Chris Harris discussing new Tesla Model S 'Plaid'

[ashenfie]

I think EV are 3-4 years away from I would buying one. I would be looking for an electric cross-over with 400-500 miles real range <40K new. I would be punching 2nd hand thu. and expect 10years life span. 0-60 don't care, cost per mile - don't care. Self drive - Don't need or want. Reasonable servicing good 50-70 for over taking and can go around a corners what else could you want. Tesla are simple too US centric with the Model 3.

[NDA]

I always think it's funny that EV drivers get typecast so quickly - as if it's their only car.

I've had multiple cars - Murcielago, Ford GT, Vanquish etc and I have a Tesla too. It's a good car, very easy to own compared to anything else I've had. It's always full of volts and is comfortable and swift.

I will use my V8's for drives I want to enjoy - but for daily driving, the Tesla is quite hard to beat. Despite what non owners may bang on about.

[Heres Johnny]

NDA said:

I always think it's funny that EV drivers get typecast so quickly - as if it's their only car.

I've had multiple cars - Murcielago, Ford GT, Vanquish etc and I have a Tesla too. It's a good car, very easy to own compared to anything else I've had. It's always full of volts and is comfortable and swift.

I will use my V8's for drives I want to enjoy - but for daily driving, the Tesla is quite hard to beat. Despite what non owners may bang on about.

I think its the other way round. There are some Tesla owners who only have one car and who say its the best car you can own for driving, yet by your own admission you don't take it when you want to enjoy the drive.

I've had a Tesla for 6 years, an MS P90DL for over 3, its the fastest car in a straight line I own by some considerable margin, but I've not once got up in a morning and thought I fancy a spirited drive out in the countryside, I'll take the Tesla. I don't think increasing its power from 700 odd bhp or whatever its meant to have to 1000bhp would change that at all. The Aston with its lowly 430 bhp on the other hand is still tub of lard compared to the Elise I once owned but gives something the Tesla can't.

[SWoll]

Heres Johnny said:

I think its the other way round. There are some Tesla owners who only have one car and who say its the best car you can own for driving, yet by your own admission you don't take it when you want to enjoy the drive.

I've had a Tesla for 6 years, an MS P90DL for over 3, its the fastest car in a straight line I own by some considerable margin, but I've not once got up in a morning and thought I fancy a spirited drive out in the countryside, I'll take the Tesla. I don't think increasing its power from 700 odd bhp or whatever its meant to have to 1000bhp would change that at all. The Aston with its lowly 430 bhp on the other hand is still tub of lard compared to the Elise I once owned but gives something the Tesla can't.

The Model S was never really pitched as a drivers car though to be fair? Far too big and heavy for the job (2250KG?).

The Model 3 is better suited and have been known to go out for a drive just for the sake of it on numerous occasions but certainly not the best car you can own purely for driving, even in the mid sized 4 door saloon sector (Giulia QF anyone?).

[bigothunter]

Lincsls1 said:

Smiljan said:

The EU and Uk are adopting it too, New cars getting type approval after May 2022 have to have them and models type approved before that but still being made have to have it by 2024.

If you wonder why lots of cars are getting traffic sign recognition built in, wonder no more, it’s mandated to bleep and flash over the speed limit until you or the car reduce speed back down to or below the signed limit.

Welcome to the future

Don't worry, there will be an off button I'm sure.

Accelerator pedal effort will increase to make life uncomfortable if you exceed posted limits. There is no off button.

After an introduction phase to promote acceptance, intent is to make speed limiters 'hard' so you cannot physically exceed the legal limit. Hard limiters have been installed in trucks and some vans for many years. Cars are next.

[Heres Johnny]

SWoll said:

Heres Johnny said:

I think its the other way round. There are some Tesla owners who only have one car and who say its the best car you can own for driving, yet by your own admission you don't take it when you want to enjoy the drive.

I've had a Tesla for 6 years, an MS P90DL for over 3, its the fastest car in a straight line I own by some considerable margin, but I've not once got up in a morning and thought I fancy a spirited drive out in the countryside, I'll take the Tesla. I don't think increasing its power from 700 odd bhp or whatever its meant to have to 1000bhp would change that at all. The Aston with its lowly 430 bhp on the other hand is still tub of lard compared to the Elise I once owned but gives something the Tesla can't.

The Model S was never really pitched as a drivers car though to be fair? Far too big and heavy for the job (2250KG?).

The Model 3 is better suited and have been known to go out for a drive just for the sake of it on numerous occasions but certainly not the best car you can own purely for driving, even in the mid sized 4 door saloon sector (Giulia QF anyone?).

The thread isn't about the Model 3 though.

Some are saying that more power makes it more of a drivers car. Chris Harris doesn't think that, and by your own words you don't think the MS is a drivers car either. So what point is 1000bhp other than a traffic light show boat that makes people feel sick and willy waving if its not great to drive? Its akin to AMG S class mercs but without the luxury or refinement.

[Lincsls1]

bigothunter said:

Accelerator pedal effort will increase to make life uncomfortable if you exceed posted limits. There is no off button.

After an introduction phase to promote acceptance, intent is to make speed limiters 'hard' so you cannot physically exceed the legal limit. Hard limiters have been installed in trucks and some vans for many years. Cars are next.

These 'hard' limiters will all be software based, and software can be cracked. It'll not take long for those in the know to get around these limiters and make a pretty penny doing so.

[Yeti97]

Worrying when in x-years time everyone will have cars capable of 0-60 in ballistic times. Launching full force onto a roundabout to get into a "gap". Suddenly increasing impact speeds for tighter environments. Maybe "we can't have nice things" so will just be a full auto-pilot to stop this kind of thing. You suddenly find a population with access to Sport Bike performance but weighing 2 tonnes. We will be getting some serious crashes in odd places.

[bigothunter]

Lincsls1 said:

bigothunter said:

Accelerator pedal effort will increase to make life uncomfortable if you exceed posted limits. There is no off button.

After an introduction phase to promote acceptance, intent is to make speed limiters 'hard' so you cannot physically exceed the legal limit. Hard limiters have been installed in trucks and some vans for many years. Cars are next.

These 'hard' limiters will all be software based, and software can be cracked. It'll not take long for those in the know to get around these limiters and make a pretty penny doing so.

Yes that will happen

With all those speed cameras in town, hard or even soft limiters could prevent speeding fines in zones which feel absurdly slow. My son was nicked for doing 38mph on a wide open road at 5:00am in the morning because he wasn't glued to the speedo.

But on dual carriageways, other cars will be travelling exactly at the speed limit. So truck elephant racing which blocks the road for miles at constant 56mph will be supplemented by cars doing the same thing at 70mph. Your illegal de-limited car will be stuck in the long queue behind

This new 'safety' measure is going to be fun

Edited by bigothunter on Thursday 8th April 17:45

[bigothunter]

Yeti97 said:

Worrying when in x-years time everyone will have cars capable of 0-60 in ballistic times. Launching full force onto a roundabout to get into a "gap". Suddenly increasing impact speeds for tighter environments. Maybe "we can't have nice things" so will just be a full auto-pilot to stop this kind of thing. You suddenly find a population with access to Sport Bike performance but weighing 2 tonnes. We will be getting some serious crashes in odd places.

With all the focus on strict obedience of speed limits, surely maximum acceleration will be limited too?

Something around 0.5g max (0-60 in 5.4s) ?

[Heres Johnny]

It’s all academic - we won’t be driving, Musk has told us we’ll be letting the car do that

[bigothunter]

Heres Johnny said:

It’s all academic - we won’t be driving, Musk has told us we’ll be letting the car do that

Eventually you will be right, just a matter of time

[Yeti97]

bigothunter said:

surely maximum acceleration will be limited too?

Seems it will end that way if this kind of acceleration trickles down to all electric cars of the future. Will have to wait and see I guess!

[dvshannow]

NDA said:

I always think it's funny that EV drivers get typecast so quickly - as if it's their only car.

I've had multiple cars - Murcielago, Ford GT, Vanquish etc and I have a Tesla too. It's a good car, very easy to own compared to anything else I've had. It's always full of volts and is comfortable and swift.

I will use my V8's for drives I want to enjoy - but for daily driving, the Tesla is quite hard to beat. Despite what non owners may bang on about.

Exactly typecasting EV drivers as wanting to save the planet when it’s just another toy in the garage ... some people

On more serious note I do think the massive speed jump coming from these EVs + further removal from driving experience and focus on self driving tech by certain manufacturers will certainly end up in a big fall in our ability to enjoy driving in the way many PHers have been for decades

[tuscan_raider]

Interesting

Anyone know more about his mates 356-based offering in Coenwall?