Labour to nationalise Tesla Superchargers
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REALIST123 said:
Corbyn/McDonnell ideology has been tried and tested before. Both in the UK and other countries over decades and decades.
It has always failed. Utterly. It has ruined and still ruins countries and economies.
What about the Nordic Model, which is successful and has resulted in the highest standards of living in the world? Higher taxes, strong public services and public ownership of critical infrastructure. All working really, really well and only a few hours flight away if you want to go see it for yourself.It has always failed. Utterly. It has ruined and still ruins countries and economies.
Even Nigel Farage was a big supporter of the "Norway Option" a few years ago. He's changed his tune since but back then he thought it was the ideal model for the UK to copy, as did many Tories.
kuro68k said:
You would prefer a bigot like Boris instead? A guy who hates Muslims and refuses to have an enquiry into the Islamophobia in his own party, or to condemn those who engage in it? A guy who repeatedly uses racist language and then refuses to even discuss it?
At least Corbyn directly condemns antisemitism every time anyone asks him about it. Boris can't even admit he has a problem.
as terrible as bojo is he is infinity better than the ass hat corbynAt least Corbyn directly condemns antisemitism every time anyone asks him about it. Boris can't even admit he has a problem.
bad company said:
Lies.
Bedroom tax was 2012, under the Tory/Lib Dem coalition.
Homes were built under Labour: https://fullfact.org/economy/council-houses-labour...
The mine closures were mostly under Thatcher in the 80s. She was famous for it, it became her signature policy.
Didn't read the Lisbon Treaty? What kind of BS is this?
Zero Hour Contracts were an invention of the private sector and only became common after 2010.
It's true that they did start tuition fees at £1000/year. Back then if you took the full Student Loan to cover accommodation etc. as well you would end up with around £10k of debt after a 3 year course, compared to £50+k today.
kuro68k said:
cc3 said:
Corbyn has an impeccable cv!! Friend of Hamas and Hizbollah Friend of the IRA. He voted against the Peace process ! Friend of every mad South America left wing dictator. Supporter of Russia in the Salisbury poisoning. Paid appearances on Iranian tv. Praised the work of anti semites. You can go on and on before you even go though the same process for Jm oh and Seumas Milne etc etc
You know, if you spent 5 seconds googling this the very first result debunks it: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...Note how Thatcher's government was also talking to Sinn Fein/the IRA at the same time.
Note how the Tory leader, Boris Johnson, is openly racist and xenophobic and totally unapologetic for it. He was given multiple chances to retract his comments or apologise during the Leaders Debate and didn't. At least Corbyn is honest about his position and sticks to it.
Not saying I agree with him but the basis of your argument looks flawed?
kuro68k said:
bad company said:
Lies.Bedroom tax was 2012, under the Tory/Lib Dem coalition.
Homes were built under Labour: https://fullfact.org/economy/council-houses-labour...
The mine closures were mostly under Thatcher in the 80s. She was famous for it, it became her signature policy.
Didn't read the Lisbon Treaty? What kind of BS is this?
Zero Hour Contracts were an invention of the private sector and only became common after 2010.
It's true that they did start tuition fees at £1000/year. Back then if you took the full Student Loan to cover accommodation etc. as well you would end up with around £10k of debt after a 3 year course, compared to £50+k today.
kuro68k said:
What about the Nordic Model, which is successful and has resulted in the highest standards of living in the world? Higher taxes, strong public services and public ownership of critical infrastructure. All working really, really well and only a few hours flight away if you want to go see it for yourself.
Even Nigel Farage was a big supporter of the "Norway Option" a few years ago. He's changed his tune since but back then he thought it was the ideal model for the UK to copy, as did many Tories.
Most people don’t believe a word Corbyn says on anything. He’s weak and takes no action just dithers and delays on everything. Even Nigel Farage was a big supporter of the "Norway Option" a few years ago. He's changed his tune since but back then he thought it was the ideal model for the UK to copy, as did many Tories.
otolith said:
Corbyn has always sided against "western imperialism". There is a difference between having covert discussions with the enemy as a government, and as a sympathiser.
Most of the British public is against western imperialism. Remember how unpopular the Iraq war was? And how much opposition there was to getting involved in Syria? Even the foreign aid budget is under attack.So I guess in your mind that means most British people are sympathisers too, because that's some reasonable logic.
SWoll said:
I'd say even based on your own summary above the only one who is honest about his views and sticks to it is Boris? As you say he made some comments and has refused to apologise for them?
Not saying I agree with him but the basis of your argument looks flawed?
He isn't honest about it though, he flip flops between denying he ever said it, claiming it was taken out of context and admitting it but refusing to accept that it was wrong and worthy of an apology.Not saying I agree with him but the basis of your argument looks flawed?
He doesn't even bother to keep his lies straight.
kuro68k said:
REALIST123 said:
Corbyn/McDonnell ideology has been tried and tested before. Both in the UK and other countries over decades and decades.
It has always failed. Utterly. It has ruined and still ruins countries and economies.
What about the Nordic Model, which is successful and has resulted in the highest standards of living in the world? Higher taxes, strong public services and public ownership of critical infrastructure. All working really, really well and only a few hours flight away if you want to go see it for yourself.It has always failed. Utterly. It has ruined and still ruins countries and economies.
Even Nigel Farage was a big supporter of the "Norway Option" a few years ago. He's changed his tune since but back then he thought it was the ideal model for the UK to copy, as did many Tories.
Not exactly apples for apples is it ?
kuro68k said:
1 - The mine closures were mostly under Thatcher in the 80s. She was famous for it, it became her signature policy.
2 - Zero Hour Contracts were an invention of the private sector and only became common after 2010.
3 - It's true that they did start tuition fees at £1000/year. Back then if you took the full Student Loan to cover accommodation etc. as well you would end up with around £10k of debt after a 3 year course, compared to £50+k today.
1 - this alone should disbar you from this discussion. The Labour government closed more mines than the Sainted Mrs T ever did2 - Zero Hour Contracts were an invention of the private sector and only became common after 2010.
3 - It's true that they did start tuition fees at £1000/year. Back then if you took the full Student Loan to cover accommodation etc. as well you would end up with around £10k of debt after a 3 year course, compared to £50+k today.
2 - regardless of which way you try to spin it you agree that ZHC came under a Labour government
3 - if that idiot blair had not insisted on trying to get 50% of all school leavers into uni we'd not have this discussion. Uni should be for the brightest 10/15% and within that free.
kuro68k said:
otolith said:
Corbyn has always sided against "western imperialism". There is a difference between having covert discussions with the enemy as a government, and as a sympathiser.
Most of the British public is against western imperialism. Remember how unpopular the Iraq war was? And how much opposition there was to getting involved in Syria? Even the foreign aid budget is under attack.So I guess in your mind that means most British people are sympathisers too, because that's some reasonable logic.
irocfan said:
1 - this alone should disbar you from this discussion. The Labour government closed more mines than the Sainted Mrs T ever did
The Labour Government didn't close any. It wasn't their policy. They closed because mining was no longer viable for them.Thatcher had a deliberate policy of destroying the mining industry.
bad company said:
Wasn’t it a Labour government that took us into that war?
Yes. Corbyn voted against it.He's always at least stuck to his principals, unlike Boris who changes his mind when it suits his career prospects. Like the infamous two articles he wrote for brexit. Remember the champion of brexit almost supported remain.
Johnson is unfit to lead. He has demonstrated that already.
kuro68k said:
irocfan said:
1 - this alone should disbar you from this discussion. The Labour government closed more mines than the Sainted Mrs T ever did
The Labour Government didn't close any. It wasn't their policy. They closed because mining was no longer viable for them.Thatcher had a deliberate policy of destroying the mining industry.
kuro68k said:
Yes. Corbyn voted against it.
He's always at least stuck to his principals, unlike Boris who changes his mind when it suits his career prospects. Like the infamous two articles he wrote for brexit. Remember the champion of brexit almost supported remain.
Johnson is unfit to lead. He has demonstrated that already.
I know I said I was not going to say anything on this subject anymore, but when I read this I felt the need to point out that Corbyn has spent his whole political life trying to vote down EU legislation and was a true Bennite - always against the EU and what it stood for. He becomes Labour leader and all of a sudden doesn't seem to know what he wants anymore. How is that sticking to your principles? I call it cowardice. This is why Labour voters in Leave areas cannot trust the man anymore (leaving aside the weak response to Anti-semitism which is plain to see). He's always at least stuck to his principals, unlike Boris who changes his mind when it suits his career prospects. Like the infamous two articles he wrote for brexit. Remember the champion of brexit almost supported remain.
Johnson is unfit to lead. He has demonstrated that already.
Boris was already a known Eurosceptic during his time as a journalist in Brussels. When it came to the Leave vote in the UK, he did what most people would do..write down the pros and cons and make a final choice. Since then, he not only helped win the Leave vote but now trying to get it done so democracy in this country does not get flushed down the toilet.
How did this get redirected to what the chief rabbi said? Do the british people take orders from a minority group now. Even the retired oil executive bishop of canterbury has chipped in.
Apparently welby has jewish family origins so maybe it all makes sense.
Its like the far fetched conspiracy theories are true lol.
Anyway if the wise corbyn thinks some sort of state funding of charging infrastructure is required it sort of makes sense as it will get a charging map everywhere rather than just choice spots that a greedy private sector deem will make them the best profit.
We need to stop viewing everything as what a few individuals groups can get out of it.
Apparently welby has jewish family origins so maybe it all makes sense.
Its like the far fetched conspiracy theories are true lol.
Anyway if the wise corbyn thinks some sort of state funding of charging infrastructure is required it sort of makes sense as it will get a charging map everywhere rather than just choice spots that a greedy private sector deem will make them the best profit.
We need to stop viewing everything as what a few individuals groups can get out of it.
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