, is openly racist and xenophobic and totally unapologetic for it. He was given multiple chances to retract his comments or apologise during the Leaders Debate and didn't. At least Corbyn is honest about his position and sticks to it.
irocfan said:
If it's all the same with you I'd really rather there wasn't a rancid anti-Semite (or a person not willing to forthrightly condemn antisemitism) in a position of power.
You would prefer a bigot like Boris instead? A guy who hates Muslims and refuses to have an enquiry into the Islamophobia in his own party, or to condemn those who engage in it? A guy who repeatedly uses racist language and then refuses to even discuss it?At least Corbyn directly condemns antisemitism every time anyone asks him about it. Boris can't even admit he has a problem.
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