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Heres Johnny said:
jamoor said:
I’m really curious to know which Tesla’s you’ve owned as you seem to know an awful lot about them and did they have autopilot fitted?
It’s a fair question but it implies you disagree. If so, which bits do you think are wrong?Compare the latest BMW system that monitors the drivers face and intervenes if the driver looks away for too long to the Tesla system which just requires a dead weight (no pun intended) to provide rotational resistance.
Tesla still hiding behind ‘beta’ and making material changes in release after release and widely experienced with very mixed outcomes.
Whats wrong with material changes release after release? They use big data to make improvements.
Is the BMW system the same as the cadillac supercruise?
hyphen said:
By the time full driving happens, the current Tesla's will be knackered through normal usage.
The batteries may be able to do 500k+ miles, but other expensive components won't. And all the usual wear and tear rules will apply.
It won't be worth upgrading them.
Which other "expensive components" won't do 500k?The batteries may be able to do 500k+ miles, but other expensive components won't. And all the usual wear and tear rules will apply.
It won't be worth upgrading them.
I am not sure there are even any other expensive components on a model 3 apart from the motor.
hyphen said:
The tablet 
Is that an expensive component?looks cheap to me.
Thats the beauty of these cars, there's so little to them there's no reason for it not to do high miles. Compare it to replacing o2 sensors, exhausts, spark plugs, oil, oil filters yada yada.
Edited by jamoor on Sunday 7th June 19:16
jamoor said:
The Tesla is designed to be a self driving car - as in 0 driver involvement in the future so adding unnecessary hardware is a waste of money.
I can't believe people still believe that.3 years ago when Musk was swearing that they would do a coast to coast demo in the next few months and have it finished shortly after did you believe him then? And thee years later when they don't seem to be any closer do you believe they will launch the robotaxi service in the next 6 months as promised?
aestetix1 said:
jamoor said:
The Tesla is designed to be a self driving car - as in 0 driver involvement in the future so adding unnecessary hardware is a waste of money.
I can't believe people still believe that.3 years ago when Musk was swearing that they would do a coast to coast demo in the next few months and have it finished shortly after did you believe him then? And thee years later when they don't seem to be any closer do you believe they will launch the robotaxi service in the next 6 months as promised?
Watch the Mobileye videos - they are filmed in Israel under challenging conditions, not through the streets of California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kC6E2zEs8
Its a fallacy to believe that self driving isnt coming.
jamoor said:
I am confident it will work as promised (if you have ever driven a car with these features you will be surprised at how good they are) however when that is I don't know.
Watch the Mobileye videos - they are filmed in Israel under challenging conditions, not through the streets of California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kC6E2zEs8
Its a fallacy to believe that self driving isnt coming.
Whats your expectation as to when it will arrive?Watch the Mobileye videos - they are filmed in Israel under challenging conditions, not through the streets of California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kC6E2zEs8
Its a fallacy to believe that self driving isnt coming.
hyphen said:
jamoor said:
I am confident it will work as promised (if you have ever driven a car with these features you will be surprised at how good they are) however when that is I don't know.
Watch the Mobileye videos - they are filmed in Israel under challenging conditions, not through the streets of California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kC6E2zEs8
Its a fallacy to believe that self driving isnt coming.
Whats your expectation as to when it will arrive?Watch the Mobileye videos - they are filmed in Israel under challenging conditions, not through the streets of California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kC6E2zEs8
Its a fallacy to believe that self driving isnt coming.
If you buy a tesla you don't have to buy FSD.
The safety aspects of the system are active regardless.
Autopilot is demonstrably safer than humans by a factor of about 8, teslas not using ap are substantially safer than average also.
You can argue other premium cars are too but they lack the basic means of even attempting to gather this data, plus all do substantially worse in simple staged safety tests.
And crucially will never get better once driven out of the dealer. Unlike teslas.
The safety aspects of the system are active regardless.
Autopilot is demonstrably safer than humans by a factor of about 8, teslas not using ap are substantially safer than average also.
You can argue other premium cars are too but they lack the basic means of even attempting to gather this data, plus all do substantially worse in simple staged safety tests.
And crucially will never get better once driven out of the dealer. Unlike teslas.
RobDickinson said:
If you buy a tesla you don't have to buy FSD.
The safety aspects of the system are active regardless.
Autopilot is demonstrably safer than humans by a factor of about 8, teslas not using ap are substantially safer than average also.
You can argue other premium cars are too but they lack the basic means of even attempting to gather this data, plus all do substantially worse in simple staged safety tests.
And crucially will never get better once driven out of the dealer. Unlike teslas.
I actually think BMW now have ota updates for the cars and features nowThe safety aspects of the system are active regardless.
Autopilot is demonstrably safer than humans by a factor of about 8, teslas not using ap are substantially safer than average also.
You can argue other premium cars are too but they lack the basic means of even attempting to gather this data, plus all do substantially worse in simple staged safety tests.
And crucially will never get better once driven out of the dealer. Unlike teslas.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/06/05/video-first-ota...
I know its almost a decade later but its still there!
aestetix1 said:
jamoor said:
The Tesla is designed to be a self driving car - as in 0 driver involvement in the future so adding unnecessary hardware is a waste of money.
I can't believe people still believe that.3 years ago when Musk was swearing that they would do a coast to coast demo in the next few months and have it finished shortly after did you believe him then? And thee years later when they don't seem to be any closer do you believe they will launch the robotaxi service in the next 6 months as promised?
I believe he will deliver the self driving car, it's just a case of when.
Edited by 98elise on Monday 8th June 08:42
RobDickinson said:
And crucially will never get better once driven out of the dealer. Unlike teslas.
Why won't traditional manufacturers not do the same with their Evs?If EV is going to bring in less money from parts and servicing, then surely OTA/hardware upgrades will be a good way to make money?
Even Tesla don’t claim FSD will be level 4 driving in the future anymore for their current cars. They’ve pulled back from a lot of the early rhetoric and marketing information
Tesla’s safety has also been debunked many times when you take into consideration driver demographics, road types etc etc. Passive safety is safer but there’s zero evidence that Tesla’s passive safety systems are any better than any other. And in the last quarter the accident rates went up. And the active autopilot system? Why would you ever turn it off if it was twice as safe as not using it? If you start thinking certain rods or weather or places it’s not designed, then they’re all the reasons why the comparison Tesla make is false, so go ahead, turn it on as you leave the drive and don’t turn active pilot off until you’re ready to get out the car.
The interior camera monitoring the driver - it’s been well established that this is a benefit going back 15 years when Merc introduced a drovers sleep thing, there have done similar with driver assist, Tesla know they should do it which is why they’re putting the camera in the M3 but they’ve not got it working so haven’t implemented.
Software updates are fine. No problems except they don’t always improve things. That’s the issue Tesla have. They really should be running updates in shadow mode across the world and dealing with the fall out before putting them live. There seems to be little evidence they do that as it requires twice the processing - old version v new version. Yet any data scientist will tell you to run a model and a challenger model in parallel to see if the challenger is better. It’s basic stuff. Not doing so results in a variety of outcomes, not always better. The unintended consequence like turning up the dial for lorrys across the road resulting in getting spooked by bridges and shadows.
But pointless saying this, half of you not want to listen because you’re ‘believers’
Tesla’s safety has also been debunked many times when you take into consideration driver demographics, road types etc etc. Passive safety is safer but there’s zero evidence that Tesla’s passive safety systems are any better than any other. And in the last quarter the accident rates went up. And the active autopilot system? Why would you ever turn it off if it was twice as safe as not using it? If you start thinking certain rods or weather or places it’s not designed, then they’re all the reasons why the comparison Tesla make is false, so go ahead, turn it on as you leave the drive and don’t turn active pilot off until you’re ready to get out the car.
The interior camera monitoring the driver - it’s been well established that this is a benefit going back 15 years when Merc introduced a drovers sleep thing, there have done similar with driver assist, Tesla know they should do it which is why they’re putting the camera in the M3 but they’ve not got it working so haven’t implemented.
Software updates are fine. No problems except they don’t always improve things. That’s the issue Tesla have. They really should be running updates in shadow mode across the world and dealing with the fall out before putting them live. There seems to be little evidence they do that as it requires twice the processing - old version v new version. Yet any data scientist will tell you to run a model and a challenger model in parallel to see if the challenger is better. It’s basic stuff. Not doing so results in a variety of outcomes, not always better. The unintended consequence like turning up the dial for lorrys across the road resulting in getting spooked by bridges and shadows.
But pointless saying this, half of you not want to listen because you’re ‘believers’
ReformedPistonhead said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Have they confirmed they're actually importing it?
The only full size trucks you see are the Dodge Rams with the V10 engine and the odd F150.
Well they let me put a deposit down and they know where I live so I hope so.The only full size trucks you see are the Dodge Rams with the V10 engine and the odd F150.
I am borrowing a Dodge Ram shortly when my Morgan is getting serviced to see how I go with a mahoosive truck at Sainsbury's. Expecting a lot of hate for a 5.7l V8 black mega-truck ;-)
98elise said:
I believe he will deliver the self driving car, it's just a case of when.
A lot of skeptics on FSD and its not surprising, its a difficult thing to achieve, Ford & VW are teaming up on it and have about $10bn or so sunk into their program. Intel is working on it, Google has spent a fortune on it with waymo (and is arguably leading the pack).Thing with teslas approach as usual here is they do it in bite sized chunks and build what they need (the CPU, the image processing, new 360 video mapping engine etc). Its always miles away until suddenly it works.
So far we've gone from Ap and short forward/backward summon to Navigate on Autopilot, smart summon, visualizing all the key elements on the screen and now stop sign/traffic light control - currently being trained by half a million users or more. Theres honestly not that much more to add as basic features - turning and junctions, roundabouts etc.
Making it work for enough edge cases is the hard bit. A US city is a different place to deepest Devon..
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