Tesla unlikely to Survive (Vol. 3)
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Heres Johnny said:
Smiljan said:
Takemeaway said:
For the the majority of car drivers....................Tesla remains aspirational
I know the sun is hot today but this really did make me laugh out loud.When there's much to be critical about Tesla which you discover after you've ordered (ie delivery experience is better at a food bank, service is hit and miss, technology is nowhere near as good as people believe, that type of thing), and yet people still flock to buy them as the defacto choice for an EV, then what would you call it?
Yes some people for whatever reason worship Tesla and they'll aspire to get one no matter what.
But they don't represent the majority of drivers! No brand is aspired to by the majority, that's why there is space for so many brands.
Fwiw I think Tesla's represent decent value for money, I'm not anti Tesla. But they don't appeal to every second driver on the road. The majority of drivers right now probably don't aspire to any EV, a lot of people don't want to switch - for whatever reasons.
A number of people in a small social circle isn’t the majority of drivers - it’s anecdotal
I’m sure if you go to a pensioners knitting circle they’ll all rave over the Nissan Note or Honda Jazz. That doesn’t in turn mean everyone aspires to have one. It’s ludicrous and typical of made up statements by the Tesla weirdos.
It’s almost as bad as the muppets that lease a Tesla for £600 a month to save £100 on fuel.
If you like one buy one and enjoy it no problem but don’t feel the need to join a cult and make up baseless statements to somehow defend the company.
I’m sure if you go to a pensioners knitting circle they’ll all rave over the Nissan Note or Honda Jazz. That doesn’t in turn mean everyone aspires to have one. It’s ludicrous and typical of made up statements by the Tesla weirdos.
It’s almost as bad as the muppets that lease a Tesla for £600 a month to save £100 on fuel.
If you like one buy one and enjoy it no problem but don’t feel the need to join a cult and make up baseless statements to somehow defend the company.
Edited by Smiljan on Friday 17th June 15:32
Smiljan said:
A number of people in a small social circle isn’t the majority of drivers - it’s anecdotal
I’m sure if you go to a pensioners knitting circle they’ll all rave over the Nissan Note or Honda Jazz. That doesn’t in turn mean everyone aspires to have one. It’s ludicrous and typical of made up statements by the Tesla weirdos.
It’s almost as bad as the muppets that lease a Tesla for £600 a month to save £100 on fuel.
If you like one buy one and enjoy it no problem but don’t feel the need to join a cult and make up baseless statements to somehow defend the company.
The second best selling car in 2021 isn't anecdotal, then consider the price of one compared to the other 9 in the top 10I’m sure if you go to a pensioners knitting circle they’ll all rave over the Nissan Note or Honda Jazz. That doesn’t in turn mean everyone aspires to have one. It’s ludicrous and typical of made up statements by the Tesla weirdos.
It’s almost as bad as the muppets that lease a Tesla for £600 a month to save £100 on fuel.
If you like one buy one and enjoy it no problem but don’t feel the need to join a cult and make up baseless statements to somehow defend the company.
Edited by Smiljan on Friday 17th June 15:32
You think people are spending 600 a month to save 100 or might they actually want the car and it saves 100 a month in fuel
I think they're stupid, but that doesn't mean they don't see the car as aspirational just like loads of people get suckered into celebrity culture and influencers who talk rubbish
Edited by Heres Johnny on Friday 17th June 15:39
Smiljan said:
Cmon cherry picking my words out of context isn’t helping.
I thought better of you,
I'm just making the point that just because you and I have both smelt the coffee when it comes to Tesla and feel the market cap is madness, the musk promises are pie in the sky, the product is ok but no longer revolutionary, the supercharger network is opening up to all and no longer a differentiator, that Musk is now subject to more law suits than Harvey Weinstein and Kevon Spacey added together, doesn't mean lots of people aren't still taken in by all the glitter on the model, and as a result they're paying 50k a pop and making it second only to a cheap as chips Corsa in the UK.I thought better of you,
Do I think they're sensible following the sheep? No, not really. Maybe if its not "aspirational" its seen as "safe" to buy a Tesla, but lots of "I don't really care what car we have" families are influenced by kids who want to play stupid games, make the car fart, look at the company tax and think they're getting a 50 grands worth of quality car on the cheap and so get one.
I read other forums and you see people arrive, get excited, chase after a car, wait longingly for the boat to arrive, ignore the foibles and still think its the best car you can get, and then slowly lose the will to live. Not everyone, but there are plenty that really invested emotionally in the purchase like they've done with no car previously, and some (not all) get pretty fed up with the product. These people are not pistonheads types, they're people who have never noticed in the last 20 years that their car would leave a trail of fluid underneath in hot weather from the aircon, or bother checking tyre pressures, and yet suddenly they're asking pretty trivial questions about car ownership while telling their mates to buy one.
The guy at the pub isn't proof that all are like this, but he's a pilot, a bright bloke, asked me all about them, I told him the truth as I see it, it surprised him, but he still went and bought one, he wanted to get it out of his system (as aside, 6 months later and he wants out).. Thats the type of "aspirational" we're talking about. They don't really know why, but they want one.
Smiljan said:
Takemeaway said:
For the the majority of car drivers....................Tesla remains aspirational
I know the sun is hot today but this really did make me laugh out loud.For the first time a few weeks ago I was impressed with a Tesla, it was the M3 Performance with boost and power upgrades?? It felt so much quicker than the normal performance one which is far from slow but has still not converted me.
South tdf said:
Smiljan said:
Takemeaway said:
For the the majority of car drivers....................Tesla remains aspirational
I know the sun is hot today but this really did make me laugh out loud.For the first time a few weeks ago I was impressed with a Tesla, it was the M3 Performance with boost and power upgrades?? It felt so much quicker than the normal performance one which is far from slow but has still not converted me.
On a Model 3 Performance??
You clearly know your subject. Was it a bespoke one delivered by Elon himself?
FeelingLucky said:
Boost and Power upgrades??
On a Model 3 Performance??
You clearly know your subject. Was it a bespoke one delivered by Elon himself?
Clearly a Tesla driver… Unlike you I don’t spend my time worshiping the church of Elon hence the question mark after the two items. On a Model 3 Performance??
You clearly know your subject. Was it a bespoke one delivered by Elon himself?
I am just passing on what the bloke at the Tesla service centre was prattling on about when I mentioned it was quick. All I know is it was a lot quicker than the Performance I swapped it over for.
South tdf said:
I am not a Tesla fanboy and choose not to have one but for nearly all the under 30’s in our company the only goal is a company Model 3. If they do well they get one and but have to take the hubcaps off, if they do really well they are allowed the alloys!
For the first time a few weeks ago I was impressed with a Tesla, it was the M3 Performance with boost and power upgrades?? It felt so much quicker than the normal performance one which is far from slow but has still not converted me.
Don’t tell me IT sales?For the first time a few weeks ago I was impressed with a Tesla, it was the M3 Performance with boost and power upgrades?? It felt so much quicker than the normal performance one which is far from slow but has still not converted me.
South tdf said:
FeelingLucky said:
Boost and Power upgrades??
On a Model 3 Performance??
You clearly know your subject. Was it a bespoke one delivered by Elon himself?
Clearly a Tesla driver… Unlike you I don’t spend my time worshiping the church of Elon hence the question mark after the two items. On a Model 3 Performance??
You clearly know your subject. Was it a bespoke one delivered by Elon himself?
I am just passing on what the bloke at the Tesla service centre was prattling on about when I mentioned it was quick. All I know is it was a lot quicker than the Performance I swapped it over for.
Acceleration Boost is the only performance upgrade available, and it's only available on the Model 3 Long Range.
Which is still marginally slower than the Performance.
No performance boosts are available for the "Performance"
Are you secretly WelshBeef?
Edited by FeelingLucky on Friday 17th June 22:11
FeelingLucky said:
Never happened.
Acceleration Boost is the only performance upgrade available, and it's only available on the Model 3 Long Range.
Which is still marginally slower than the Performance.
No performance boosts are available for the "Performance"
Are you secretly WelshBeef?
Which bit never happened?Acceleration Boost is the only performance upgrade available, and it's only available on the Model 3 Long Range.
Which is still marginally slower than the Performance.
No performance boosts are available for the "Performance"
Are you secretly WelshBeef?
Edited by FeelingLucky on Friday 17th June 22:11
If you fancy a trip to Tesla at Winchester feel free to meet me there and you can ask them what their loan car has (it was a white 69 reg), Maybe it just has the acceleration boost.
If you read what I wrote you will see I relayed what the bloke told me when I asked why it’s so fast, maybe I misunderstood what he said, again, hence me putting question marks after the two packs.
Just to leave you frothing at the mouth I think it had more modern upgraded wheels than were available at the time.
South tdf said:
FeelingLucky said:
Never happened.
Acceleration Boost is the only performance upgrade available, and it's only available on the Model 3 Long Range.
Which is still marginally slower than the Performance.
No performance boosts are available for the "Performance"
Are you secretly WelshBeef?
Which bit never happened?Acceleration Boost is the only performance upgrade available, and it's only available on the Model 3 Long Range.
Which is still marginally slower than the Performance.
No performance boosts are available for the "Performance"
Are you secretly WelshBeef?
Edited by FeelingLucky on Friday 17th June 22:11
If you fancy a trip to Tesla at Winchester feel free to meet me there and you can ask them what their loan car has (it was a white 69 reg), Maybe it just has the acceleration boost.
If you read what I wrote you will see I relayed what the bloke told me when I asked why it’s so fast, maybe I misunderstood what he said, again, hence me putting question marks after the two packs.
Just to leave you frothing at the mouth I think it had more modern upgraded wheels than were available at the time.
If the model 3 performance had a power boost it would be all over the internet within seconds.
You can get the power boost on the Model 3 dual motor.
CoolHands said:
Is there an actual Elon musk thread somewhere or is this it? Wondering about his ai robot unveiling
Here's fine, its presented by Tesla as a possible new product. Really this is all you need to know and why Musk is trying to make this. 
I haven't watched all of the presentation but the robot was hilarious. First they brought out a bot cobbled together with off the shelf components from other companies with an autopilot computer and some fans bolted to its chest. Then they wheeled out the Tesla prototype which couldn't walk or move and could on wave it's arm feebly at the crowd.
The promises so far are as usual, a stretch. Avail in less than 3 years fully functioning for $20k with a 2.3kwh battery and full AI capable of human tasks.
Place your pre-orders now suckers. Seems like a bargain considering Tesla FSD beta costs £6800, this thing will be able to drive you around using the same AI for just $20k.
All in jest of course, I realise it's just a project idea.
Edited by Smiljan on Saturday 1st October 13:07
The first 'semis' are due to be delivered to Pepsi by December. https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Tesla+Semi&...
Very little fanfare, however.
Is there a reason for this?
Very little fanfare, however.
Is there a reason for this?
Nothing has been said about how many trucks they are delivering. Could easily be one, sold as a demo unit for Pepsi to trial.
I can't really work out how a semi with however much KG in batteries just so it can haul the other X KG of cargo more than 300 miles before it needs to recharge can work, but to honest I also can't be bothered to look into it too much. Everything Elon pitches nowadays seems to be smoke and mirrors or vaporware that it is genuinely tiring.
I can't really work out how a semi with however much KG in batteries just so it can haul the other X KG of cargo more than 300 miles before it needs to recharge can work, but to honest I also can't be bothered to look into it too much. Everything Elon pitches nowadays seems to be smoke and mirrors or vaporware that it is genuinely tiring.
Interestingly, if the Semi can truly deliver 2kWh/mile then it may yet be cheaper than a diesel truck if charged at base, even with the price hikes - but only if electricity doesn’t breach 37.5p / kWh including VAT.
But the theoretical running cost benefit is much thinner than it once was.
But the theoretical running cost benefit is much thinner than it once was.
skwdenyer said:
Interestingly, if the Semi can truly deliver 2kWh/mile then it may yet be cheaper than a diesel truck if charged at base, even with the price hikes - but only if electricity doesn’t breach 37.5p / kWh including VAT.
But the theoretical running cost benefit is much thinner than it once was.
Businesses are paying much more for electricity than home users they were not subject to the cap, on a solar forum I lurk on on Facebook, one business was quoted £2/day standing charge and £1/kwh for electric.But the theoretical running cost benefit is much thinner than it once was.
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