Labour to nationalise Tesla Superchargers
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DonkeyApple said:
And likewise there will always be an equal number of people who will vote for free money etc
Yes but the Tory's free money is from a magic money tree, and has a nasty habit of evaporating after the election.At least with Labour you know they will actually do it because it's their ideology, where as with the Tories you know they will screw you and help themselves because that's their core philosophy.
kuro68k said:
Yes but the Tory's free money is from a magic money tree, and has a nasty habit of evaporating after the election.
At least with Labour you know they will actually do it because it's their ideology, where as with the Tories you know they will screw you and help themselves because that's their core philosophy.
Labour manifesto the maddest I have ever seen. Everything is free! A complete con trick. Money Forest is quite appropriate! Making it sound as if big corps will pay for all the freebies. Just overlooks the simple fact all these big companies will do is Jack up their prices so we will all pay massively more for fuel etc etc. Or they will just move their tax base to another jurisdiction leaving an even bigger hole in the deficit. Still at least we will have Diane Abbott in charge of the Home Office so we can all sleep safely at night !At least with Labour you know they will actually do it because it's their ideology, where as with the Tories you know they will screw you and help themselves because that's their core philosophy.
cc3 said:
Labour manifesto the maddest I have ever seen. Everything is free! A complete con trick. Money Forest is quite appropriate! Making it sound as if big corps will pay for all the freebies. Just overlooks the simple fact all these big companies will do is Jack up their prices so we will all pay massively more for fuel etc etc. Or they will just move their tax base to another jurisdiction leaving an even bigger hole in the deficit. Still at least we will have Diane Abbott in charge of the Home Office so we can all sleep safely at night !
Indeed - hammer the shareholders! That'll be the shareholders which are our pension funds? Way to go there - nearly as good as fat, useless gimpy McOne-eye raping our pension funds 15ish years ago1. Best thread in ages.
2. Corbyn = inflationary spending = rising interest rates = rising mortgage rates = people losing their homes after their lovely 2% mortgage rates expire = everyone suffers (even those on <£80k).
3. Corp tax increase = companies closing + job losses.
4. Corp tax increase + anti-business sentiment = inward investment to the UK will fall.
5. 20% hike on private schools will force thousands of people to send their children to state school = more strain on a system that is struggling to cope with student numbers.
6. Government borrowing is through Debt issuance primarily Govt Bonds...we need people to buy this debt...under Corbyn this will not happen unless the government promises very high interest rates to investors to compensate for inflation and risk of default. So this idea of borrowing on the cheap forever is just a fantasy.
7. Armed forces will be "destroyed" by their own Labour Government.
8. Open borders to the entire world will add further to the pressure faced by the NHS and Schools etc. But yes, we will invest under Corbyn to make allowances for this...more billions will need to be spent..maybe we can ask Venezuela for a loan...oh wait...they just have the largest oil reserves on the planet but still ended up broke...wonder why??
9. Unions playing a bigger role in corporate life can only lead to one thing...see my comments in Pt.3
Not saying the Tories are perfect...they are just the best of a bad bunch of a useless political class that we should all be ashamed of quite frankly.
2. Corbyn = inflationary spending = rising interest rates = rising mortgage rates = people losing their homes after their lovely 2% mortgage rates expire = everyone suffers (even those on <£80k).
3. Corp tax increase = companies closing + job losses.
4. Corp tax increase + anti-business sentiment = inward investment to the UK will fall.
5. 20% hike on private schools will force thousands of people to send their children to state school = more strain on a system that is struggling to cope with student numbers.
6. Government borrowing is through Debt issuance primarily Govt Bonds...we need people to buy this debt...under Corbyn this will not happen unless the government promises very high interest rates to investors to compensate for inflation and risk of default. So this idea of borrowing on the cheap forever is just a fantasy.
7. Armed forces will be "destroyed" by their own Labour Government.
8. Open borders to the entire world will add further to the pressure faced by the NHS and Schools etc. But yes, we will invest under Corbyn to make allowances for this...more billions will need to be spent..maybe we can ask Venezuela for a loan...oh wait...they just have the largest oil reserves on the planet but still ended up broke...wonder why??
9. Unions playing a bigger role in corporate life can only lead to one thing...see my comments in Pt.3
Not saying the Tories are perfect...they are just the best of a bad bunch of a useless political class that we should all be ashamed of quite frankly.
Shuks76 said:
1. Best thread in ages.
2. Corbyn = inflationary spending = rising interest rates = rising mortgage rates = people losing their homes after their lovely 2% mortgage rates expire = everyone suffers (even those on <£80k).
3. Corp tax increase = companies closing + job losses.
4. Corp tax increase + anti-business sentiment = inward investment to the UK will fall.
5. 20% hike on private schools will force thousands of people to send their children to state school = more strain on a system that is struggling to cope with student numbers.
6. Government borrowing is through Debt issuance primarily Govt Bonds...we need people to buy this debt...under Corbyn this will not happen unless the government promises very high interest rates to investors to compensate for inflation and risk of default. So this idea of borrowing on the cheap forever is just a fantasy.
7. Armed forces will be "destroyed" by their own Labour Government.
8. Open borders to the entire world will add further to the pressure faced by the NHS and Schools etc. But yes, we will invest under Corbyn to make allowances for this...more billions will need to be spent..maybe we can ask Venezuela for a loan...oh wait...they just have the largest oil reserves on the planet but still ended up broke...wonder why??
9. Unions playing a bigger role in corporate life can only lead to one thing...see my comments in Pt.3
Not saying the Tories are perfect...they are just the best of a bad bunch of a useless political class that we should all be ashamed of quite frankly.
Can’t disagree with any of this. The Russians will be happy as they can sit back and watch Corbyn and his cabinet destroy the UK in 5 years without any outside interference ! 2. Corbyn = inflationary spending = rising interest rates = rising mortgage rates = people losing their homes after their lovely 2% mortgage rates expire = everyone suffers (even those on <£80k).
3. Corp tax increase = companies closing + job losses.
4. Corp tax increase + anti-business sentiment = inward investment to the UK will fall.
5. 20% hike on private schools will force thousands of people to send their children to state school = more strain on a system that is struggling to cope with student numbers.
6. Government borrowing is through Debt issuance primarily Govt Bonds...we need people to buy this debt...under Corbyn this will not happen unless the government promises very high interest rates to investors to compensate for inflation and risk of default. So this idea of borrowing on the cheap forever is just a fantasy.
7. Armed forces will be "destroyed" by their own Labour Government.
8. Open borders to the entire world will add further to the pressure faced by the NHS and Schools etc. But yes, we will invest under Corbyn to make allowances for this...more billions will need to be spent..maybe we can ask Venezuela for a loan...oh wait...they just have the largest oil reserves on the planet but still ended up broke...wonder why??
9. Unions playing a bigger role in corporate life can only lead to one thing...see my comments in Pt.3
Not saying the Tories are perfect...they are just the best of a bad bunch of a useless political class that we should all be ashamed of quite frankly.
Shuks76 said:
1. Best thread in ages.
2. Corbyn = inflationary spending = rising interest rates = rising mortgage rates = people losing their homes after their lovely 2% mortgage rates expire = everyone suffers (even those on <£80k).
3. Corp tax increase = companies closing + job losses.
4. Corp tax increase + anti-business sentiment = inward investment to the UK will fall.
5. 20% hike on private schools will force thousands of people to send their children to state school = more strain on a system that is struggling to cope with student numbers.
6. Government borrowing is through Debt issuance primarily Govt Bonds...we need people to buy this debt...under Corbyn this will not happen unless the government promises very high interest rates to investors to compensate for inflation and risk of default. So this idea of borrowing on the cheap forever is just a fantasy.
7. Armed forces will be "destroyed" by their own Labour Government.
8. Open borders to the entire world will add further to the pressure faced by the NHS and Schools etc. But yes, we will invest under Corbyn to make allowances for this...more billions will need to be spent..maybe we can ask Venezuela for a loan...oh wait...they just have the largest oil reserves on the planet but still ended up broke...wonder why??
9. Unions playing a bigger role in corporate life can only lead to one thing...see my comments in Pt.3
Not saying the Tories are perfect...they are just the best of a bad bunch of a useless political class that we should all be ashamed of quite frankly.
Oh dear, been reading the Daily Mail have we?2. Corbyn = inflationary spending = rising interest rates = rising mortgage rates = people losing their homes after their lovely 2% mortgage rates expire = everyone suffers (even those on <£80k).
3. Corp tax increase = companies closing + job losses.
4. Corp tax increase + anti-business sentiment = inward investment to the UK will fall.
5. 20% hike on private schools will force thousands of people to send their children to state school = more strain on a system that is struggling to cope with student numbers.
6. Government borrowing is through Debt issuance primarily Govt Bonds...we need people to buy this debt...under Corbyn this will not happen unless the government promises very high interest rates to investors to compensate for inflation and risk of default. So this idea of borrowing on the cheap forever is just a fantasy.
7. Armed forces will be "destroyed" by their own Labour Government.
8. Open borders to the entire world will add further to the pressure faced by the NHS and Schools etc. But yes, we will invest under Corbyn to make allowances for this...more billions will need to be spent..maybe we can ask Venezuela for a loan...oh wait...they just have the largest oil reserves on the planet but still ended up broke...wonder why??
9. Unions playing a bigger role in corporate life can only lead to one thing...see my comments in Pt.3
Not saying the Tories are perfect...they are just the best of a bad bunch of a useless political class that we should all be ashamed of quite frankly.
The corporation tax rise will actually just bring it up to the AVERAGE level in the EU. I don't know about you but I'm fed up of the race to the bottom.
Low corporation tax is just corporate welfare anyway. They don't pay enough for people to survive so they have to claim in-work benefits, i.e. taxpayer's money. It's a subsidy of low-wage corporations.
Labour committed to spending the same as the Tories on the armed forces, and even to renewing Trident. Nice scaremongering there.
Only raving Tories are talking about "open borders". It's the ultimate concession - they can't make an argument against the actual policy so they have to lie about it.
cc3 said:
Can’t disagree with any of this. The Russians will be happy as they can sit back and watch Corbyn and his cabinet destroy the UK in 5 years without any outside interference !
The same Russians who are making massive donations to the Tory Party?Seems odd that they would give Boris money if they want Corbyn to win.
REALIST123 said:
Ah, bless, how naive.
The problems in the NHS are not all to do with money.
I had occasion to visit A and E a few months ago. On arrival I was met by two 'greeters' dressed as nurses, who wrote my name and address on a piece of paper which they gave to me then carried on chatting.
I took my piece of paper to one of another 3 ladies in a booth who typed the details into the system and asked me to sit down.
About an hour later I was called in to see a nurse. She asked me what the problem was, wrote it down on a sheet and asked me to go and wait a bit longer. After about 4 hours I asked when I might be seen and was told it could be another 4 hours, maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did and after going through the whole process again was finally seen after another 3 hour wait.
What I found most interesting was the fact that, when I arrived, on a dry wipe board were the words: 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 20 minutes'. After about an hour a nurse, or someone dressed like a nurse, came out and methodically rubbed out the whole thing.
She then wrote on the board 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 45 minutes'.
Again, an hour later, she came out, rubbed the whole thing out again and wrote 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 3 hours 15 minutes'.
The NHS needs far more than money and if you think Labour will provide it I suggest you examine the cash spent and the gains made between 1997 and 2010.
Doesn't sound the biggest emergency in the world if you were still alive and waiting a day later. The problems in the NHS are not all to do with money.
I had occasion to visit A and E a few months ago. On arrival I was met by two 'greeters' dressed as nurses, who wrote my name and address on a piece of paper which they gave to me then carried on chatting.
I took my piece of paper to one of another 3 ladies in a booth who typed the details into the system and asked me to sit down.
About an hour later I was called in to see a nurse. She asked me what the problem was, wrote it down on a sheet and asked me to go and wait a bit longer. After about 4 hours I asked when I might be seen and was told it could be another 4 hours, maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did and after going through the whole process again was finally seen after another 3 hour wait.
What I found most interesting was the fact that, when I arrived, on a dry wipe board were the words: 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 20 minutes'. After about an hour a nurse, or someone dressed like a nurse, came out and methodically rubbed out the whole thing.
She then wrote on the board 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 45 minutes'.
Again, an hour later, she came out, rubbed the whole thing out again and wrote 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 3 hours 15 minutes'.
The NHS needs far more than money and if you think Labour will provide it I suggest you examine the cash spent and the gains made between 1997 and 2010.
kuro68k said:
DonkeyApple said:
And likewise there will always be an equal number of people who will vote for free money etc
Yes but the Tory's free money is from a magic money tree, and has a nasty habit of evaporating after the election.At least with Labour you know they will actually do it because it's their ideology, where as with the Tories you know they will screw you and help themselves because that's their core philosophy.
It's the same as me saying Labour will confiscate all our possessions so we can all live in Labours version of a socialist utopia.
kuro68k said:
Oh dear, been reading the Daily Mail have we?
The corporation tax rise will actually just bring it up to the AVERAGE level in the EU. I don't know about you but I'm fed up of the race to the bottom.
Low corporation tax is just corporate welfare anyway. They don't pay enough for people to survive so they have to claim in-work benefits, i.e. taxpayer's money. It's a subsidy of low-wage corporations.
Labour committed to spending the same as the Tories on the armed forces, and even to renewing Trident. Nice scaremongering there.
Only raving Tories are talking about "open borders". It's the ultimate concession - they can't make an argument against the actual policy so they have to lie about it.
Having a massive rise in Corp tax will mean one thing. Prices will rise to compensate putting up inflation that hits everyone or the big corps just move their tax base to another country. As the IFS said everyone will pay, the burden will be spread across everyone. The corporation tax rise will actually just bring it up to the AVERAGE level in the EU. I don't know about you but I'm fed up of the race to the bottom.
Low corporation tax is just corporate welfare anyway. They don't pay enough for people to survive so they have to claim in-work benefits, i.e. taxpayer's money. It's a subsidy of low-wage corporations.
Labour committed to spending the same as the Tories on the armed forces, and even to renewing Trident. Nice scaremongering there.
Only raving Tories are talking about "open borders". It's the ultimate concession - they can't make an argument against the actual policy so they have to lie about it.
Some incredibly misinformed thinking in this thread. Someone moaning about the triage system in A&E and then going home to come back another day - you know the E in A&E stands for emergencies, and that the purpose of triage is to prioritise more urgent cases? The fact you could afford to come back another day tells me that the triage people did the right thing...
People complain about the NHS and glibly say that money won't fix anything - our expenditure per capita on healthcare in the UK puts us 17th globally, in the US they spend almost double what we spend. If you imagine that some sort of privatisation is going to reduce what it costs to provide healthcare here in the UK you're extremely naive.
Of course there will be inefficiencies in an organisation the size of the NHS but to suggest that more money wouldn't help a system that is facing increasing levels of demand all the time due to the aging population and the impact of poor lifestyle choices is ridiculous.
People complain about the NHS and glibly say that money won't fix anything - our expenditure per capita on healthcare in the UK puts us 17th globally, in the US they spend almost double what we spend. If you imagine that some sort of privatisation is going to reduce what it costs to provide healthcare here in the UK you're extremely naive.
Of course there will be inefficiencies in an organisation the size of the NHS but to suggest that more money wouldn't help a system that is facing increasing levels of demand all the time due to the aging population and the impact of poor lifestyle choices is ridiculous.
cc3 said:
I see McDonnell has today confirmed they will change the law to allow secondary strike action. Winter of Discontent 1978/79 here we go again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZED46yZb0Vo&fireglass_rsn=trueEdited by irocfan on Friday 22 November 16:52
cc3 said:
Having a massive rise in Corp tax will mean one thing. Prices will rise to compensate putting up inflation that hits everyone or the big corps just move their tax base to another country. As the IFS said everyone will pay, the burden will be spread across everyone.
You know they are only going to put it back to 2010 levels, right?Back to where it was before the Tory give-away to their rich friends.
So much scaremongering going on. Like that idiot on Question Time who insisted that he wasn't in the top 50% of tax payers with his over £80,000/year salary.
kuro68k said:
You know they are only going to put it back to 2010 levels, right?
Back to where it was before the Tory give-away to their rich friends.
So much scaremongering going on. Like that idiot on Question Time who insisted that he wasn't in the top 50% of tax payers with his over £80,000/year salary.
The world has moved on since 2010. The FT which is no supporter of the Tory party says it all !! It will be the harshest tax regime in the advanced world ! Who in their right minds would want to keep their business in the U.K. let alone set up business in the U.K. Back to where it was before the Tory give-away to their rich friends.
So much scaremongering going on. Like that idiot on Question Time who insisted that he wasn't in the top 50% of tax payers with his over £80,000/year salary.
My family run a successful business and we already have advanced contingency plans to offshore it if the Marxists win. We are not alone a lot of business people and individuals already have plans in place that will be triggered on 13 December if necessary. The loss will be to the U.K. economy which will mean even higher and higher tax in the U.K. . Give them 10 years and the U.K. will be just like that of Corbyn’s chums in Venezuela.
The business model of the 1970’s is for the birds many businesses can be located wherever in the world creates the right conditions. For advanced tech businesses that certainly won’t be Corbyn’s U.K. Enjoy the Socialist Republic of the U.K. which will have out of control inflation caused by the Unions never ending demand for unaffordable wage rises, the return of secondary picketing, unsustainable national debt and high unemployment. That’s the Socialist business model. Too many examples around the world
People who come to this country and build a successful business without a bean in their pocket are not going to stand around and watch the Marxists destroy it
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/...
cc3 said:
It will be the harshest tax regime in the advanced world !
Except it's actually the AVERAGE rate world-wide and the average rate for Europe.Your FT link is behind a paywall but they must be talking BS because there are many countries with higher rates. Germany is 29.8%, France is 34.4%. France's economy is growing 30% faster than the UK's.
If you want to try to offshore your company then go ahead, we don't need people like you who just leech and don't want to contribute your fair share. There are other economies with lower tax rates but they are also much smaller than the UK and you won't make as much money to start with. Feel free to try though.
kuro68k said:
Except it's actually the AVERAGE rate world-wide and the average rate for Europe.
Your FT link is behind a paywall but they must be talking BS because there are many countries with higher rates. Germany is 29.8%, France is 34.4%. France's economy is growing 30% faster than the UK's.
If you want to try to offshore your company then go ahead, we don't need people like you who just leech and don't want to contribute your fair share. There are other economies with lower tax rates but they are also much smaller than the UK and you won't make as much money to start with. Feel free to try though.
The usual old socialist anger. Lost the argument then result to insult. I am happy to pay thousands in tax but I won’t pay it to the anti Semitic Marxists who want to run our country. Labour Party in the same bracket as the BNP for being investigated by the Human Rights Watchdog. Says it all both extremists Your FT link is behind a paywall but they must be talking BS because there are many countries with higher rates. Germany is 29.8%, France is 34.4%. France's economy is growing 30% faster than the UK's.
If you want to try to offshore your company then go ahead, we don't need people like you who just leech and don't want to contribute your fair share. There are other economies with lower tax rates but they are also much smaller than the UK and you won't make as much money to start with. Feel free to try though.
cc3 said:
The usual old socialist anger. Lost the argument then result to insult. I am happy to pay thousands in tax but I won’t pay it to the anti Semitic Marxists who want to run our country. Labour Party in the same bracket as the BNP for being investigated by the Human Rights Watchdog. Says it all both extremists
dontcha know it's all a meeja plot? The marxist bros are just misunderstood.....cc3 said:
The usual old socialist anger. Lost the argument then result to insult. I am happy to pay thousands in tax but I won’t pay it to the anti Semitic Marxists who want to run our country. Labour Party in the same bracket as the BNP for being investigated by the Human Rights Watchdog. Says it all both extremists
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