Tesla test drive. Thoughts
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Discombobulate said:
The real cost is actually more than 10p kWh thanks to the higher price you have to pay during the day to offset the night rate. I am on OI 10p/42p but heavyish daytime user so average 30p. Few people get below 23p kWh average looking at other threads. Mind you 23p for 10 miles is still cheap.
I think that current “error state” is due to the price cap.LHRFlightman said:
Sheepshanks said:
Minsky said:
Sheepshanks said:
Not sure how that's relevant to "stopping for a coffee"?
Next Next Saturday is a 260 mile journey. I will be using Peterborough services. Plug in, coffee and loo = 20-25 mins. Will come back to a car with 85% fill. It really is very quick and not an issue.
In my use case, I'm regularly driving NW to SE. Leave early morning and don't stop on the way. Stay overnight and drive home next day. Around 360 miles round trip, takes about 3hrs each way.
I've taken to asking if the hotels I'm staying at have charging. Of the last three, only one had a charger, it was out of order and I got the impression it had been that way for a while.
So for to go EV I'd have to stop and charge. I wouldn't mind that if there was the same certainty about it as when stopping for diesel.
Discombobulate said:
The real cost is actually more than 10p kWh thanks to the higher price you have to pay during the day to offset the night rate. I am on OI 10p/42p but heavyish daytime user so average 30p. Few people get below 23p kWh average looking at other threads. Mind you 23p for 10 miles is still cheap.
It depends. Plugged in yesterday at 1pm with 33% charge remaining, Octopus Intelligent allocated 3-4pm, 11pm-6am as charge slots, in order to get me to 100% by 6am today. So that's 8 hours at 10p per kwh (for both the car and home), even though formally it's only supposed to be 6 hours overnight at that rate.
SWoll said:
As per the latest CarWow video the Model 3 LR managed 290 miles, at motorway speeds, in winter temperatures.
You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
I test drove the Model 3 last week and the rated range is now 305 miles, do I need to knock 80 miles off of that to get a realistic range? Only asking as Tesla say the LR can do 374 - I wouldn’t have thought it would drop as low as 290 just because it’s cold?You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
On another note, the new ones are so much better made that the one I test drove two years ago. Just waiting for them to sort out the parking sensor replacement software and I’ll be buying one.
SWoll said:
As per the latest CarWow video the Model 3 LR managed 290 miles, at motorway speeds, in winter temperatures.
You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
I guess we’re just going to have to adapt to this - unless / until range increases to the sort of distance that you can get from a tank of diesel. The annoying things would be having to go off route or not being able to get immediate access to a working charger.You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
Sheepshanks said:
SWoll said:
As per the latest CarWow video the Model 3 LR managed 290 miles, at motorway speeds, in winter temperatures.
You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
I guess we’re just going to have to adapt to this - unless / until range increases to the sort of distance that you can get from a tank of diesel. The annoying things would be having to go off route or not being able to get immediate access to a working charger.You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
If you take in isolation a single 300 mile journey it sounds daft to be an issue. If you take a weekend visiting away even 150 miles away with maybe a bit running around before hand then that 300 range max 100-0% doesn’t seem so good any more especially when it’s really 250 in winter and you need to knock off 10% of that unless you’re going to roll into a charger on 0% with no contingency for it not working.
When we first started talking EVs on these forums it was touted that because the average daily car use was 30 miles that a Nissan Leaf Gen 1 had plenty of range.
Personally I hope as the years tick along there will be an abundance of public chargers that make range a non issue for anyone and everyone looking at EVs and in particular those that cannot charge at home.
The Model 3 LR seems to nail it with a real world winter range with buffer well over 250 miles but it doesn’t come close to the range and convenience ICE cars currently have. If you can stop and charge easily and without faff, this range disparity won’t matter.
Unfortunately the chargers aren’t abundant (even Tesla ones) and the network outside of Tesla is disjointed, unreliable and very expensive currently.
When we first started talking EVs on these forums it was touted that because the average daily car use was 30 miles that a Nissan Leaf Gen 1 had plenty of range.
Personally I hope as the years tick along there will be an abundance of public chargers that make range a non issue for anyone and everyone looking at EVs and in particular those that cannot charge at home.
The Model 3 LR seems to nail it with a real world winter range with buffer well over 250 miles but it doesn’t come close to the range and convenience ICE cars currently have. If you can stop and charge easily and without faff, this range disparity won’t matter.
Unfortunately the chargers aren’t abundant (even Tesla ones) and the network outside of Tesla is disjointed, unreliable and very expensive currently.
SWoll said:
The big question being just how many people does this actually effect? For me 300 miles (5-6 hours) at motorway speeds would seem a very decent amount of range, and if tech does move on to provide more efficiency for the same battery capacity I would prefer to see smaller batteries fitted, lowering vehicle costs and weight, rather than pushing for ever longer range.
I don't know how many people are affected but I never cease to be amazed by how many cars are hacking up and down the motorways, even driving outside of normal commute times, there seems to be loads of people just driving around!For me, it's not the ability to do 300 miles in one day that's my issue - at that distance even I would want / need to have a break.
it's being able to do (in my case) 180 miles one day, stay overnight, and then do 180 miles home without having to faff about. It can be tough enough to find hotels with certainty of parking - recent stay in a hotel in Windsor didn't have on-site parking - never mind with charging. Looks like, with the right car, my trips could be annoyingly touch and go.
Edited by Sheepshanks on Monday 6th February 12:29
LivLL said:
SWoll said:
As per the latest CarWow video the Model 3 LR managed 290 miles, at motorway speeds, in winter temperatures.
You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
I test drove the Model 3 last week and the rated range is now 305 miles, do I need to knock 80 miles off of that to get a realistic range? Only asking as Tesla say the LR can do 374 - I wouldn’t have thought it would drop as low as 290 just because it’s cold?You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
On another note, the new ones are so much better made that the one I test drove two years ago. Just waiting for them to sort out the parking sensor replacement software and I’ll be buying one.
LHRFlightman said:
I can see it happening for us. 
The prospect of out of warranty repair costs scares me a bit. But there are plenty of mainstream ICE cars that can and do throw up major issues that present themselves to the second owner, BMWs timing chain issue being one. Diesals, even a boggo DFP swap or injector clean isn't free.
dhutch said:
I can see it happening for us.
The prospect of out of warranty repair costs scares me a bit. But there are plenty of mainstream ICE cars that can and do throw up major issues that present themselves to the second owner, BMWs timing chain issue being one. Diesals, even a boggo DFP swap or injector clean isn't free.
In the long run, all these latest generation cars with 'aids' like 'lane keeping' will be unmanageable when they are ten years old and the sensors or wiring start playing up.The prospect of out of warranty repair costs scares me a bit. But there are plenty of mainstream ICE cars that can and do throw up major issues that present themselves to the second owner, BMWs timing chain issue being one. Diesals, even a boggo DFP swap or injector clean isn't free.
Timing chains seem to last 150k+ miles mostly.
By that time you've got a car worth under ten grand, and a very long list of time-served components.
I'm sure my car is fairly typical of a large number of 'sheds' where the engine is well down the list of things which mark it as 'past its sell by date'.
A few bits of body electrics playing up.
Seats a bit aged
A bit of corrosion underneath
A few bits of plastic broken here and there
I'm sure the handling isn't quite what it was 70k miles ago...
I see a lot of potential for people to lose a lot of cash on 'out of warranty' cars. So many things have got expensive to fix. Or even impossible.
LivLL said:
I test drove the Model 3 last week and the rated range is now 305 miles, do I need to knock 80 miles off of that to get a realistic range? Only asking as Tesla say the LR can do 374 - I wouldn’t have thought it would drop as low as 290 just because it’s cold?
On another note, the new ones are so much better made that the one I test drove two years ago. Just waiting for them to sort out the parking sensor replacement software and I’ll be buying one.
It's the speed that's affecting the range in the most part, not the cold. WLTP is measured at 56mph, not 70. If most of your driving is done around town or on DC's with a 40-60mph limit then the car will perform closer to the range advertised.On another note, the new ones are so much better made that the one I test drove two years ago. Just waiting for them to sort out the parking sensor replacement software and I’ll be buying one.
LivLL said:
SWoll said:
As per the latest CarWow video the Model 3 LR managed 290 miles, at motorway speeds, in winter temperatures.
You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
I test drove the Model 3 last week and the rated range is now 305 miles, do I need to knock 80 miles off of that to get a realistic range? Only asking as Tesla say the LR can do 374 - I wouldn’t have thought it would drop as low as 290 just because it’s cold?You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
On another note, the new ones are so much better made that the one I test drove two years ago. Just waiting for them to sort out the parking sensor replacement software and I’ll be buying one.
My 21 LR with the 75kwh battery is doing iro 320 summer and about 250 when very cold.
The 22 cars with the 85kwh battery should do a little better.
I'm looking at a model Y for my next company car, the cheapest RWD model.
Anyone seen any reviews for them either video or text? All the ones I have found are for the 2 more expensive models.
It's this or an MG4 - one made by a loon (but a clever one) and the other by a despotic government.
Anyone seen any reviews for them either video or text? All the ones I have found are for the 2 more expensive models.
It's this or an MG4 - one made by a loon (but a clever one) and the other by a despotic government.
JD said:
OutInTheShed said:
Except it's normally half an hour minimum wasted when you detour from your route.
What kind of made up nonsense is this?30 minutes to nip into a motorways services?
JD said:
What kind of made up nonsense is this?
30 minutes to nip into a motorways services?
Not every journey is on a motorway.30 minutes to nip into a motorways services?
Not everyone chooses chav-infested motorway services as their place to stop.
But personally, yes a reckon every 'stop' however quick tends to add 20+ minutes to journey time.
Anywhere other than 'services' is a detour.
'Services' make you drive half a mile around the site before you can park, and then walk past loads of crappy food outlets before you get to the loos.
Then reverse to get back to your car and back on the motorway.
One of the great pluses of a car with good range is never having to use these places.
Having to do so more than once per long journey would not be a great selling point.
OutInTheShed said:
Not every journey is on a motorway.
Not everyone chooses chav-infested motorway services as their place to stop.
But personally, yes a reckon every 'stop' however quick tends to add 20+ minutes to journey time.
Anywhere other than 'services' is a detour.
'Services' make you drive half a mile around the site before you can park, and then walk past loads of crappy food outlets before you get to the loos.
Then reverse to get back to your car and back on the motorway.
One of the great pluses of a car with good range is never having to use these places.
Having to do so more than once per long journey would not be a great selling point.
I have never heard of someone who so struggles with a service station!Not everyone chooses chav-infested motorway services as their place to stop.
But personally, yes a reckon every 'stop' however quick tends to add 20+ minutes to journey time.
Anywhere other than 'services' is a detour.
'Services' make you drive half a mile around the site before you can park, and then walk past loads of crappy food outlets before you get to the loos.
Then reverse to get back to your car and back on the motorway.
One of the great pluses of a car with good range is never having to use these places.
Having to do so more than once per long journey would not be a great selling point.
As a certified road warrior, I can use the bathroom, get a coffee and fill the car with fuel and be back on the motorway in under 15 minutes.
I can’t see you wanting to hang around with me and all the other chavs so what are you doing in that time?
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