First EV, 2020 M3P, good idea?
Discussion
ldn_mx5 said:
So apart from the P vs LR question; when buying used, any specific tips on what to look out for? Look out fot creaks/rattles, uneven panel gaps, poor quality interior finish, assume everything else will be covered by warranty if needed?
I used this guidehttps://tesla-info.com/guide/tesla-model-3-buyers-...
But yeah pretty you've pretty much nailed it there.
Merry said:
ldn_mx5 said:
So apart from the P vs LR question; when buying used, any specific tips on what to look out for? Look out fot creaks/rattles, uneven panel gaps, poor quality interior finish, assume everything else will be covered by warranty if needed?
I used this guidehttps://tesla-info.com/guide/tesla-model-3-buyers-...
But yeah pretty you've pretty much nailed it there.
FWIW said:
If you’re only interested in traffic light Grand Prix, sure, but I believe that for real world, (50-70 etc) acceleration the LR+AB is actually faster.
I disagree. Yes there is little in but there M3P is quicker in all scenarios IMO.Also the M3P feels a fair bit more special to drive overall.
The suspension a bit firmer, less roll, just ideal a bit sportier.
https://youtu.be/2bn3tUSNhrQ
You’re entitled to your opinion but if either car is quicker in any scenario other than 0-30, that’s entirely down to the driver and not the car (on public roads).
This Carwow vid compares P, LR (non AB) and SR+
You’re entitled to your opinion but if either car is quicker in any scenario other than 0-30, that’s entirely down to the driver and not the car (on public roads).
This Carwow vid compares P, LR (non AB) and SR+
Edited by FWIW on Tuesday 30th May 00:47
delta0 said:
I appreciate carwow but they aren’t the most scientific. The Performance does have higher output across the entire speed range so will accelerate quicker.
I think the way carcow do test does demonstrate real performance well. No hidden factors skewing the results which can happen on the graph approach.ashenfie said:
delta0 said:
I think the way carcow do test does demonstrate real performance well. No hidden factors skewing the results which can happen on the graph approach.I have both on my drive right now and have driven both extensively. I also test things for a living so also agree about how to control the variables.
The thing that I notice the most is that when both cars are at a low SoC (<20%) that despite both suffering from a loss of power, the P seems to maintain more of its potential vs the LR with acceleration boost.
Whilst the difference between the two once rolling isn't huge, there is a difference based on my experience.
The thing that I notice the most is that when both cars are at a low SoC (<20%) that despite both suffering from a loss of power, the P seems to maintain more of its potential vs the LR with acceleration boost.
Whilst the difference between the two once rolling isn't huge, there is a difference based on my experience.
ldn_mx5 said:
When buying used, can I easily verify what % of brand new battery capacity remains?
I think you can guesstimate based on the number of miles range it shows at 100%. But that's by no means accurate. Based from what I read they drop 5% or so early on then level out for quite some time. Given the length of the battery warranty I've filed it under 'things not to worry about'.
Merry said:
ldn_mx5 said:
When buying used, can I easily verify what % of brand new battery capacity remains?
I think you can guesstimate based on the number of miles range it shows at 100%. But that's by no means accurate. Based from what I read they drop 5% or so early on then level out for quite some time. Given the length of the battery warranty I've filed it under 'things not to worry about'.
annodomini2 said:
I'd personally aim for a 01/21-09/21 LR.
Still has Radar, Parking Sensors, working USB ports.
Gains Facelift, better interior and Heated Steering Wheel.
However don’t rule out an early to mid 2022. All the above with the exception of the front usb ports, which can be fixed with a module from Abstract Ocean for not much.Still has Radar, Parking Sensors, working USB ports.
Gains Facelift, better interior and Heated Steering Wheel.
ldn_mx5 said:
What‘s the deal with USB ports - do older models and/or Performance model don‘t come with those?! Apple CarPlay and connectivity via USB port were things I was taking for granted…
Older are going to be USB-A (prefacelift), early facelift get full data USB-C, later 2022-on tend to get power only, not data. My March 22 M3P only had power supplying USB-C ports in the front/center console, but I fixed this with the Abstract Ocean replacement module, no cabling or coding required.
Carplay isn’t a thing at all without doing it via Raspberry Pi.
FWIW said:
https://youtu.be/2bn3tUSNhrQ
You’re entitled to your opinion but if either car is quicker in any scenario other than 0-30, that’s entirely down to the driver and not the car (on public roads).
This Carwow vid compares P, LR (non AB) and SR+
In the nicest possible way, I believe my own senses rather than a YouTube video from Mat Watson.You’re entitled to your opinion but if either car is quicker in any scenario other than 0-30, that’s entirely down to the driver and not the car (on public roads).
This Carwow vid compares P, LR (non AB) and SR+
Edited by FWIW on Tuesday 30th May 00:47
In every real world scenario the P is noticeably snappier and instant. There are more differences on the later refreshed (LR and P) models though like:
Double Glazing (front)
Electric Tailgate
Heated Steering Wheel
Refreshed front console (that doesnt rattle)
Stronger (but heavier) alloys P models
Heat Pump
Boombox/Ped Warning System
Plastic undertrays on later v fabric type on older
Led Matrix headlights on later models
Better NVH supression/ride/damping and general fit and finish is noticeably improved.
If you can get an immaculate earlier M3P its probably worth going for, but if not for the same money I think a later refreshed LR would be better.
Double Glazing (front)
Electric Tailgate
Heated Steering Wheel
Refreshed front console (that doesnt rattle)
Stronger (but heavier) alloys P models
Heat Pump
Boombox/Ped Warning System
Plastic undertrays on later v fabric type on older
Led Matrix headlights on later models
Better NVH supression/ride/damping and general fit and finish is noticeably improved.
If you can get an immaculate earlier M3P its probably worth going for, but if not for the same money I think a later refreshed LR would be better.
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