Base Tesla cheaper overall than a £5K barge ?
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For everyone concerned about supercharging and degradation look at Tesloop.
I believe they have 5 vehicles over 300k miles and 2 over 450k miles! Most if not all have been done on Superchargers. Yes some have had new battery packs under warranty but not all. And I guess they’re still under the 8 year warranty.
I believe they have 5 vehicles over 300k miles and 2 over 450k miles! Most if not all have been done on Superchargers. Yes some have had new battery packs under warranty but not all. And I guess they’re still under the 8 year warranty.
audi321 said:
For everyone concerned about supercharging and degradation look at Tesloop.
I believe they have 5 vehicles over 300k miles and 2 over 450k miles! Most if not all have been done on Superchargers. Yes some have had new battery packs under warranty but not all. And I guess they’re still under the 8 year warranty.
So 7 vehicles have done high mileages though some have had to have new batteries? I believe they have 5 vehicles over 300k miles and 2 over 450k miles! Most if not all have been done on Superchargers. Yes some have had new battery packs under warranty but not all. And I guess they’re still under the 8 year warranty.
Not much of a sample size is it?
gangzoom said:
With reduction in miles on the car there is a chance I can make the 50k mile warranty last 4 years rather than blow through it in 3 years, as ever with EVs, my main problem is using them too much......at least the bike has a unlimited miles warranty + unlimited servicing for the next 3 years 
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? As far as I know, my battery and drivetrain have a 8j/240 000km warranty? .ZesPak said:
gangzoom said:
With reduction in miles on the car there is a chance I can make the 50k mile warranty last 4 years rather than blow through it in 3 years, as ever with EVs, my main problem is using them too much......at least the bike has a unlimited miles warranty + unlimited servicing for the next 3 years .
? As far as I know, my battery and drivetrain have a 8j/240 000km warranty? .Clue: 50k miles and 4 years
Heres Johnny said:
ZesPak said:
gangzoom said:
With reduction in miles on the car there is a chance I can make the 50k mile warranty last 4 years rather than blow through it in 3 years, as ever with EVs, my main problem is using them too much......at least the bike has a unlimited miles warranty + unlimited servicing for the next 3 years .
? As far as I know, my battery and drivetrain have a 8j/240 000km warranty? .Clue: 50k miles and 4 years
jamoor said:
Heres Johnny said:
ZesPak said:
gangzoom said:
With reduction in miles on the car there is a chance I can make the 50k mile warranty last 4 years rather than blow through it in 3 years, as ever with EVs, my main problem is using them too much......at least the bike has a unlimited miles warranty + unlimited servicing for the next 3 years .
? As far as I know, my battery and drivetrain have a 8j/240 000km warranty? .Clue: 50k miles and 4 years
Audi - 3 Year 60k miles
Mercedes - 3 year unlimted
Always think the unimited mileage thing is a bit of a joke really as the majority of cars will cover < 40k in those first 3 years. Good if you are one of the few who do big miles but for most 4 years and 50k is a better deal.
SWoll said:
BMW - 3 year unlimited mileage
Audi - 3 Year 60k miles
Mercedes - 3 year unlimted
Always think the unimited mileage thing is a bit of a joke really as the majority of cars will cover < 40k in those first 3 years. Good if you are one of the few who do big miles but for most 4 years and 50k is a better deal.
Ah so 4 years for most people.Audi - 3 Year 60k miles
Mercedes - 3 year unlimted
Always think the unimited mileage thing is a bit of a joke really as the majority of cars will cover < 40k in those first 3 years. Good if you are one of the few who do big miles but for most 4 years and 50k is a better deal.
The problem I have is that I’m doing a lot of mileage in my model 3 as fuelling it is basically free.
I’ve done 7.5k since November.
jamoor said:
Ah so 4 years for most people.
The problem I have is that I’m doing a lot of mileage in my model 3 as fuelling it is basically free.
I’ve done 7.5k since November.
Isn't this a bit faulty logic (which I'm definitely guilty of too). As fuel is only a fraction of the total cost per mile ( If you are paying 40p for milage linked depreciation + tyres or whatever) then saving "10% off" is not a great excuse to put high miles on a car for the sake of it? Or do you take the view you pay for deprecation as a lump sum every year regardless of miles?The problem I have is that I’m doing a lot of mileage in my model 3 as fuelling it is basically free.
I’ve done 7.5k since November.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 29th February 23:58
I'm curious if there is any data on battery warranty repairs? One person on the internet says 'Tesla replaced my battery under warranty no worries. And then another person on the internet says 'Tesla didn't keep their word and refused to repair under warranty and I'm suing'. Obviously forum posts are an imperfect research science. So si there another source of data on this that doesn't mix up serious stuff like battery replacement with cosmetic issues. (Not that those are not important, I'm just wondering if it's possible to segment the data at all) Or are opinions generally sentiment driven?
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 1st March 07:40
Sambucket said:
I'm curious if there is any data on battery warranty repairs? One person on the internet says 'Tesla replaced my battery under warranty no worries. And then another person on the internet says 'Tesla didn't keep their word and refused to repair under warranty and I'm suing'. Obviously forum posts are an imperfect research science. So si there another source of data on this that doesn't mix up serious stuff like battery replacement with cosmetic issues. (Not that those are not important, I'm just wondering if it's possible to segment the data at all) Or are opinions generally sentiment driven?
On your depreciation point (earlier post) you’re totally correct, used prices are very much linked to mileage and early 2018 M3 cars in the US have a spread of up to $20k between low mileage and 40k mile cars on the market. I remember seeing a post once that said tyres cost more than fuel on an MS at around 6p a mileEdited by Sambucket on Sunday 1st March 07:23
On battery, the issue with Tesla not doing warranty work is the question of what constitutes a warranty issue. A failed battery there’s no issue, it’s the cases, of which there are lots where Tesla knobbled batteries through software to reduce the risk of total failure and fire. Wake up tomorrow after a software update and find you have lost 20% of your range and 20% of your supercharging speed and you may feel it’s a warranty matter but Tesla dont.
Ok I see, that's reassuring I guess for someone like me who doesn't worry about range, so much as total battery failure. (Though less comfort to those that do of course). Though I was also not opposed to apple to slow down my old iphone 6 to preserve battery life, (though I'm sure it wasn't a totally selfless act on their part). I guess I'm just too trusting!
To try and drill down on the warranty sentiment issue though, can we take the example of roof glass replacements. There are obviously 'lots' of reports of this happening. How do we judge how serious / frequent he problem is? I'm assuming Tesla is replacing 'some' glass under warranty nad refusing others. So how do we judge what the ratio is? I'm not disputing that there is some foiulplay from tesla here, but the ratio of foulplay to repairs is important context.
To try and drill down on the warranty sentiment issue though, can we take the example of roof glass replacements. There are obviously 'lots' of reports of this happening. How do we judge how serious / frequent he problem is? I'm assuming Tesla is replacing 'some' glass under warranty nad refusing others. So how do we judge what the ratio is? I'm not disputing that there is some foiulplay from tesla here, but the ratio of foulplay to repairs is important context.
It’s tricky to get a sense of perspective. The owners group do themselves no favours on all this, lots of people complain on there now, the leadership talk to a Tesla as they have a ‘special relationship’ and even though Tesla just need to look at their records to know the answer they get the owners group to run polls and surveys, the results of which just go down a black hole but give the illusion something active is being done for a while hoping things calm down
The other side of this is there will genuine breakages due to accident/impact damage, but in all my years of car ownership I’ve never come across a crack on anything but the windscreen, side glass normally shatters and rear glass, seems immune. Tesla use a lot more glass so maybe it’s just because of that so we can’t compare and impact damage is a much bigger thing than we’re used to. But equally we know they are getting stress failures.
But I recon it boils down to a service tech on a Friday under a bit of pressure to avoid warranty as Tesla aren’t a charity v an owner who read it’s a common problem and doesn’t want to claim on their insurance trying to second guess what actually caused the fault. There will be occasions when they disagree.
The other side of this is there will genuine breakages due to accident/impact damage, but in all my years of car ownership I’ve never come across a crack on anything but the windscreen, side glass normally shatters and rear glass, seems immune. Tesla use a lot more glass so maybe it’s just because of that so we can’t compare and impact damage is a much bigger thing than we’re used to. But equally we know they are getting stress failures.
But I recon it boils down to a service tech on a Friday under a bit of pressure to avoid warranty as Tesla aren’t a charity v an owner who read it’s a common problem and doesn’t want to claim on their insurance trying to second guess what actually caused the fault. There will be occasions when they disagree.
Sambucket said:
Isn't this a bit faulty logic (which I'm definitely guilty of too). As fuel is only a fraction of the total cost per mile ( If you are paying 40p for milage linked depreciation + tyres or whatever) then saving "10% off" is not a great excuse to put high miles on a car for the sake of it? Or do you take the view you pay for deprecation as a lump sum every year regardless of miles?
How much does it deprecate per mile?Edited by Sambucket on Saturday 29th February 23:58
I’d say it’s anyone’s guess
Sambucket said:
How long is a piece of string? Generally between 50cm and 100cm I'd say. Otherwise it's a ball of string.
Optimistically I'm hoping for 10% - 15% a year. More likely 20 - 25%.
But in most optimistic scenario, deprecation is going to be a significant multiple of fuel cost.
You do know why cars depreciate don’t you?Optimistically I'm hoping for 10% - 15% a year. More likely 20 - 25%.
But in most optimistic scenario, deprecation is going to be a significant multiple of fuel cost.
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