Model 3 with no driveway
Discussion
SWoll said:
Really depends on your mileage/usage requirements and local charging options. More info please. 
London NW3, not sure on local charging options.Mileage roughly 200 miles a week (however with FSD I’d probably do more.)
I really want to buy for long term ownership - 10 years. It’s seems like there will be loads of these cars in the future, running them long term seems doable. I worry with buying something like an i3, that production will end and they’ll be a hassle owning long term.
stabilio said:
I wouldn't dare have an EV without somewhere to charge it at home although I guess it depends how far away you are from a supercharger.
For me its an hour plus round trip to my nearest.
He's London NW3 so numerous supercharging options relatively close by. For 200 miles per week of usage I don't see an issue personally as long as you don't mind committing some time every week to it. Just sit and watch a show on Netflix like I do. For me its an hour plus round trip to my nearest.
to the OP...whilst i am SW not NW, there are so many chargers in London, lack of a drive wouldn't put me off at all
so far I've used:
Source London multiple times (various)
Ubitricity lamp post chargers (slow)
ESB on street medium speed chargers (loads have sprung up near me...think its to encourage electric taxis)
Shell chargers (both superfast at a petrol station, and slower speed eg in a cinema carpark)
Pod Point at Heathrow
and a Tesla supercharger once
and most of those, whilst sometimes being costly, generally come with free parking, so kind of nets out
so far I've used:
Source London multiple times (various)
Ubitricity lamp post chargers (slow)
ESB on street medium speed chargers (loads have sprung up near me...think its to encourage electric taxis)
Shell chargers (both superfast at a petrol station, and slower speed eg in a cinema carpark)
Pod Point at Heathrow
and a Tesla supercharger once
and most of those, whilst sometimes being costly, generally come with free parking, so kind of nets out
Superchargers are reasonably pricey at 24p/kWh, but have a look and see what options Polar has nearby. £8 per month for unlimited 7kW charging is pretty reasonable. I'm luck that there's a polar point right behind my flat, so when I get my EV I really won't need to worry about not being able to charge at home.
squirdan said:
to the OP...whilst i am SW not NW, there are so many chargers in London, lack of a drive wouldn't put me off at all
so far I've used:
Source London multiple times (various)
Ubitricity lamp post chargers (slow)
ESB on street medium speed chargers (loads have sprung up near me...think its to encourage electric taxis)
Shell chargers (both superfast at a petrol station, and slower speed eg in a cinema carpark)
Pod Point at Heathrow
and a Tesla supercharger once
That looks like my worst nightmare. Compared to those of us with a driveway, it takes me sub 5 seconds to plug in our EV when I get home and thats it, whilst paying 8p per kWh.so far I've used:
Source London multiple times (various)
Ubitricity lamp post chargers (slow)
ESB on street medium speed chargers (loads have sprung up near me...think its to encourage electric taxis)
Shell chargers (both superfast at a petrol station, and slower speed eg in a cinema carpark)
Pod Point at Heathrow
and a Tesla supercharger once
How much time have you wasted looking for all those chargers? And how many charging Apps do you have to manage? The public charging networks in the UK is a shambles at the moment and government appears not to be interested in helping to us legislation to help
.If you took away our home charger I would switch back to combustion without any hesitation.
Edited by gangzoom on Friday 10th January 07:07
gangzoom said:
That looks like my worst nightmare. Compared to those of us with a driveway, it takes me sub 5 seconds to plug in our EV when I get home and thats it, whilst paying 8p per kWh.
How much time have you wasted looking for all those chargers? And how many charging Apps do you have to manage? The public charging networks in the UK is a shambles at the moment and government appears not to be interested in helping to us legislation to help.
If you took away our home charger I would switch back to combustion without any hesitation.
Whereas I'd just charge at the Polar 50kW at my local Waitrose once per week if I couldn't charge at home all of a sudden. I do that with the Model 3 anyway to save a a few £ off the home bill and get an hour to watch Netflix in peace. How much time have you wasted looking for all those chargers? And how many charging Apps do you have to manage? The public charging networks in the UK is a shambles at the moment and government appears not to be interested in helping to us legislation to help
.If you took away our home charger I would switch back to combustion without any hesitation.
Edited by gangzoom on Friday 10th January 07:07
Public charging experience is going to vary massively person to person, only the OP can work out if it's a fit for him?
SWoll said:
Whereas I'd just charge at the Polar 50kW at my local Waitrose once per week if I couldn't charge at home all of a sudden. I do that with the Model 3 anyway to save a a few £ off the home bill and get an hour to watch Netflix in peace.
There is a big difference between have the freedom to choose how you waste your time and been mandated to spend your spare time on something.Time is the most precious commodity there is, EVs are great, but wasting time faffing with public charging isn't something most people would want to do.
The calculation is rather easy for your charge time:
200 miles in a TM3 is about 60kWh. This means on a 22kWh (common public charging) it'll take you about 3 hours. On a 50kWh (faster public chargers) it'll take you little over an hour.
Look at your weekly schedule, where can you park your car? Maybe you have a charger at walking distance? Once a week overnight on a 11kWh seems plenty for your use.
Or as above, maybe at the office/customer or close to work. These are usually 11kWh, but still less than one work day/week will get you there. If it was my I'd try to fit it in my week schedule so it doesn't become a chore.
Supercharging is usually reasonably priced, but it's often not in the locations you have to be. Price is about 0,3 EUR, so roughly 25p. That's ~ GBP 15/week.
A couple of years ago I was in the same boat and I opted against it. But the charging infrastructure in London today isn't the same as the infrastructure 5 years ago in the glorified town I lived in. Seeing public charging has come a long way, it might be easily feasable. I go to the sports center 3x 1,5h/week. Using the 22kWh charger there I could do about 500km/week just on that charging, no detours or waiting.
As it stands, I do close to 1000km/week so I'm happy with my home parking.
TL;DR : I wouldn't consider it if I had to wait for it, but there's a good chance you can fit it in your week with minimal effort.
200 miles in a TM3 is about 60kWh. This means on a 22kWh (common public charging) it'll take you about 3 hours. On a 50kWh (faster public chargers) it'll take you little over an hour.
Look at your weekly schedule, where can you park your car? Maybe you have a charger at walking distance? Once a week overnight on a 11kWh seems plenty for your use.
Or as above, maybe at the office/customer or close to work. These are usually 11kWh, but still less than one work day/week will get you there. If it was my I'd try to fit it in my week schedule so it doesn't become a chore.
Supercharging is usually reasonably priced, but it's often not in the locations you have to be. Price is about 0,3 EUR, so roughly 25p. That's ~ GBP 15/week.
A couple of years ago I was in the same boat and I opted against it. But the charging infrastructure in London today isn't the same as the infrastructure 5 years ago in the glorified town I lived in
. Seeing public charging has come a long way, it might be easily feasable. I go to the sports center 3x 1,5h/week. Using the 22kWh charger there I could do about 500km/week just on that charging, no detours or waiting.As it stands, I do close to 1000km/week so I'm happy with my home parking.
TL;DR : I wouldn't consider it if I had to wait for it, but there's a good chance you can fit it in your week with minimal effort.
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 10th January 09:33
gangzoom said:
SWoll said:
Whereas I'd just charge at the Polar 50kW at my local Waitrose once per week if I couldn't charge at home all of a sudden. I do that with the Model 3 anyway to save a a few £ off the home bill and get an hour to watch Netflix in peace.
There is a big difference between have the freedom to choose how you waste your time and been mandated to spend your spare time on something.Time is the most precious commodity there is, EVs are great, but wasting time faffing with public charging isn't something most people would want to do.
If you can't work that into your week to watch a TV show/movie, listen to music, read a book etc. then you've got bigger problems than charging an EV IMHO.
REALIST123 said:
Whatever happened to not having to spend 10 minutes at a petrol station every couple of weeks being one of the major EV advantages?
As charging infrastructure expands (which is cheap and feasable), it's an advantage that's getting more and more available for more and more people.
I presume you drive an ICE car, how those things ever came to pass is a wonder, the horses could graze anywhere and drink water, while you had to look long and far for a filling up station for your automobile.
The future is here old man, at least if you don't want to partake, don't make yourself look like an idiot while ignoring everything mentioned on this thread. Almost every customer I have in the netherlands has charging possibilites. None of them have a petrol station on site.
Sounds risky to me.
If it was me there would be that horrible day where something has gone wrong, the weather will be awful and you'll decide not to bother charging. You'll then need the car for something urgent and have to panic find a charger.
It's going to be interesting to see how the infrastructure keeps up with demand. I imagine at the minute waiting for a public charger is a rare event but in 2 or 3 years time there's going to be multiple times more EVs on the roads fighting for a charging network that might be 50% bigger at an optimistic guess.
The same half hour weekly public charge would be a faff if there was 2 cars ahead of you in a queue.
If it was me there would be that horrible day where something has gone wrong, the weather will be awful and you'll decide not to bother charging. You'll then need the car for something urgent and have to panic find a charger.
It's going to be interesting to see how the infrastructure keeps up with demand. I imagine at the minute waiting for a public charger is a rare event but in 2 or 3 years time there's going to be multiple times more EVs on the roads fighting for a charging network that might be 50% bigger at an optimistic guess.
The same half hour weekly public charge would be a faff if there was 2 cars ahead of you in a queue.
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