Tesla Full Self Driving Test Software Goes Live in U.S
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Lim said:
Heres Johnny said:
That still looks like pure unadulterated moaning to me.He also claims to put men on mars, but that's not a free pass to dismiss space x growing partnership with NASA (eg sending manned capsule to ISS) as a considerable achievement and interesting to follow.
But we've sent men to ISS before havn't we?
Well context matters. This is FSD in a car we all own, with no maps needed. That we can all experience. And that's exciting to some people.
You asked for content, an assessment, something beyond "I've watched a video and it kind of looks cool" and when given it, broken down into tangible function points and capability assessment you still moan. Do you have a problem with fact based articles?
You write something and justify it.
And what is "a type of FSD" - there are clear criteria and Musk talks about robotaxi and mind off, not some form of glorfified driver assistance
Heres Johnny said:
Lim said:
If you seen do nothing but b
h. Why not post some content yourself?
I wrote this last year... h. Why not post some content yourself?https://tesla-info.com/blog/tesla-FSD-feature-comp...
Lim said:
For someone who writes about Tesla you seem to have very little idea what Tesla fans find interesting about following FSD development.
"what Tesla fans.."There's your problem. What you take as a qualified comment because its not giving a fan something doesn't mean its wrong. The truth hurts. If you want a Tesla fanboy site then I suggest you go elsewhere.
I haven't posted a couple of thousand Tesla pumping posts in a couple of months as if I was a paid pro Tesla social media engineer.
I come on here largely to read and educate myself. I'm increasingly not coming on here because of people like yourself who object to anything approaching a fact based assessment as evidenced in this morning. I actually think Pistonheads moved Tesla into its own little spot to try and keep the likes of you away from the alternative fuel area because of the brand tribalism you and others exert at every opportunity.
I come on here largely to read and educate myself. I'm increasingly not coming on here because of people like yourself who object to anything approaching a fact based assessment as evidenced in this morning. I actually think Pistonheads moved Tesla into its own little spot to try and keep the likes of you away from the alternative fuel area because of the brand tribalism you and others exert at every opportunity.
I drop in here and TMC and read the top few posts., Today I read something interesting
Buy you seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder and like so many tesla fan boys prefer a conspiracy theory. I said Pistonheads moved this away from the alternative fuel area, if only I had the power to do it myself!
Buy you seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder and like so many tesla fan boys prefer a conspiracy theory. I said Pistonheads moved this away from the alternative fuel area, if only I had the power to do it myself!
Interesting to see 8.1 doing better with tight mountain twisties. I'd be interested to know if any of these lane keeping improvements will trickle into UK autopilot, or whether forks will be completely separate or not?
https://youtu.be/-Sr_gOeQ9z0?t=551
https://youtu.be/-Sr_gOeQ9z0?t=551
The regulations we work to in Europe have limits on steering input, certainly above driving speeds as opposed to turning left or right at a junction speed. It doesn't matter how good it might be in the US, you have to tackle the legal and legislative restrictions the regulators lay down and to do that its best to work with them.
Are you aware of any dialogue they are having with the regulators?
Are you aware of any dialogue they are having with the regulators?
DrJFoster said:
The regulations we work to in Europe have limits on steering input, certainly above driving speeds as opposed to turning left or right at a junction speed. It doesn't matter how good it might be in the US, you have to tackle the legal and legislative restrictions the regulators lay down and to do that its best to work with them.
Are you aware of any dialogue they are having with the regulators?
I'm not aware specifically about diverging from the UN regs, but there are plenty of noises about making the UK more friendly to experimental FSD research , so wouldn't be surprised to see developments in that area soon which would allow limited testing of FSD beta here, even if we don’t see rules allowing changes to widespread autopilot.Are you aware of any dialogue they are having with the regulators?
As I understand it, the car needs to corner at constant speed without exceeding a certain G force? Which goes someway to explain why the car is so bad at cornering in the UK vs what we see in US?
But re my point about mountain twisties, there are many improvements evident in that video, such as more accurate lanekeeping, and smoothly and gradually slowing down for hairpins, that would be welcome in UK autopilot, that would not breach the above rule.
But it’s a question of whether the forks intersect or not? I suspect the UK ‘fork’ will be neglected. But will the USA autopilot see benefit or will be kept similarly separate? Not sure.
Edited by Lim on Monday 1st March 12:56
A subscription FSD payment system is coming in Q2 apparently.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-full-self-driving-...
I note he didn't say which year
Will it be a yearly sub or something shorter? I can't see it being viable to do less than a year else people will just subscribe when they do long trips and turn it off again when they're not using the car much.
I'm predicting a price that make purchasing in advance cheaper - say £3k a year.
Anyone else have any predictions?
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-full-self-driving-...
I note he didn't say which year
Will it be a yearly sub or something shorter? I can't see it being viable to do less than a year else people will just subscribe when they do long trips and turn it off again when they're not using the car much.
I'm predicting a price that make purchasing in advance cheaper - say £3k a year.
Anyone else have any predictions?
I can't see them launching FSD subscription until the US Beta is a mainstream release and if they do anything I wouldn't be surprised if its US only for a while so won't be coming here this year. The release also seems to be geographically limited and news of progress is being managed. If Tesla release it too soon and you get the less savoury youtubers being idiots causing accidents etc then the reputational side of it will stop being a plus point and start looking like lunacy. Tesla legal council may also be thinking long and hard about that.
I think the master plan was give new M3 owners 3 months free FSD to get them hooked and then get them on a monthly basis when that 3 months ends which will be a few weeks time. Sadly with little to show for it at the moment over EAP I can't see anybody paying a subscription approaching £3k a year but might pay half that if it was for EAP
Once it does something then it might be worth £3k, but subscriptions account for themselves in the here and now and not in future possibility. He might take the view that EAP is £100-£150 a month and then add the FSD bit over and above that slowly ramping up as more features gets added. I'm pretty sure if the car achieved true level 4+ and could pick you up from the pub then £3k a year would be achievable unless the competition had comparable offerings and market forces drive the prices back down. I remember paying £3k for aircon and sat nav once on a car, you'd be hard pressed to find a car without them bundled now.
So my hunch is EAP on subscription, $150 a month and then add FSD only in the US this year when they can release the Beta for a further $150
I think the master plan was give new M3 owners 3 months free FSD to get them hooked and then get them on a monthly basis when that 3 months ends which will be a few weeks time. Sadly with little to show for it at the moment over EAP I can't see anybody paying a subscription approaching £3k a year but might pay half that if it was for EAP
Once it does something then it might be worth £3k, but subscriptions account for themselves in the here and now and not in future possibility. He might take the view that EAP is £100-£150 a month and then add the FSD bit over and above that slowly ramping up as more features gets added. I'm pretty sure if the car achieved true level 4+ and could pick you up from the pub then £3k a year would be achievable unless the competition had comparable offerings and market forces drive the prices back down. I remember paying £3k for aircon and sat nav once on a car, you'd be hard pressed to find a car without them bundled now.
So my hunch is EAP on subscription, $150 a month and then add FSD only in the US this year when they can release the Beta for a further $150
Lim said:
Interesting to see 8.1 doing better with tight mountain twisties. I'd be interested to know if any of these lane keeping improvements will trickle into UK autopilot
The biggest 'news' Elon tweeted recently that may actually be useful is the idea they are going to implement neural networks that can track objects across all cameras but with a degree of understanding thats the laws of physics apply.So if the side camera 'sees' a lorry, than its impossible for that lorry to suddenly appear in front of the car regardless of what the main camera 'sees', therefore triggering a phantom brake episode.
The stuff FSD beta is doing is actually pretty crazy, squeezing between cars, negotiating right of way in narrow lanes, but they have learnt from the past. If they released it now idiots will be filming videos live streaming to world straight away, including the inevitable accident.
The standard AP right now is useless due to phantom events, it literally is scared of its own shadow. Maybe that is Tesla's grand plan. Force everyone to pay for FSD code just to get regular AP to work.
gangzoom said:
The standard AP right now is useless due to phantom events, it literally is scared of its own shadow. Maybe that is Tesla's grand plan. Force everyone to pay for FSD code just to get regular AP to work.
I won't use autopilot (cruise control) if there is anyone behind me - too risky. I am not a techie, but I would have thought that whatever code goes into autopilot must make up a good part of the FSD code. In which case, FSD would be just as flakey.NDA said:
I won't use autopilot (cruise control) if there is anyone behind me - too risky. I am not a techie, but I would have thought that whatever code goes into autopilot must make up a good part of the FSD code. In which case, FSD would be just as flakey.
The FSD beta code base is suppose to be totally different to the current AP offerings. It's still current does phantom braking, and in videos you can actually see for a split second the car sudden 'thinks' there is an obstruction in front of it which then triggers a phantom event. In theory what Tesla is doing by making the car understand its physically impossible for a truck to appear in front of the car when 0.1 seconds ago the road was clear *should* help solve these events. But it will mean Tesla have to be brave enough to have code that overwrites visual inputs and assume the cars CPUs understanding of real world physics is real, and there really isn't a truck in front of you........
gangzoom said:
NDA said:
I won't use autopilot (cruise control) if there is anyone behind me - too risky. I am not a techie, but I would have thought that whatever code goes into autopilot must make up a good part of the FSD code. In which case, FSD would be just as flakey.
The FSD beta code base is suppose to be totally different to the current AP offerings. It's still current does phantom braking, and in videos you can actually see for a split second the car sudden 'thinks' there is an obstruction in front of it which then triggers a phantom event. In theory what Tesla is doing by making the car understand its physically impossible for a truck to appear in front of the car when 0.1 seconds ago the road was clear *should* help solve these events. But it will mean Tesla have to be brave enough to have code that overwrites visual inputs and assume the cars CPUs understanding of real world physics is real, and there really isn't a truck in front of you........
It’s going in for a free FSD upgrade in a couple of weeks - I think this will be the HW3 computer upgrade - so it’ll be interesting to see if that improves it.
I’ve watched the videos of the specially selected Teslas navigating deserted streets with lanes as wide as a UK dual carriageway and it mostly looks very clever but in the UK parked cars, bus stop road markings, oncoming traffic straddling the centre of the road and so on all mean emergency stops and potentially getting rear ended if you’re not really concentrating and ready to take control or switch in and out of AP at every hazard. It’s very clever but there’s a long way to go!
andy43 said:
It’s going in for a free FSD upgrade in a couple of weeks - I think this will be the HW3 computer upgrade - so it’ll be interesting to see if that improves it.
It doesn't improve anything, phantom events are just as common post HW3 upgrade on my car.The FSD beta code isn't in any UK cars as far as I know, and Elons latest promise on code rewrite suggests its not even at a stage to be pushed to those on the FSD beta programme.
As ever with Tesla you never know if they will deliver on their promise or not. I remember people saying CCS adaptors were impossibility, and MCU2 updates were never going to happen. Equally Tesla promised battery pack retrofits and there are zero signs of that.
FSD is still the biggest unknown, I doubt we will find out the answer in 2021.
andy43 said:
I’ve watched the videos of the specially selected Teslas navigating deserted streets with lanes as wide as a UK dual carriageway l
Around 12 minutes you see the latest FSD beta code trying to work out what to do when faced with incoming traffic and a single lane. Driver needed to intervene but a half decent attempt, the code isn't quite there yet but its far better than the rubbish currently sitting in our cars.https://youtu.be/avuqWRgW7Ao
I wonder how many people genuinely need FSD? I regard it as a bit of a gimmick to be honest - I can see people want it because it's there and they want every available toy. In my case, I like driving rather than being driven, so I wouldn't pay for it. It's currently free on my Tesla (a promotion on my new car) but I don't use it.
But cruise control is handy and Tesla need to get this right. It's not relaxing to know that your car is going to slam on the brakes at any second.
But cruise control is handy and Tesla need to get this right. It's not relaxing to know that your car is going to slam on the brakes at any second.
gangzoom said:
andy43 said:
I’ve watched the videos of the specially selected Teslas navigating deserted streets with lanes as wide as a UK dual carriageway l
Around 12 minutes you see the latest FSD beta code trying to work out what to do when faced with incoming traffic and a single lane. Driver needed to intervene but a half decent attempt, the code isn't quite there yet but its far better than the rubbish currently sitting in our cars.https://youtu.be/avuqWRgW7Ao
CCS being fitted at the same time
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