Tesla - why don’t I want one?
Discussion
Genuine Barn Find said:
C70R said:
Because you've never owned a decent car, so don't have a benchmark for how 'nice' cars should feel?
Oh do bore off…. Of course he can't see the appeal in it.
I am with the OP, in that objectively I *should* like a Tesla as they are quick and not offensive looking cars.
But for some reason my soul is not stirred by the prospect of driving one. And no, I'm not sure why.
In the same way that the prospect of mowing a lawn is somehow much more palatable to a lot of men if they have a petrol mower, for no reason they could easily identify.
But for some reason my soul is not stirred by the prospect of driving one. And no, I'm not sure why.
In the same way that the prospect of mowing a lawn is somehow much more palatable to a lot of men if they have a petrol mower, for no reason they could easily identify.
It is interesting how much people are influenced by irrelevant things like image and whether they think the CEO is a dick.
It is also interesting to look back at how hybrids were perceived pre- LaF/P1/918, and further back how diesels were perceived when they started to become popular (and pre- "535d remapped").
It is also interesting to look back at how hybrids were perceived pre- LaF/P1/918, and further back how diesels were perceived when they started to become popular (and pre- "535d remapped").
ajap1979 said:
Why is it relevant? He's saying he has no desire to own or drive one....
It’s interesting for me because before I test drove one I thought I would be the last person to buy an EV - especially a Tesla. After driving the M3P I totally got the appeal and how much sense it makes as a daily driver.C70R said:
Expecting a bloke who's only owned a string of old bangers to understand the appeal of a Tesla is like giving caviar to a tramp and asking him how it tastes.
Of course he can't see the appeal in it.
His opening post doesn’t say that….. He said he has owned 50 cars, which whilst that is not trying nearly hard enough Of course he can't see the appeal in it.
hardly implies a string of old bangers. Either way, you jump to your own conclusions and i’ll doff my cap to you as you evidently are the ‘go to’ on here in terms of what constitutes a “nice car”. Genuine Barn Find said:
C70R said:
Expecting a bloke who's only owned a string of old bangers to understand the appeal of a Tesla is like giving caviar to a tramp and asking him how it tastes.
Of course he can't see the appeal in it.
His opening post doesn’t say that….. He said he has owned 50 cars, which whilst that is not trying nearly hard enough Of course he can't see the appeal in it.
hardly implies a string of old bangers. Either way, you jump to your own conclusions and i’ll doff my cap to you as you evidently are the ‘go to’ on here in terms of what constitutes a “nice car”. And invariably, someone who's never spent more than a few grand on a car desperately wants to tell the world that they don't understand a £50k+ EV that they've never driven.
It's tedious. So I thought I'd point out the dissonance.
I have bought 2 cars from new. A 1990 Mini Cooper, and a 1995 Peugeot 106xn, the latter because I couldn't get insurance because of all the points I had picked up before I was 25 and they were giving low finance and free insurance :-)
I have had nearly new cars, a W211 Merc estate, a BMX X5 F15 Xdrive 35i, which were both amazing cars. Will probably be buying a 1 year old 7 seat Mazda CX-8 as the family car soon, so at least 3 of my 50+ cars were not old bangers, but at least 40 of them were !
I have had nearly new cars, a W211 Merc estate, a BMX X5 F15 Xdrive 35i, which were both amazing cars. Will probably be buying a 1 year old 7 seat Mazda CX-8 as the family car soon, so at least 3 of my 50+ cars were not old bangers, but at least 40 of them were !
rainifa said:
No, it's the pure ease and 'immediateness' of the drive that wins out, and if you've never driven one you WILL NOT understand. From pulling away, to exiting a junction, to coming round an uphill corner to overtaking, not even my old DAX Cobra provided such instant thrust from any speed.
This comes through in all EV reports i've seen, eg I3 and Zoe even, and I get it even from my very personal basic experience of Electric go karts and laughably perhaps my dads 4 wheel ride on golf buggy. It's zero lag/high torque shove. It's essentially the same old school love of big engined barges vs newer low capacity/emission cars. So in a basic EV you get V10 Toureg levels of torque sensation and in a Tesla type EV you get that and high top end and good range.
I do wonder if any manufacturer is going to push the PHEV further, as they solve various issues, ICE bias, range anxiety and where recharging access (flats unreliable parking areas etc) is a restriction. It's essentially a regular car with short term pure EV capability. If the range could get to 60-70 miles it could be a great all rounder?
Say ford do a 1.0L eco boost engine + electric motor/decent battery
ajap1979 said:
hyphen said:
stef1808 said:
out of curiosity which tesla have you driven?
+1 to this question.OP have you driven Teslas and any other EVs, or basing it on nothing at all.
There is no reason why a tesla should appeal to everyone.
C70R
Can I just ask, do you really consider a 73 Alfa Guilia coupe, 1600 GT Junior or a Porsche 944 Turbo, old bangers?
I once had a new girlfriend, turned up to her house to take her for a drive in my Alfa (dream car since a kid) it was white, bakerlite steering wheel, beautiful twincam engine, vinyl seats, drove like nothing I had ever experienced, and she turned her nose up and said "Is this your old banger?"
Maybe this is where the image I have of Tesla drivers comes from, but I think there are probably some Tesla owners that love cars that aren't brand new and don't call classic Italian sports cars 'old bangers'.
Have you ever bought or owned a classic car?
Can I just ask, do you really consider a 73 Alfa Guilia coupe, 1600 GT Junior or a Porsche 944 Turbo, old bangers?
I once had a new girlfriend, turned up to her house to take her for a drive in my Alfa (dream car since a kid) it was white, bakerlite steering wheel, beautiful twincam engine, vinyl seats, drove like nothing I had ever experienced, and she turned her nose up and said "Is this your old banger?"
Maybe this is where the image I have of Tesla drivers comes from, but I think there are probably some Tesla owners that love cars that aren't brand new and don't call classic Italian sports cars 'old bangers'.
Have you ever bought or owned a classic car?
Muddle238 said:
Then there's all the telemetry b
ks, I really don't want that Musk chap being able to download the data on my journeys.
Personally for me, the most interesting EV on sale currently is the EV6, I reckon that's a far superior car to a Tesla in terms of build quality and general usability, and where I'd put my money.
Oh right, so does this mean you don't have an issue with Kia (and their 3rd parties) accessing numerous bits of data about your EV6 and how and where you drive it? Why would Elon Musk be sitting there analysing YOUR individual driving logs if you did get a Tesla? ks, I really don't want that Musk chap being able to download the data on my journeys. Personally for me, the most interesting EV on sale currently is the EV6, I reckon that's a far superior car to a Tesla in terms of build quality and general usability, and where I'd put my money.
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As some one that recently moved into an EV i looked into the Tesla M3 so had got one for a week. It was never my first choice but was cheapest so looked into it. My negatives on it were:
1) Interior - it felt really cheap and nasty compared to the 5 series.
2) central screen - loathed it, found it really distracting and difficult to use and the voice command didn't appear to like my Bristolian accent (but who does).
3) looks - it just looks m'eh.. and no options on colour (for me) didn't help
4) drive - fast in a straight line but lacking any feel, feed back or character. Honestly my Renault traffic is more fun to drive fast.
5) Owners (not all) - they are really quite evangelical and won't hear a word against the almighty tesla/musk.
For example in the ev section, there are frequent posts along the lines of "I need an ev to get people and dogs in the boot, I've looked at x,y,z any comments". Before a page is out there'll be "you need to get an Tesla" - when pointed out they can't get a dog in the boot, "public charging is rubbish* & the range isn't as good as the TM3" and then a mass pile in about long trips made by Tesla drivers. It's extremely tideous, a bit like a lot (not all) of the owners.
As means of getting of from A - B it's fine, but they are a really dull place to spend the time getting from A - B.
1) Interior - it felt really cheap and nasty compared to the 5 series.
2) central screen - loathed it, found it really distracting and difficult to use and the voice command didn't appear to like my Bristolian accent (but who does).
3) looks - it just looks m'eh.. and no options on colour (for me) didn't help
4) drive - fast in a straight line but lacking any feel, feed back or character. Honestly my Renault traffic is more fun to drive fast.
5) Owners (not all) - they are really quite evangelical and won't hear a word against the almighty tesla/musk.
For example in the ev section, there are frequent posts along the lines of "I need an ev to get people and dogs in the boot, I've looked at x,y,z any comments". Before a page is out there'll be "you need to get an Tesla" - when pointed out they can't get a dog in the boot, "public charging is rubbish* & the range isn't as good as the TM3" and then a mass pile in about long trips made by Tesla drivers. It's extremely tideous, a bit like a lot (not all) of the owners.
As means of getting of from A - B it's fine, but they are a really dull place to spend the time getting from A - B.
LunarOne said:
For me it's this, plus my love of cars and driving began at a young age when the sound of an engine revving as it goes through the gears was intoxicating for me. As a four year old, my parents would wheel me out at dinner parties to demonstrate my party trick, which was to do a pretty good impression of the sound of a formula one racetrack, complete with gear changes for corners and doppler effect pitch shifting. The smell of petrol was another factor, and the trunk containing all my toys in my bedroom was covered in stickers such as "JPS", "Magneti Marelli", "Marlboro", "Agip", "Goodyear" and the like. I have no interest in F1 these days and haven't watched it since the days of Senna, Prost, Mansell and those guys.
Nothing sends a shiver down my spine like the sound of a high performance engine. Anything from two to twelve cylinders works for me and I'm not sure how I'm going to cope without my drug of choice, which is a combination of induction and exhaust notes. Add a touch of race-style straight cut gear whine and I'm in heaven. I'm sure there will come a day when I have to drive an EV for practical reasons, but I'm planning to own a small collection of petrol cars until the day I die. I'm about to add a Porsche 928 to the collection to bring it up to five, and there are a few other cars I'd like too. It's just a matter of having a property large enough to keep them!
Don't forget to fill all 5 up with fuel - and 10 Jerry cans, next time there's rumours of fuel shortages, there's a good chap.Nothing sends a shiver down my spine like the sound of a high performance engine. Anything from two to twelve cylinders works for me and I'm not sure how I'm going to cope without my drug of choice, which is a combination of induction and exhaust notes. Add a touch of race-style straight cut gear whine and I'm in heaven. I'm sure there will come a day when I have to drive an EV for practical reasons, but I'm planning to own a small collection of petrol cars until the day I die. I'm about to add a Porsche 928 to the collection to bring it up to five, and there are a few other cars I'd like too. It's just a matter of having a property large enough to keep them!
raspy said:
Muddle238 said:
Then there's all the telemetry bks, I really don't want that Musk chap being able to download the data on my journeys.
Personally for me, the most interesting EV on sale currently is the EV6, I reckon that's a far superior car to a Tesla in terms of build quality and general usability, and where I'd put my money.
Oh right, so does this mean you don't have an issue with Kia (and their 3rd parties) accessing numerous bits of data about your EV6 and how and where you drive it? Why would Elon Musk be sitting there analysing YOUR individual driving logs if you did get a Tesla? ks, I really don't want that Musk chap being able to download the data on my journeys. Personally for me, the most interesting EV on sale currently is the EV6, I reckon that's a far superior car to a Tesla in terms of build quality and general usability, and where I'd put my money.
"For this purpose the following categories of personal data are necessarily processed for the performance of the contract: VIN, Car ID, SIM ID, date and time stamp, GPS data, odometer information, vehicle status information (engine and gear status information, door, hood, trunk and sunroof status information, heating, ventilation and air-conditioning (HVAC) status information, battery, fuel and distance to empty (DTE) status information, fluids (washer fluid & brake oil) status information, tires, lamps, smart key status information, electric vehicle (EV) status).
4.11 Vehicle Report:
You receive a report in the UVO App. The report includes vehicle diagnostic information and information on driving patterns. You are informed about issues that require maintenance or repairs as well as information on the severity of the issue, the urgency of repairs/maintenance and the recommended actions.
For this purpose the following categories of personal data are necessarily processed for the performance of the contract: GPS data, VIN, Car ID, date and time stamp, vehicle status information (engine status), driving pattern information (car speed information (maximum and average speed), acceleration status information, distance driven, battery consumption information (for electric vehicles)).
Data processors – Certain third parties, whether affiliated or unaffiliated, may receive your personal data to process such data on behalf of Kia under appropriate instructions as necessary for the respective processing purposes. The data processors will be subject to contractual obligations to implement appropriate technical and organizational security measures to safeguard the personal data, and to process the personal data only as instructed.
- The data processor for the technical infrastructure and maintenance of the App Services are Hyundai Autoever Europe GmbH, Kaiserleistraße 8a, 63067 Offenbach am Main, Germany and Hyundai MnSOFT Inc., 74, Wonhyo-Ro, Youngsan-gu, 04365, Seoul, Korea.
- The data processors for call center services are affiliates of Kia, which are located in the EU/EEA. - Kia uses additional processors for specific services (e.g. map providers)."
Source: https://www.kia.com/uk/uvo-privacy-policy/
I'd say about 90% of objections that aren't "I like brum-brum noises" exist because people can't be bothered to do any actual research.
I'm not anti electric car (just getting that point out of the way).
I do get why they are becoming popular fast due to BIK reasons.
For me they just aren't that well made as far as build quality issues are concerned and they don't look great from a styling point of view, they look very much like a jelly mould on wheels.
I feel that once the big manufacturers catch up on production over the next 2-3 years Tesla will be left out in the cold as people go back to their traditional buying habits of Rangerovers and all the German brands albeit with electric motors.
I'm sure someone who knows more about Tesla than me will correct me if i'm wrong but I would have thought they could have made much more of their supercharging network expanding it out massively and opening it up to all manufacturers to use potentially putting them as the main electric supplier for all electric cars going forward, I'm thinking of Tesla over what are now petrol forecourts or similar as they take on Shell & BP but with a big head start.
I do get why they are becoming popular fast due to BIK reasons.
For me they just aren't that well made as far as build quality issues are concerned and they don't look great from a styling point of view, they look very much like a jelly mould on wheels.
I feel that once the big manufacturers catch up on production over the next 2-3 years Tesla will be left out in the cold as people go back to their traditional buying habits of Rangerovers and all the German brands albeit with electric motors.
I'm sure someone who knows more about Tesla than me will correct me if i'm wrong but I would have thought they could have made much more of their supercharging network expanding it out massively and opening it up to all manufacturers to use potentially putting them as the main electric supplier for all electric cars going forward, I'm thinking of Tesla over what are now petrol forecourts or similar as they take on Shell & BP but with a big head start.
Not sure I could chuck £40k at an entry level used P85D (or whatever the model is) and I'd be happy admiring it parked on the drive, probably less exciting to look at than an entry-level vauxhall insignia (sorry Insginia owners, just saying!). For £40k I'd be hoping for something a lot more special.
Sure it will go like stink, so would a £3k bike, but the overall car-package is just a bit meh!
Sure it will go like stink, so would a £3k bike, but the overall car-package is just a bit meh!
plenty said:
otolith said:
It is interesting how much people are influenced by irrelevant things like image and whether they think the CEO is a dick.
Tesla's entire brand has been built on these things.Gassing Station | Tesla | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff