My model 3 is trying to kill me?

[TVR_Steve]

Yes I am aware I go against the general Tesla grain, but I hated mine. ~25k over two years and I was very glad to see the back of it.

[RacerMike]

steveatesh said:

RacerMike said:

That’s a mad ‘solution’. It shouldn’t phantom brake. I’ve driven many cars with ACC and none of them phantom brake.

My sons Volvo has experienced it, as has my neighbours etron…..

Whilst alongside a truck or when one is in the other lane coming the other way? I’ve driven Audi’s and many Volvo’s with ACC and none have done what the Tesla did about 10 times in a 3 hour journey. I’ve had AEB (Active Emergency Braking) activate before when there’s been a genuine risk due to the driver in front slamming their brakes on, but never just the actual ACC deciding to request 0.4G of deceleration because it can’t work out the truck in the lane next to it driving down the road normally.

Overall the actual issues many like to pick up on Tesla about were absolutely fine. The build quality was decent, switch gear was nice and overall perceived quality was good. Absolutely everything to do with charging and range was excellent. They’re genuinely class leading in that respect.

I think ultimately the reason buyer satisfaction is so high is because so many (not all) are such huge tech or Tesla fans they completely overlook or don’t even understand the shortfalls of the car. Many will possibly have never owned a car with any ADAS system at all, and quite a few will have probably come from very uninteresting econo boxes. Next to something like a GM (in the US) or a Vauxhall, Opel or Fiat here a M3 is objectively better. But against many of the newer EVs the car bit is just not as good.

Sorry to derail the thread but definitely feel that the ACC and phantom braking is an example of this. Many people (not saying you are) simply don’t believe or understand other companies do it better because the Elon PR machine has done such a great job of convincing everyone otherwise.

[macdeb]

Dear God, phantom braking? Underlines my belief that I should Never have one.

[Castrol for a knave]

RacerMike said:

steveatesh said:

RacerMike said:

That’s a mad ‘solution’. It shouldn’t phantom brake. I’ve driven many cars with ACC and none of them phantom brake.

My sons Volvo has experienced it, as has my neighbours etron…..

Whilst alongside a truck or when one is in the other lane coming the other way? I’ve driven Audi’s and many Volvo’s with ACC and none have done what the Tesla did about 10 times in a 3 hour journey. I’ve had AEB (Active Emergency Braking) activate before when there’s been a genuine risk due to the driver in front slamming their brakes on, but never just the actual ACC deciding to request 0.4G of deceleration because it can’t work out the truck in the lane next to it driving down the road normally.

Overall the actual issues many like to pick up on Tesla about were absolutely fine. The build quality was decent, switch gear was nice and overall perceived quality was good. Absolutely everything to do with charging and range was excellent. They’re genuinely class leading in that respect.

I think ultimately the reason buyer satisfaction is so high is because so many (not all) are such huge tech or Tesla fans they completely overlook or don’t even understand the shortfalls of the car. Many will possibly have never owned a car with any ADAS system at all, and quite a few will have probably come from very uninteresting econo boxes. Next to something like a GM (in the US) or a Vauxhall, Opel or Fiat here a M3 is objectively better. But against many of the newer EVs the car bit is just not as good.

Sorry to derail the thread but definitely feel that the ACC and phantom braking is an example of this. Many people (not saying you are) simply don’t believe or understand other companies do it better because the Elon PR machine has done such a great job of convincing everyone otherwise.

As I wittered about in another thread, phantom braking is a real issue.

I do some big miles in mine - 600 to Edinburgh in a day last week. Phantomed on me 4 or 5 times.

It seems to dislike

HGV's
HGV but with trailer
Highways Agency parked on side of road
Random stuff in the central reservation
Car transporters
Campers vans towing a silly little car

Each time, it hits the brakes hard. I wondered if it had been sorted in the various software updates. Nope, based on last week, it is still there.

It's going back - had enough of it.