Tesla - why don’t I want one?

[cobra kid]

D4rez said:

Any of that not true?

Not the whole truth though is it?

[DMZ]

Tesla and Elon Musk are no doubt very clever but to take the example of the simplified interior and the big screen as mentioned above: this simplifies things for Tesla certainly and helps them by not having to figure out complicated things that their competitors have nailed a long time ago, but why do I care? I think it’s abysmal place to be and if there are alternatives that are much less abysmal then I will choose those. The big win for Tesla is that they are managing to convince buyers that this is a step forward and well done them.

I don’t know if handling is such an important thing either. Even EVs that are decent to drive are quite boring. So I get that Tesla is talking about other things in order to change the definition of what a car is. It’s seriously ballsy stuff and it’s certainly working well. Except I don’t really care about that redefinition

There’s plenty of nonsense and marketing to do with cars. I think peak nonsense is sports kitted super aggressive looking 2l diesels with speaker enhanced engine sound, piercing headlights, and 21” wheels coupled with a bunch of emissions cheating. Germany has done very well marketing and selling that kind of stuff and it seems they are reusing the playbook on EVs now, less the emissions cheating. Is that progress? I’m not sure.

[NDNDNDND]

fblm said:

otolith said:

I see the vast majority of new cars as white goods, ICE or EV.

100% agree.

Exactly, let's just give up. Liking cars is stupid anyway.

[kurokawa]

otolith said:

I see the vast majority of new cars as white goods, ICE or EV.

unfortunately this seem to be the trend for modern ICE
Have own some "fun" car like FK2 CTR, MK7 Golf GTI, M235i Conv.
None of them give me as much joy as my NA MX-5, even the infamous 206 GTI and Mini JCW (R56) have are more fun to drive than those modern Warm/Hot car

[otolith]

NDNDNDND said:

fblm said:

otolith said:

I see the vast majority of new cars as white goods, ICE or EV.

100% agree.

Exactly, let's just give up. Liking cars is stupid anyway.

That wouldn't be my conclusion, more that the drivetrain isn't really the important factor in this. Most people are kidding themselves if they think that the transition to EV is going to result in them driving anything less interesting than the bore-fest they already drive.

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

NDNDNDND said:

fblm said:

otolith said:

I see the vast majority of new cars as white goods, ICE or EV.

100% agree.

Exactly, let's just give up. Liking cars is stupid anyway.

That wouldn't be my conclusion, more that the drivetrain isn't really the important factor in this. Most people are kidding themselves if they think that the transition to EV is going to result in them driving anything less interesting than the bore-fest they already drive.

Nor mine. Far from it. What a silly thing to infer.

[thecrow]

We test drove a Model 3 And Model Y LR over the weekend. Ordered the Model Y. For 99% of the driving we do it will do the job better, with less fuss and less cost. Obviously each to their own but I liked the interior, it felt solid and didn’t rattle. A relaxing place to be with extremely handy acceleration immediately on demand.

For the other 1% I’ve got my manual Cayman GTS 4.0.

[PH User]

thecrow said:

We test drove a Model 3 And Model Y LR over the weekend. Ordered the Model Y. For 99% of the driving we do it will do the job better, with less fuss and less cost. Obviously each to their own but I liked the interior, it felt solid and didn’t rattle. A relaxing place to be with extremely handy acceleration immediately on demand.

For the other 1% I’ve got my manual Cayman GTS 4.0.

Only 1% of your driving is for fun? You need to get that Cayman out more often.

[wyson]

thecrow said:

We test drove a Model 3 And Model Y LR over the weekend. Ordered the Model Y. For 99% of the driving we do it will do the job better, with less fuss and less cost. Obviously each to their own but I liked the interior, it felt solid and didn’t rattle. A relaxing place to be with extremely handy acceleration immediately on demand.

For the other 1% I’ve got my manual Cayman GTS 4.0.

Lucky sod.

[Lannister902]

Is it true with a press of a button, Elon Musk can bring to a halt every tesla ever made?

[a_dreamer]

https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy

Anyone requested their data to see how much they are capturing?

[Gad-Westy]

Lannister902 said:

Is it true with a press of a button, Elon Musk can bring to a halt every tesla ever made?

He’d have to swipe a screen. No buttons

[Monkeylegend]

Lannister902 said:

Is it true with a press of a button, Elon Musk can bring to a halt every tesla ever made?

Apart from the one up there in the universe somewhere.

[jwilco]

PH User said:

Only 1% of your driving is for fun? You need to get that Cayman out more often.

Maybe they are a car enthusiast though and so have fun driving either.

[RDMcG]

I have driven a few variants of the model S and the Model 3 as well as number of other EVa from the Mitsubishi IEV to the Jag iPace and three versions of the Taycan.

As other have said performance on many of these is amazing , and in the case of the Taycan matched by road holding.

Yet,my world has always been ICE and I have some cars that I like from that world.

In the case of the Tesla in particular all of that connectedness and entertainment stuff has zero value for me. I do not need web services in my car. The interiors do nothing for me either.

I like to drive with the radio off and just listen to and experience the feel of the car I am driving. Some of my cars are close to 20 years old and have none of that stuff.

I will surely get an EV for city use to replace my old Smart ForTwo. No range anxiety,want something very small to park in tight areas and pop down to the supermarket.

Owning a high performing EV has no appeal

[PH User]

jwilco said:

PH User said:

Only 1% of your driving is for fun? You need to get that Cayman out more often.

Maybe they are a car enthusiast though and so have fun driving either.

Ha ha yeah maybe

[GroundZero]

RDMcG said:

Owning a high performing EV has no appeal

High performance or otherwise, no appeal to me in owning any form of milk float.

I've always viewed "high performance EVs" as an oxymoron, if the whole premise of EVs is to reduce CO2s, along with the political aim of their introduction, combined with those who decide to buy them on the basis they want to signal being "kind to the planet", then why is there the concept of a 'high performance' EV? Such like the Taycan etc.
Seems like nothing more than a big two-finger salute to yourself as to why you would buy one in the first place.

[otolith]

GroundZero said:

High performance or otherwise, no appeal to me in owning any form of milk float.

I've always viewed "high performance EVs" as an oxymoron, if the whole premise of EVs is to reduce CO2s, along with the political aim of their introduction, combined with those who decide to buy them on the basis they want to signal being "kind to the planet", then why is there the concept of a 'high performance' EV? Such like the Taycan etc.
Seems like nothing more than a big two-finger salute to yourself as to why you would buy one in the first place.

Because EVs do not have the fundamental failing of ICEs that drivetrains capable of high performance are horribly inefficient when that performance is not used.

You don't understand because you are seeing the world through the prism of what is wrong with ICE.

[GroundZero]

otolith said:

Because EVs do not have the fundamental failing of ICEs that drivetrains capable of high performance are horribly inefficient when that performance is not used.

You don't understand because you are seeing the world through the prism of what is wrong with ICE.

?
That doesn't exactly explain why 'high performance EVs" are being built. It still remains an oxymoron.

[otolith]

GroundZero said:

?
That doesn't exactly explain why 'high performance EVs" are being built. It still remains an oxymoron.

They are being built because you can have high performance without having high emissions. You can have your cake and eat it. Why would you wear a hair shirt for no reason?