Base Tesla cheaper overall than a £5K barge ?

[Otispunkmeyer]

jamoor said:

They should recall swirl flaps, did they recall the timing chain problem? I don’t actually know.
Oh and rod bearings on M engines.

I think they did do the chain thing on a recall for the N47 diesel engine. I think they might have been a little selective with which cars got included though and the recall was of limited time.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Sambucket said:

Just noticed this. You should have reposted your workings OP if you want relevant info.

You will spend at least double on tyres unless you drive in chill mode.

You are missing VED.

Maintance over 10 years is optimistic. You will save on pads etc, but there will likely be other unforeseen stuff come up. If not the MCU, there is bound to be other stuff unique to Tesla's. As mentioned, no extended warranty does suggest cost of ownershiup will shoot up after 4 years. So for 10 years, worth bumping this up.

My service experience of the 3 has been faultless so far, but I live close to a service centre so probably a factor is where you live vs nearest centre?

WHy omit MOT from the Tesla list?

I don't understand the resale figure?

I would be cautious of basing decision on company car savings. BIK might go up again. Simplified, you only write off the depreciation.

Edited by Sambucket on Tuesday 25th February 09:50

Dont M3's have issue with rust somewhere on the body where the panel touch? (and shouldn't be) or have they fixed that/only affects a few cars that came off the line a little wonky?

[anonymous-user]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Dont M3's have issue with rust somewhere on the body where the panel touch? (and shouldn't be) or have they fixed that/only affects a few cars that came off the line a little wonky?

I live in a wet part of scotland and haven't any rust, panel alignment, or paint issues after (only) 6 months, but it's far too early to tell, and older iterations in the US for eg, might have been built slightly differently. The undercarriage tray for eg is apparently now a new design which is more water resistant.

Worth noting that a relatively tiny amount of cars were outside non-Californian roads before the 3 ramped up. As we head upwards to 500k cars built a year, then hopefully through the growing pains, we will see build quality improve as Tesla become more experienced.

Got to bow out now, but I'll just restate my (limited) experience, that as as far as I can tell, in my opinion, etc, the 2020 model 3 build quality is superb.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th February 14:15

[Smiljan]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Dont M3's have issue with rust somewhere on the body where the panel touch? (and shouldn't be) or have they fixed that/only affects a few cars that came off the line a little wonky?

There were quite a few with the front wing rubbing through the paint just ahead of the front door. Seemed to be a quality issue with some models rushed out during the big push last year. The wing is supposed to have a gap and on some cars there was contact which rubbed through the paint and eventually started surface rust.

Should have all been picked up and sorted through warranty by now.

https://insideevs.com/news/372613/tesla-model-3-ne...

[RobDickinson]

Smiljan said:

There were quite a few with the front wing rubbing through the paint just ahead of the front door. Seemed to be a quality issue with some models rushed out during the big push last year. The wing is supposed to have a gap and on some cars there was contact which rubbed through the paint and eventually started surface rust.

Should have all been picked up and sorted through warranty by now.

https://insideevs.com/news/372613/tesla-model-3-ne...

They changed the design of that area end of last year.

Those costsin the table are from Disney or something?

[gangzoom]

Sambucket said:

Got to bow out now, but I'll just restate my (limited) experience, that as as far as I can tell, in my opinion, etc, the 2020 model 3 build quality is superb.

The same superb build quality that leaves owners stranded in Europe, at least our X broke down in our driveway.

Why some Tesla owners feel the need to endless defend a company for obvious failings is beyond me.

https://youtu.be/IoPye6y2KAM

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

The same superb build quality that leaves owners stranded in Europe, at least our X broke down in our driveway.

Why some Tesla owners feel the need to endless defend a company for obvious failings is beyond me.

https://youtu.be/IoPye6y2KAM

You are an idiot.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th February 19:01

[gangzoom]

Sambucket said:

You are an idiot.

Edited by Sambucket on Tuesday 25th February 19:01

Calling names now? Seriously open your eyes and see what Tesla for who they are, not what the their PR wants you to believe they are.

[RobDickinson]

As opposed to those virtuous German brands?

fk off.

[Chris32345]

ZesPak said:

I've never seen a car doing realistically do 60mpg in any sort of mileage tbh...

I'd it's 70% motorways miles it's very easy

[anonymous-user]

OP, in addition to being wary of angry SX owners derailing your threads. If you do buy a Tesla and find it perfectly reliable, or even worse, find the service prompt, efficient and professional. Then just be careful, it's probably not real, or at best, blind luck. More likely it is just Tesla's PR working it's magic. It may seem like you have bought a car 10x more reliable than a 2nd gen model X, but its really not. If you catch your self experiencing this, just pinch yourself, and snap out of it. You are a being a deluded fool. Maybe watch a bit of Tesla driver to reset.

[RobDickinson]

Its almost like consumerreports , bloombergs 5000+ owner survey etc are lying and that bloke on the internet is right!

[anonymous-user]

tbf Tesla does rank relatively poorly in the early 2019 CR report, but wasnt' that largely due to the model X 'still' dragging down the score?

"the Tesla Model X is among the least reliable models in the survey."

I imagine tesla learnt tons from the 3, and the Y will be more reliable. And the gap between the 3 and Y will probably be as significant as the gap between the 3 and X

[RobDickinson]

Yep huge leap up despite the model X this year.

Due to the car we're talking about in this thread I believe

[granada203028]

gangzoom said:

You can drive any combustion car at the rev red line all the time, which is also a manufacture approved limit, but we all can agree that driving a combustion car to the red line all the time would be abusing the car.

Any kind fo DC rapid charging is bad for batteries, and the rates at which SuperChargers/Ionity deliver electricity is the equivalent of running a combustion engine at the red line for 30-40 minutes non stop. Personally I wouldn't touch any used EVs which has had a large amount of DC charging as its total millage, your storing up problems for the future.

Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 22 February 13:48

So EVs not suitable for long journeys then not even Teslas with their fast charging network because it shortens the life of the battery?

Motoring media, politicians etc get all excited about 100KW + charging just so the cars ware out quicker and manufactures can sell more of them...

[RobDickinson]

using them shortens the battery life, best park it up and walk.

[Evanivitch]

granada203028 said:

So EVs not suitable for long journeys then not even Teslas with their fast charging network because it shortens the life of the battery?

Motoring media, politicians etc get all excited about 100KW + charging just so the cars ware out quicker and manufactures can sell more of them...

They are suitable for long journeys, and can be fast charged many times.

But like all second hand purchases, you do so on the balance of risk.

Just like most people would tell you not to buy a ICE car that has done lots of short journeys. That's ideal for a EV. Or buy an ICE that has missed oil change services. Which you don't need on an EV.

Anyone that buys second hand tries to cover their risk, and yes, there's a risk (or more often a managed decline) in batteries that have seen high numbers of rapid charges.

[gangzoom]

RobDickinson said:

using them shortens the battery life, best park it up and walk.

I've actually started to do this .

Coming up to 100km in 2 weeks, despite all the rain/wind we are getting in the UK.

At 4Wh per mile its 100x more efficient than our Tesla, and if you really care about green issues the 75kWh battery pack from the car is enough to make 300 eBike packs. One car or 300 people on bikes, the maths is quite simple regarding what is a better use of resources.

[RobDickinson]

gangzoom said:

RobDickinson said:

using them shortens the battery life, best park it up and walk.

I've actually started to do this .

Coming up to 100km in 2 weeks, despite all the rain/wind we are getting in the UK.

At 4Wh per mile its 100x more efficient than our Tesla, and if you really care about green issues the 75kWh battery pack from the car is enough to make 300 eBike packs. One car or 300 people on bikes, the maths is quite simple regarding what is a better use of resources.

[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49543223028_3a8d590085_c_d.jpg[/thumb]

That looks nice, not too bad a price either!

I bike but not on roads if I can help it.

[gangzoom]

^The battery is far from cheap though, £250 for replacement pack, with 250wh capacity, so £1000/kWh. Based on that price the cost of a Model 3 LR battery alone would be £75k!!

I'll be interested to see how degredation effects the battery life, I seem to be getting 100km out of the pack in sub 5 degrees C. So even if the pack degrades to 80% after 200 cycles, that's equivalent to 12k miles on the bike, so the pack may out last the rest of the bike anyways.

Best thing about the bike is its keeping the car parked up, and stops me doing unnecessary trips, mileage on the car has dropped by 2/3 in the last 2 weeks.

With reduction in miles on the car there is a chance I can make the 50k mile warranty last 4 years rather than blow through it in 3 years, as ever with EVs, my main problem is using them too much......at least the bike has a unlimited miles warranty + unlimited servicing for the next 3 years .

Edited by gangzoom on Friday 28th February 02:56