New Tesla Pickup Truck
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jamoor said:
Cyber truck
5885mm length
2083 width
For reference a standard UK parking space is 2.4x4.7m, although some are smaller.5885mm length
2083 width
So you would have about 15cm on either side and overhang the back by well over a metre, assuming your bumper was right up to the line.
Also you have to remember that you need to get in to that space in the first place, which often means turning 90 degrees into a narrow gap. Given narrow one way systems in British car parks that could make many spaces inaccessible.
It gets worse though. Typical UK garage is only 2.4x4.9m. So not only will your Cybertruck not fit, but you would have 15cm either side to open the doors and get out. To be fair modern UK garages are a joke and many cars don't fit in them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_(residential)...
Edited by aestetix1 on Saturday 6th June 11:31
aestetix1 said:
Must seems to have something against them. People have been asking for years but he keeps saying no. My guess is that it's because he wants it to park itself and won't admit that it isn't going to happen for years. Remember he was saying it would do full self driving take a nap in the back by 2017.
Adding 360 cameras would be an admission of failure from his point of view.
I read on another forum that the other cameras will be enabled in the screen view when you reverse in one of the upcoming releases. Would be nice to see kerbs when parking up. Elon tweeted it apparently so it must be true.Adding 360 cameras would be an admission of failure from his point of view.
You can see the rest on the sentry app of course but that's not much help when parking unless you want to review later how you came to ding it....
ReformedPistonhead said:
I read on another forum that the other cameras will be enabled in the screen view when you reverse in one of the upcoming releases. Would be nice to see kerbs when parking up. Elon tweeted it apparently so it must be true.
You can see the rest on the sentry app of course but that's not much help when parking unless you want to review later how you came to ding it....
On Tesla Motors Club people have extracted the video from those cameras and it turns out they can't do 360 because they don't have enough coverage. They can't see the area around most of the front of the car and the side ones are mostly facing backwards rather than down so the image would be heavily distorted.You can see the rest on the sentry app of course but that's not much help when parking unless you want to review later how you came to ding it....
Seeing the kerb is about the best they can do.
aestetix1 said:
jamoor said:
Cyber truck
5885mm length
2083 width
For reference a standard UK parking space is 2.4x4.7m, although some are smaller.5885mm length
2083 width
So you would have about 15cm on either side and overhang the back by well over a metre, assuming your bumper was right up to the line.
Also you have to remember that you need to get in to that space in the first place, which often means turning 90 degrees into a narrow gap. Given narrow one way systems in British car parks that could make many spaces inaccessible.
It gets worse though. Typical UK garage is only 2.4x4.9m. So not only will your Cybertruck not fit, but you would have 15cm either side to open the doors and get out. To be fair modern UK garages are a joke and many cars don't fit in them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_(residential)...
Edited by aestetix1 on Saturday 6th June 11:31
They're for storing crap in and forgetting about it until you can't open the door anymore.
ChocolateFrog said:
Have they confirmed they're actually importing it?
The only full size trucks you see are the Dodge Rams with the V10 engine and the odd F150.
Well they let me put a deposit down and they know where I live so I hope so.The only full size trucks you see are the Dodge Rams with the V10 engine and the odd F150.
I am borrowing a Dodge Ram shortly when my Morgan is getting serviced to see how I go with a mahoosive truck at Sainsbury's. Expecting a lot of hate for a 5.7l V8 black mega-truck ;-)
Sambucket said:
“ Many motor vehicles in the U.S. are exempt from pedestrian protection protocols.
According to EU auto standards expert Stefan Teller the Cybertruck would have to undergo “major modifications to the basic structure” because the Cybertruck “contradicts the European security philosophy.”
Indeed, the front will never pass pedestrian safety standards here. The potential for head injuries is immense and the front looks almost designed to snap the victim's neck.According to EU auto standards expert Stefan Teller the Cybertruck would have to undergo “major modifications to the basic structure” because the Cybertruck “contradicts the European security philosophy.”
aestetix1 said:
RobDickinson said:
Company with arguably the safest cars on the road might be aware of the rules.
Who is that, certainly not Tesla? I mean they can't even design the autopilot system not to kill you. It doesn't even react when you take your hands off the wheel!The truck probably less so. America has odd rules when it comes to things like trucks and motorbikes. They seem to be far less regulationand safety.
Personally I can't see the truck being available in Europe without serious changes, but I'm no expert.
aestetix1 said:
RobDickinson said:
Company with arguably the safest cars on the road might be aware of the rules.
Who is that, certainly not Tesla? I mean they can't even design the autopilot system not to kill you. It doesn't even react when you take your hands off the wheel!aestetix1 said:
Who is that, certainly not Tesla? I mean they can't even design the autopilot system not to kill you. It doesn't even react when you take your hands off the wheel!
Then who is it?Who makes the most safe car lineup?
Iirc both Volvo and Mercedes had their auto braking fail at a press conference of all things. Can't even get a demo right.
Sambucket said:
ZesPak said:
Then who is it?
Who makes the most safe car lineup?
Iirc both Volvo and Mercedes had their auto braking fail at a press conference of all things. Can't even get a demo right.
If you drill into ncap xc40 beats model 3 marginally. If memory serves. But model 3 was certainly in the top three safest cars in its category. I think the objection was to ‘the best’. rather than’ one of the best’Who makes the most safe car lineup?
Iirc both Volvo and Mercedes had their auto braking fail at a press conference of all things. Can't even get a demo right.
94% in safety assist which isnt a surprise.
From what I can see its basically the best when it comes to using tech for safety.
Safety is also about not taking out pedestrians and while its part of the tests been talked about, the Cyber truck is bound to struggle in that regard given the front end compared to a car, it might do better than a articulated lorry but not have one as their car.
Tesla also pump out headline stats every quarter on accident rates but when you look at the trends they're all over the place and the "active AP is twice as safe" has been debunked a couple of times. But looking at just passive safety features and they had their worst quarter for over a year in Q1 this year, 30% worse than Q3 2019.
Tesla also pump out headline stats every quarter on accident rates but when you look at the trends they're all over the place and the "active AP is twice as safe" has been debunked a couple of times. But looking at just passive safety features and they had their worst quarter for over a year in Q1 this year, 30% worse than Q3 2019.
Sambucket said:
If you drill into ncap xc40 beats model 3 marginally. If memory serves. But model 3 was certainly in the top three safest cars in its category. I think the objection was to ‘the best’. rather than’ one of the best’
The objection was "I really dislike Tesla so I'm going to perpetuate some strawman argument I picked up with no first hand experience whatsoever.Sambucket said:
If you drill into ncap xc40 beats model 3 marginally. If memory serves. But model 3 was certainly in the top three safest cars in its category. I think the objection was to ‘the best’. rather than’ one of the best’
Yes, and the problem with the NCAP rating is that some of it is just tick boxes and the tests are quite limited.For example they don't check how good the driver alertness system is, so a car with a camera watching the driver and a car like the Model 3 where you can wedge an orange into the wheel and play with your phone are not differentiated.
No points deducted for testing beta software on public roads either. The fact that the behaviour can suddenly change with little warning isn't factored in either.
aestetix1 said:
Sambucket said:
If you drill into ncap xc40 beats model 3 marginally. If memory serves. But model 3 was certainly in the top three safest cars in its category. I think the objection was to ‘the best’. rather than’ one of the best’
Yes, and the problem with the NCAP rating is that some of it is just tick boxes and the tests are quite limited.For example they don't check how good the driver alertness system is, so a car with a camera watching the driver and a car like the Model 3 where you can wedge an orange into the wheel and play with your phone are not differentiated.
No points deducted for testing beta software on public roads either. The fact that the behaviour can suddenly change with little warning isn't factored in either.
jamoor said:
I’m really curious to know which Tesla’s you’ve owned as you seem to know an awful lot about them and did they have autopilot fitted?
It’s a fair question but it implies you disagree. If so, which bits do you think are wrong?Compare the latest BMW system that monitors the drivers face and intervenes if the driver looks away for too long to the Tesla system which just requires a dead weight (no pun intended) to provide rotational resistance.
Tesla still hiding behind ‘beta’ and making material changes in release after release and widely experienced with very mixed outcomes.
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