Tesla unlikely to Survive (Vol. 3)
Discussion
NDA said:
I also like my Range Rover - no idea who the CEO is.
?? Ok. Why would a model have its own CEO?Why did you even bother posting on here, you like your car I get it. So do thousands of others.
We’re bickering in here about the ins and outs of the company Tesla and how it’s lunatic boss and similarly lunatic stock pumping followers may or may not be trying to swindle money out of folk with lies, lies and more lies.
It’s all irrelevant nonsense backed with very little facts from either side but I’m doubtful you as an owner would seek out such a thread and make comments about the car having nothing to do with Musk without yourself having been sucked into the cult. The cult that just has to defend against any negativity and covers up any flaws in the cars with “I love my Tesla but” comments.
Would you say Tesla now as a maturing company would be worse or better off without Musk and his Hitler memes, fart noises, and fake autonomy promises?
Smiljan said:
Would you say Tesla now as a maturing company would be worse or better off without Musk and his Hitler memes, fart noises, and fake autonomy promises?
Hey, don't take fart noises away.My boys love them.
As I said above, I don't think many owners care about Musk being in charge, just like most Windows users didn't feel strongly when Gates stepped down.
I do believe that his promises are what's keeping the stock that high.
Edited by ZesPak on Tuesday 22 February 08:54
Smiljan said:
yourself having been sucked into the cult. The cult that just has to defend against any negativity and covers up any flaws in the cars with “I love my Tesla but” comments.
I must therefore also be in the 'cult' of Lamborghini, Bentley, Aston, Morgan, Ford and numerous other cars I own or have owned.My point, in a thread about Tesla being unlikely to survive, is simply that many owners don't really connect their daily driven Tesla to the personality of the CEO. It's immaterial. As to flaws in the cars - as an owner, I am interested to read about them. Particularly as I haven't spotted any in mine. In fact far less (zero in fact) than any other cars I've owned.
Does this mean I've been "sucked into a cult" - in your mind maybe. Not in mine. It's a car. I have an iPhone - I assume I've been sucked into Apple's cult? Where does it end?
ZesPak said:
Hey, don't take fart noises away.
My boys love them.
As I said above, I don't think many owners care about Musk being in charge, just like most Windows users didn't feel strongly when Gates stepped down.
I do believe that his promises are what's keeping the stock that high.
I promise not to campaign to take away the fart noises My boys love them.
As I said above, I don't think many owners care about Musk being in charge, just like most Windows users didn't feel strongly when Gates stepped down.
I do believe that his promises are what's keeping the stock that high.
Edited by ZesPak on Tuesday 22 February 08:54
I’d agree with all of the above. He has a formula which is tried and tested and it’s worked well, over promise to bring in funds (both personal and company wealth) and then achieve some of those promises to a great enough degree to ensure the money keeps flowing in on the back of the ones that fail.
What Musk has built and achieved over the last 20 years particularly with Spacex is absolutely incredible and I’m of the opinion that very few people have the same drive to achieve the same. He really is in a special category of people but the company is tied far to much to his flawed character and I personally think it would be better for them to let the grown ups take the company on its next journey. Kind of like Apple after jobs.
This would have the positive effect of freeing up Musk to concentrate fully on Spacex. It is in a difficult financial position. Their main customer is themselves, the need the ship to work to launch starlink profitably and that program although NASA funded is also gobbling up money at a truly incredible rate.
I want them to succeed and I think Musk being away from Tesla would help make that more a reality.
If he mentions possible bankruptcy at Spacex (as he has) however remote that is you know he thinks it’s possible and is covering himself by publicly saying so.
I do however also think he will never let go of the helm at Tesla as it’s his baby, understandably it would be hard to do so.
Sadly I see the same rabid pack fans for Spacex (because Musk) as I do for Tesla and it’s a big red flag for me when I try to read any news or facts about the either company.
NDA said:
I must therefore also be in the 'cult' of Lamborghini, Bentley, Aston, Morgan, Ford and numerous other cars I own or have owned.
My point, in a thread about Tesla being unlikely to survive, is simply that many owners don't really connect their daily driven Tesla to the personality of the CEO. It's immaterial. As to flaws in the cars - as an owner, I am interested to read about them. Particularly as I haven't spotted any in mine. In fact far less (zero in fact) than any other cars I've owned.
Does this mean I've been "sucked into a cult" - in your mind maybe. Not in mine. It's a car. I have an iPhone - I assume I've been sucked into Apple's cult? Where does it end?
I haven’t seen you posting weird stuff in lambo or iPhone threads so presumably I wouldn’t even need to think about calling you a fan boy cult member.My point, in a thread about Tesla being unlikely to survive, is simply that many owners don't really connect their daily driven Tesla to the personality of the CEO. It's immaterial. As to flaws in the cars - as an owner, I am interested to read about them. Particularly as I haven't spotted any in mine. In fact far less (zero in fact) than any other cars I've owned.
Does this mean I've been "sucked into a cult" - in your mind maybe. Not in mine. It's a car. I have an iPhone - I assume I've been sucked into Apple's cult? Where does it end?
Still don’t believe you associate anything about your Tesla with Musk - why else would you seek out this discussion?
The real Tesla owners who don’t care and just treat it as white goods really don’t venture into forum chats about Tesla. It’s that simple.
Like the old saying goes - the lady doth protest too much
Edited by Smiljan on Tuesday 22 February 10:09
Smiljan said:
If he mentions possible bankruptcy at Spacex (as he has) however remote that is you know he thinks it’s possible and is covering himself by publicly saying so.
I think it has more to do with leverage with his customers and trying to make a point about costs and how much he charges them, how quickly they award contracts, payment terms etc. It's part of his negotiation strategy. Either buy now or we might not be here tomorrow, and your alternative will be hefty delays with another supplier. Margins are really thin.. honest.. look we've told people we might go under. He's likes to give the impression he's always living on the knife edge and either do what he wants, go with his decisions, or the stack of cards will crumble.The owners club do volunteer work helping hand over cars because tesla can't scale quickly enough, or so they say. What a laugh that is. Tesla, market cap the size of the top 5 auto companies added together, made $5 billion last year, but can't employ a few people in the UK to hand over cars properly?
Can you imagine apple stores being full of unpaid apple fanboys talking to customers about their new products and helping them?
This is what he's good at. Creating a seige mentality amongst his faithful and generating free publicity.
Smiljan said:
Still don’t believe you associate anything about your Tesla with Musk - why else would you seek out this discussion?
I haven't really sought it out - it's the number one thread in EV & Alternative Fuels. Right at the top most days. Hard to miss. No detective work involved.I genuinely don't associate my car with Musk. Not in the way you imply. I know who he is, but that has nothing to do with my driving enjoyment. The same way that whoever is in charge of JLR is associated with my ownership of their products. I am neither a fan or an objector. Just a car.
Is this weird? Should I buy into a deeper philosophy around the brand and its leadership? Is it OK to just have it as a car without this? Am I missing out on this cult thing?
yes you’re missing out. Beware the supercharger stop with the lurking nutters who want to talk about their identical car and how amazing Lord Musk is for Tesla.Glad you take my posts for what they are just gentle ribbing of the nuttiest owners. You it seems are not (yet) one of the converted.
I’m probably one of the nutters, I don’t even own one any more and I’m still on here
Edited by Smiljan on Tuesday 22 February 10:53
Smiljan said:
yes you’re missing out. Beware the supercharger stop with the lurking nutters who want to talk about their identical car and how amazing Lord Musk is for Tesla.Smiljan said:
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Glad you take my posts for what they are just gentle ribbing of the nuttiest owners. You it seems are not (yet) one of the converted.
Yes indeed and no I am not. I abhor the type of guff that Tim Cook etc spout, the false sincerity ... Definitely not an acolyte of Mr Musk - just happy with the car.Glad you take my posts for what they are just gentle ribbing of the nuttiest owners. You it seems are not (yet) one of the converted.
NDA said:
My point, in a thread about Tesla being unlikely to survive, is simply that many owners don't really connect their daily driven Tesla to the personality of the CEO. It's immaterial. As to flaws in the cars - as an owner, I am interested to read about them. Particularly as I haven't spotted any in mine. In fact far less (zero in fact) than any other cars I've owned.
Yeah, threads start with one title and usually take a massive diversion on the way - so thats a little unfair....
But you raise a good point - the vast amount of buyers of Teslas just wanted a car, nothing more. Its a method of transport that fits with their requirements, and thats great. Its a very small percentage of these buyers who ruin it for everyone else who end up associating their identity with a car, Musk and the whole 'disruptor' thing. These people end up so wrapped up in the whole thing that they cant see reality.
Its stuff like "stop calling software updates recalls, its hitting the stock price" on Twitter (thats real by the way). Thats insane! And then there is whole "you are a shill for big oil / legacy auto / big dealerships" when you ever offer a counter view or criticism on Tesla. And dont even get me started on the "short seller" crap.
Its this stuff that riles up some, me included, who just want to bring a little reality to those who cant see it (or wont see it). However, as you say, the vast number of Tesla buyers just want a car and are happy with their purchase. And thats cool. They are actually very good cars and I personally want to see them succeed on the basis of that - not some cult-like behavior - as I do genuinely believe that as standalone products, they are extremely good. I want to see choice, personal opinions and reasoned debate.
Oh, and I do remember a comment previously on PH - I lamented the lack of color choice with Tesla, a clear cost saving exercise and a big disappointment for me. And the response from a Tesla fan boy? Just wrap it. Errr, you are kidding right? Why the hell cant I select a color that I want when dropping $60k on a car? Just one of 5 colors and two interior colors - and I hate white by the way.... thats BS and that comment summed up the whole thing. Hell, BMW offers 11 different exterior colors on the i4! Anyway, time to get off my soap box.
Smiljan said:
and its about 6 years old now
There are so many to choose from though it's best to stick to the one everyone's seen
People have happily driven around with an explosive liquid under their car for decades so not sure where the EV battery fire hype comes from given there are far more ICE car fires than EV fires per mile driven.There are so many to choose from though it's best to stick to the one everyone's seen
It’s like folk that suddenly become passionate environmentalists and child labour specialists because their status quo feels threatened!
How many EV's on the road? Average age?
Burning batteries (see GM Bolt / Tesla / Zoe / Kona) are a bit of an issue given they can happen while the car isn't in use and even burn down the house. Most ICE cars (no stats) I'd imagine come as the result of accident damage or aging components leading to leaks.
It has been an issue, to say it's fine because cars have always caught fire is a little stupid.
Not sure what blathering about environmentalists has to do with burning Tesla's though - care to elaborate?
Burning batteries (see GM Bolt / Tesla / Zoe / Kona) are a bit of an issue given they can happen while the car isn't in use and even burn down the house. Most ICE cars (no stats) I'd imagine come as the result of accident damage or aging components leading to leaks.
It has been an issue, to say it's fine because cars have always caught fire is a little stupid.
Not sure what blathering about environmentalists has to do with burning Tesla's though - care to elaborate?
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