Tesla - why don’t I want one?
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I'd have a tesla as a commute car, makes sense but I'd mix in in with the other vehicles in the family fleet.
Most people these days just use the car as A-B and are interested in the number of toys on board and they have plenty.
Range, charging network for distances makes it an attractive option, just the initial cost of EV's is the drawback, and of course you need to have a driveway to charge it on... or fit the journey profile...
Most people these days just use the car as A-B and are interested in the number of toys on board and they have plenty.
Range, charging network for distances makes it an attractive option, just the initial cost of EV's is the drawback, and of course you need to have a driveway to charge it on... or fit the journey profile...
My next car will be an EV as it just seems to be the way things are going
If not a Tesla which EV should people be buying? Tesla just seemed to have got a decent headstart over the "traditional" OEMs with their EVs, whilst their cars certainly aren't perfect are the equivalent vehicles produced by BMW/Mercedes/Audi etc. really better options?
If not a Tesla which EV should people be buying? Tesla just seemed to have got a decent headstart over the "traditional" OEMs with their EVs, whilst their cars certainly aren't perfect are the equivalent vehicles produced by BMW/Mercedes/Audi etc. really better options?
flight147z said:
....are the equivalent vehicles produced by BMW/Mercedes/Audi etc. really better options?
The Teslas have better range/supercharging network, but the German offerings appear to be much more attractive and 'premium' And the Germans look to be catching up with the Tesla self driving initiatives and likely overtake Tesla due to partnerships with Nvidia and others.
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 2nd February 12:34
hyphen said:
Cold said:
How many knitting needles have you thrust into your eye? How do you know if you won't like it if you don't do it*?
*don't do it.
When you wrote that you thought it was clever didn't you? But it isn't. It's a stupid post.*don't do it.
There are plenty of cars I know I won't like without driving them. There are a few I know I will like without driving them.
I'm in the "no desire to own a Tesla camp" but for me it's not just Tesla. It's most new cars in general.
I don't want just screens. I want dials, knobs and buttons. I like gears, power bands, the ability to break traction. I like driving, operating a vehicle, using my limited skill and experience to do so.
One day cars will be fully automated and I can then switch off and do something else to amuse me whilst sat on the M25. In the meantime whilst I have to pilot a car I actually want something to do.
Car's are just so bloody complicated these days. Look at that ridiculous AMG GT thing announced this week. Stashed with stuff to get round the ring a bit quicker. Who gives a f
k. Apart from ridiculous power that you'll never get to use that then needs NASA levels of computing power so mere mortals can actually keep it on the road what's the point.
When I want to drive I want to drive the rest of the time I get an Uber.
I like motorbikes, but read a review these days and all they talk about is how many bloody modes it's got. Electronic suspension, cornering ABS, engine management, phone connectivity, keyless ignition etc etc. My brain used to be the computer when riding a bike but slowly and surely that's all been taken away. Yes it ultimately makes them faster A-B and I accept the technology is better than my head but I'd rather slow down and have a more involving ride without them.
I don't want just screens. I want dials, knobs and buttons. I like gears, power bands, the ability to break traction. I like driving, operating a vehicle, using my limited skill and experience to do so.
One day cars will be fully automated and I can then switch off and do something else to amuse me whilst sat on the M25. In the meantime whilst I have to pilot a car I actually want something to do.
Car's are just so bloody complicated these days. Look at that ridiculous AMG GT thing announced this week. Stashed with stuff to get round the ring a bit quicker. Who gives a f
k. Apart from ridiculous power that you'll never get to use that then needs NASA levels of computing power so mere mortals can actually keep it on the road what's the point. When I want to drive I want to drive the rest of the time I get an Uber.
I like motorbikes, but read a review these days and all they talk about is how many bloody modes it's got. Electronic suspension, cornering ABS, engine management, phone connectivity, keyless ignition etc etc. My brain used to be the computer when riding a bike but slowly and surely that's all been taken away. Yes it ultimately makes them faster A-B and I accept the technology is better than my head but I'd rather slow down and have a more involving ride without them.
Cold said:
hyphen said:
Cold said:
How many knitting needles have you thrust into your eye? How do you know if you won't like it if you don't do it*?
*don't do it.
When you wrote that you thought it was clever didn't you? But it isn't. It's a stupid post.*don't do it.
There are plenty of cars I know I won't like without driving them. There are a few I know I will like without driving them.
Thing is, there will have been folk rattling on about cars back in 1900 saying how they will stick with old Ned their faithful horse.
Thing is, they are all long dead and everyone is driving cars pretty much and horses are used for leisure purposes by a small minority.
Same thing will happen and its what the majority chooses, not what an individual prefers that dictates where things go, at some point in 100 years there may be someone mooching through old web forums and happen upon old PH threads and they will remember seeing an ICE car in a book and at the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry.
Its fine to not want an EV, I quite like noisy Petrol engines, but I am 51, EV's are coming in and me sucking on my pipe and declaring I will stick with Petrol engines matters not one jot in how things will progress. If it was the other way round and EVs were the normal, nobody would want a noisier, less efficient, more polluting (at street level) alternative if someone invented it, and thats how subsequent generations will see them as they havent grown up with them and got that affinity.
If I live to the average 79 years, another 27 years and ten months or so, cant imagine then there will be many ICE vehicles left as day to day transport for normal folk by then, it will get more difficult to buy one as they wont be selling them in eight and a bit years, realistically sooner as all the manufacturers stop making, or selling them in the UK before hand (as per Jags plan, Volvo etc). They will get cheaper, better and the downsides will be mitigated.
Main issue for most is any EV you want is 30k plus, not much in the used chain as yet as numbers have only just started going up and a lot of them are still pretty compromised.
Thing is, they are all long dead and everyone is driving cars pretty much and horses are used for leisure purposes by a small minority.
Same thing will happen and its what the majority chooses, not what an individual prefers that dictates where things go, at some point in 100 years there may be someone mooching through old web forums and happen upon old PH threads and they will remember seeing an ICE car in a book and at the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry.
Its fine to not want an EV, I quite like noisy Petrol engines, but I am 51, EV's are coming in and me sucking on my pipe and declaring I will stick with Petrol engines matters not one jot in how things will progress. If it was the other way round and EVs were the normal, nobody would want a noisier, less efficient, more polluting (at street level) alternative if someone invented it, and thats how subsequent generations will see them as they havent grown up with them and got that affinity.
If I live to the average 79 years, another 27 years and ten months or so, cant imagine then there will be many ICE vehicles left as day to day transport for normal folk by then, it will get more difficult to buy one as they wont be selling them in eight and a bit years, realistically sooner as all the manufacturers stop making, or selling them in the UK before hand (as per Jags plan, Volvo etc). They will get cheaper, better and the downsides will be mitigated.
Main issue for most is any EV you want is 30k plus, not much in the used chain as yet as numbers have only just started going up and a lot of them are still pretty compromised.
mersontheperson said:
I must have owned well over 50 cars, slips on wheels like old Toyota Carina’s and Fiat UNO’s, to Porsche 94; Turbo and 105 series Alfa’s. These days I am really in to 80’s 90’s JDM, but also appreciate cars of all styles and vinstages.
But if you gave me a Tesla, I would sell it immediately, no desire to drive or own.
Don’t really understand why I am so averse, any Pistonhead auto-psychologists that can shed some light on why?
Because you've never owned a decent car, so don't have a benchmark for how 'nice' cars should feel?But if you gave me a Tesla, I would sell it immediately, no desire to drive or own.
Don’t really understand why I am so averse, any Pistonhead auto-psychologists that can shed some light on why?
Harry H said:
I'm in the "no desire to own a Tesla camp" but for me it's not just Tesla. It's most new cars in general.
Sums it up for me too really. Modern cars are awful. If someone made a simple, poverty spec EV it would be great but there is a tech war and every new car has to have a 11” touch screen and auto everything. No manufacturer appears to be listening. We need to get people in towns and cities out of ICE cars, but very few have £30k+ for an entry level EV. The vast majority of journeys are under 10 miles, perfect for a cheap EV
And even then I’d still prefer to commute by cycle….
As a car, I don't like their design, especially the model 3. It looks like a fridge but maybe that is because many get it in poverty white. I also don't like the minimalist interior. I'm not a fan of screens like they have done, don't like what Merc seem to be doing either with that.
I struggle with the green credentials despite them being rammed down my throat by a few who have them. One couple would be better walking their kids the half mile to school rather than driving their Tesla or just have kept their focus for their short journeys.
For some their carbon footprint will make sense and they will indeed be a greener option but for others it's just as polulluting just not from the exhaust. Kind of "it doesn't happen cos I don't see it"
The one good thing about Tesla though is they are encouraging adoption and creating the demand and others are trying to follow the infrastructure. Their fronts, although fridge like are far better than some of the BMW X ev things front "grills".
I'm not against ev, although I'm not 100% in the idea it's th answer and I hate that as soon as you suggest you don't like the Tesla people start throwing comments about being a luddite or stuck in your ways or resistant of change or a petrol head or other such balls that we seen in parts of this thread and many others.
Some people just won't like them, and that's fine. It shouldn't cause such upset to Tesla fans that it does. Feels apple Android or Nintendo sega childish crap. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing.
On Musk, he comes across as a bit of a prick and his green credentials are money based. But again I fear I will upset the followers so will leave it there before they start shouting at me.
I struggle with the green credentials despite them being rammed down my throat by a few who have them. One couple would be better walking their kids the half mile to school rather than driving their Tesla or just have kept their focus for their short journeys.
For some their carbon footprint will make sense and they will indeed be a greener option but for others it's just as polulluting just not from the exhaust. Kind of "it doesn't happen cos I don't see it"
The one good thing about Tesla though is they are encouraging adoption and creating the demand and others are trying to follow the infrastructure. Their fronts, although fridge like are far better than some of the BMW X ev things front "grills".
I'm not against ev, although I'm not 100% in the idea it's th answer and I hate that as soon as you suggest you don't like the Tesla people start throwing comments about being a luddite or stuck in your ways or resistant of change or a petrol head or other such balls that we seen in parts of this thread and many others.
Some people just won't like them, and that's fine. It shouldn't cause such upset to Tesla fans that it does. Feels apple Android or Nintendo sega childish crap. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing.
On Musk, he comes across as a bit of a prick and his green credentials are money based. But again I fear I will upset the followers so will leave it there before they start shouting at me.
Great discussion, I really don't have anything against the people who like or own Tesla's. As people have mentioned their supercharging network is great, and I do respect the spec and what they have accomplished.
I haven't owned an electric car 'yet' but would certainly bite anyone's handoff who offered me a Taycan. Or as some posters suggested a Honda E, give that car a few years and a decent range and I may well be up the dealership.
Some comments here discussing Apple are interesting, I think I do associate an image with Tesla and their owners, and it may well be just out right prejudice, but I cant help thinking that before they picked up their Tesla, they were queuing outside the Apple store at 4am so they could be the first to get the new iphone. Maybe the closest car analogy are the fanboys of one particular brand (usually German) who state as a fact that the particular model they run is unequivocally better than any other car in the market, no matter what the situation. I guess I am also the last person who would go in to a dealership and order a new 5 series BMW, so maybe a lot of my prejudice is around buying brand new cars of the premium variety. Never made sense to me.
I apologize to any tesla owners if I cause offence, I have only been in tesla's when drive by Uber drivers, and the cars were pleasant enough, but always felt self conscious even as a passenger. So its interesting to hear from both sides of the aisle.
I haven't owned an electric car 'yet' but would certainly bite anyone's handoff who offered me a Taycan. Or as some posters suggested a Honda E, give that car a few years and a decent range and I may well be up the dealership.
Some comments here discussing Apple are interesting, I think I do associate an image with Tesla and their owners, and it may well be just out right prejudice, but I cant help thinking that before they picked up their Tesla, they were queuing outside the Apple store at 4am so they could be the first to get the new iphone. Maybe the closest car analogy are the fanboys of one particular brand (usually German) who state as a fact that the particular model they run is unequivocally better than any other car in the market, no matter what the situation. I guess I am also the last person who would go in to a dealership and order a new 5 series BMW, so maybe a lot of my prejudice is around buying brand new cars of the premium variety. Never made sense to me.
I apologize to any tesla owners if I cause offence, I have only been in tesla's when drive by Uber drivers, and the cars were pleasant enough, but always felt self conscious even as a passenger. So its interesting to hear from both sides of the aisle.
Olivera said:
Tesla build quality - is it really as bad as the internet would have you believe?
In my experience no (well a Chinese built model 3)Compared to my previous 3 BMW's the "quality" (and defining quality is a discussion point) it's comparable. Admitidly I've only had it 6 months but there's no rattles or faults.
I'm no Quality nerd who will measure paint depth etc, but from a "fit for purpose" view it's very good and better than BMW in some respects.
a_dreamer said:
As a car, I don't like their design, especially the model 3. It looks like a fridge but maybe that is because many get it in poverty white. I also don't like the minimalist interior. I'm not a fan of screens like they have done, don't like what Merc seem to be doing either with that.
I struggle with the green credentials despite them being rammed down my throat by a few who have them. One couple would be better walking their kids the half mile to school rather than driving their Tesla or just have kept their focus for their short journeys.
For some their carbon footprint will make sense and they will indeed be a greener option but for others it's just as polulluting just not from the exhaust. Kind of "it doesn't happen cos I don't see it"
The one good thing about Tesla though is they are encouraging adoption and creating the demand and others are trying to follow the infrastructure. Their fronts, although fridge like are far better than some of the BMW X ev things front "grills".
I'm not against ev, although I'm not 100% in the idea it's th answer and I hate that as soon as you suggest you don't like the Tesla people start throwing comments about being a luddite or stuck in your ways or resistant of change or a petrol head or other such balls that we seen in parts of this thread and many others.
Some people just won't like them, and that's fine. It shouldn't cause such upset to Tesla fans that it does. Feels apple Android or Nintendo sega childish crap. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing.
On Musk, he comes across as a bit of a prick and his green credentials are money based. But again I fear I will upset the followers so will leave it there before they start shouting at me.
I’m with you. Aside from not wanting a PC screen welded to my dash, I will never buy a Tesla because i am of the opinion that Mr Musk is an unpleasant individual and i do not wish to send my hard earned in his direction. I struggle with the green credentials despite them being rammed down my throat by a few who have them. One couple would be better walking their kids the half mile to school rather than driving their Tesla or just have kept their focus for their short journeys.
For some their carbon footprint will make sense and they will indeed be a greener option but for others it's just as polulluting just not from the exhaust. Kind of "it doesn't happen cos I don't see it"
The one good thing about Tesla though is they are encouraging adoption and creating the demand and others are trying to follow the infrastructure. Their fronts, although fridge like are far better than some of the BMW X ev things front "grills".
I'm not against ev, although I'm not 100% in the idea it's th answer and I hate that as soon as you suggest you don't like the Tesla people start throwing comments about being a luddite or stuck in your ways or resistant of change or a petrol head or other such balls that we seen in parts of this thread and many others.
Some people just won't like them, and that's fine. It shouldn't cause such upset to Tesla fans that it does. Feels apple Android or Nintendo sega childish crap. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing.
On Musk, he comes across as a bit of a prick and his green credentials are money based. But again I fear I will upset the followers so will leave it there before they start shouting at me.
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