Decision Time - Tesla MYLR or not?

[TheDeuce]

My brother in law took one on a lease deal. It's a fast and competent car - not really a drivers car as such...

But as a family car, it's basically faultless. Easily worth the money they're kicking them out for now imo.

It's the modem day golf for the EV generation. Every box gets ticked and it's no slouch. I don't think it's reasonable to expect anything more from a car unless you're keen for a more focussed car and are willing to pay the price tag.

[Snow and Rocks]

Sort out the build quality, ride and road noise and stick in some proper physical controls for frequently used items and I'd agree.

[TheDeuce]

Snow and Rocks said:

Sort out the build quality, ride and road noise and stick in some proper physical controls for frequently used items and I'd agree.

They don't need to. You won't find an overall comparable car for less ££ monthly commitment right now.

Certainly not a car that has the reassurance of the Tesla charging network - even if most takers won't ever need to use it.

[Snow and Rocks]

TheDeuce said:

They don't need to. You won't find an overall comparable car for less ££ monthly commitment right now.

Certainly not a car that has the reassurance of the Tesla charging network - even if most takers won't ever need to use it.

I didn't say they did. We bought one.

But it's a long way from faultless!

[TheDeuce]

Snow and Rocks said:

TheDeuce said:

They don't need to. You won't find an overall comparable car for less ££ monthly commitment right now.

Certainly not a car that has the reassurance of the Tesla charging network - even if most takers won't ever need to use it.

I didn't say they did. We bought one.

But it's a long way from faultless!

Agree. But easily good enough overall.

It's faultless compared to the confused competition - it just does what it says it will do. Boring car in my view but most drivers are a bit... Boring.

[PushedDover]

TheDeuce said:

My brother in law took one on a lease deal. It's a fast and competent car - not really a drivers car as such...

But as a family car, it's basically faultless. Easily worth the money they're kicking them out for now imo.

It's the modem day golf for the EV generation. Every box gets ticked and it's no slouch. I don't think it's reasonable to expect anything more from a car unless you're keen for a more focussed car and are willing to pay the price tag.

TBH - I took the wrong car today.
A6 Allroad, for four of us and two labradors. And some drinks a birthday cake and jackets / boots

The Tesla would have been better.

The frunk and the under floor boot - makes it a huge and practical

[DMZ]

So long as you actually take one for a test drive and make your own assessment and you’re happy with it then no reason not to buy one.

I drove a Tesla for the first time yesterday. A Model 3 something rather. Had it for the day. I didn’t have very high expectations but it really is a poor car by any standards. I know there are a lot of poor EVs but how this can be a top seller is beyond me. I’m assuming a lot of people buy them on the hype without actually driving one. My passengers thought it was garbage too which is not exactly great either. I don’t know if I can be bothered listing all the substandard aspects of the car but a few low lights would be the ride, the refinement, the interior, the seats, a/c, idiotic controls via the screen, truly idiotic door handles. Even the auto cruise was quite bad with the car panicking about shadows and what not. The whole impression of the car was just cheap and nasty. It seems Elon Musk agrees given the price cuts. Even the range wasn’t all that good, which surprised me. It really is quite alarming that other manufacturers are trying to copy Tesla.

[drmike37]

I second the insurance concern. My quotes have gone through the roof on my M3LR. 50% increase from last year and I can't find it any cheaper.

[Gary C]

SWoll said:

James6112 said:

I’m all for EVs
But “ I really do not miss garage forecourts” is a pretty pathetic statement tbh.
10 mins a month get
700 miles of diesel @ £1.32 a litre isn’t a great hardship !

Having run ICE cars for 25 years before moving to EV for a daily that's not always the reality though is it? Not everyone drives a 50MPG diesel with a big fuel tank for starters, or lives 2 minutes from a petrol station, and who hasn't been stuck in a queue for a pump or behind someone deciding to go for a shop etc. And then there's the amount you have to pay for it..

I certainly don't miss the experience.

He's right though, its not a hardship.

Even when I had the RX8

[Zero Fuchs]

DMZ said:

So long as you actually take one for a test drive and make your own assessment and you’re happy with it then no reason not to buy one.

I drove a Tesla for the first time yesterday. A Model 3 something rather. Had it for the day. I didn’t have very high expectations but it really is a poor car by any standards. I know there are a lot of poor EVs but how this can be a top seller is beyond me. I’m assuming a lot of people buy them on the hype without actually driving one. My passengers thought it was garbage too which is not exactly great either. I don’t know if I can be bothered listing all the substandard aspects of the car but a few low lights would be the ride, the refinement, the interior, the seats, a/c, idiotic controls via the screen, truly idiotic door handles. Even the auto cruise was quite bad with the car panicking about shadows and what not. The whole impression of the car was just cheap and nasty. It seems Elon Musk agrees given the price cuts. Even the range wasn’t all that good, which surprised me. It really is quite alarming that other manufacturers are trying to copy Tesla.

Are they really that bad? I looked at an IONIQ 6 yesterday, as a lot of manufacturers are offering 0%. If you can get past the looks, it's a lovely car.

I've not even considered a Tesla as I've got a showroom local and every time I've visited, have been shocked at the build quality.

But I had a look on their website last night and they're offering 0% over 4 years and discounts (for businesses). Compare that to 2 years 0% and no discounts on the IONIQ 6. Add in 385 miles (WLTP), the Tesla network and performance and I'm quite tempted, despite not liking the touchscreen thing.

But if it's really that bad it'll be a shame as the paper figures look very good. I might take one on a test drive if I can. Trouble is, I don't like SUV's and that doesn't leave much choice. The M3 is also 1800kg, which is pretty good by EV standards. Not sure if I could ever buy anything over 2000kgs.

Edited by Zero Fuchs on Monday 17th July 07:51

[Merry]

Zero Fuchs said:

But if it's really that bad it'll be a shame as the paper figures look very good.

Go and drive one. For some reason they are one of the most polarising brands on the road.

Personally I like mine (a 2020 M3P), it was a massive step up from the MG ZS I had that actually cost similar money (I bought the tesla 2nd hand - obviously massive difference if buying new) but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince someone who's decided its crap to change thier mind. It'll be one of those never ending arguments.

[PushedDover]

Zero Fuchs said:

DMZ said:

So long as you actually take one for a test drive and make your own assessment and you’re happy with it then no reason not to buy one.

I drove a Tesla for the first time yesterday. A Model 3 something rather. Had it for the day. I didn’t have very high expectations but it really is a poor car by any standards. I know there are a lot of poor EVs but how this can be a top seller is beyond me. I’m assuming a lot of people buy them on the hype without actually driving one. My passengers thought it was garbage too which is not exactly great either. I don’t know if I can be bothered listing all the substandard aspects of the car but a few low lights would be the ride, the refinement, the interior, the seats, a/c, idiotic controls via the screen, truly idiotic door handles. Even the auto cruise was quite bad with the car panicking about shadows and what not. The whole impression of the car was just cheap and nasty. It seems Elon Musk agrees given the price cuts. Even the range wasn’t all that good, which surprised me. It really is quite alarming that other manufacturers are trying to copy Tesla.

Are they really that bad? I looked at an IONIQ 6 yesterday, as a lot of manufacturers are offering 0%. If you can get past the looks, it's a lovely car.

I've not even considered a Tesla as I've got a showroom local and every time I've visited, have been shocked at the build quality.

But I had a look on their website last night and they're offering 0% over 4 years and discounts (for businesses). Compare that to 2 years 0% and no discounts on the IONIQ 6. Add in 385 miles (WLTP), the Tesla network and performance and I'm quite tempted, despite not liking the touchscreen thing.

But if it's really that bad it'll be a shame as the paper figures look very good. I might take one on a test drive if I can. Trouble is, I don't like SUV's and that doesn't leave much choice. The M3 is also 1800kg, which is pretty good by EV standards. Not sure if I could ever buy anything over 2000kgs.

Edited by Zero Fuchs on Monday 17th July 07:51

It is a product. That Works.

You are looking at it frrom a car enthusiasts eyes.
Build quality or a rattle - so long as it is reliable and functional....

I dare say you are not looking at it fairly as not wanting to like either. Why personalise it via Musk is just an odd stance to take.
No other CEO is mentioned in a car critique.

[DMZ]

Zero Fuchs said:

Are they really that bad? I looked at an IONIQ 6 yesterday, as a lot of manufacturers are offering 0%. If you can get past the looks, it's a lovely car.

I've not even considered a Tesla as I've got a showroom local and every time I've visited, have been shocked at the build quality.

But I had a look on their website last night and they're offering 0% over 4 years and discounts (for businesses). Compare that to 2 years 0% and no discounts on the IONIQ 6. Add in 385 miles (WLTP), the Tesla network and performance and I'm quite tempted, despite not liking the touchscreen thing.

But if it's really that bad it'll be a shame as the paper figures look very good. I might take one on a test drive if I can. Trouble is, I don't like SUV's and that doesn't leave much choice. The M3 is also 1800kg, which is pretty good by EV standards. Not sure if I could ever buy anything over 2000kgs.

Edited by Zero Fuchs on Monday 17th July 07:51

Stating the obvious but you need to test drive stuff and form your own opinion. You may not think a jiggly ride is a problem etc. To me the Model 3 lacks that last 20-30% of polish that most “legacy” brands would ace. It does a couple of things well, to be fair. The handling is decent, the one pedal driving is well calibrated, and it feels light by EV standards.

I’ve done quite a lot of time in Polestar 2 rentals. They’re a much better product. While it drives itself, which it does much smoother than the Tesla, you can sit and look at the interior and dials and conclude that it’s a job well done. That thought never occurred to me in the Tesla.

I’ve no idea about Hyundai’s but absolutely worth checking out. I wouldn’t make any assumptions on EVs.

[John87]

I would recommend trying some other EVs before making the jump. There are a few places around the country where you can try different back to back to compare. I did this at Arnold Clark Innovation centre and ordered a Polestar 2 the same day. I felt like I sat "in" the polestar whereas I felt on top of the Tesla with the lack of dashboard and low front window line. It is very much personal preference with EVs and there are some brilliant cars out there from brands other than the default of Tesla so no point in rushing into a decision

[PushedDover]

But range and chargers / away from home charging HAVE to also come in to the equation with EV car buying.
Not mentioned here yet


And for us, with dogs and carrying capacity: a hatch back

[TheDeuce]

PushedDover said:

But range and chargers / away from home charging HAVE to also come in to the equation with EV car buying.
Not mentioned here yet


And for us, with dogs and carrying capacity: a hatch back

I can honestly say that 3 years with EV range and charging have not really come into the equation for me - I don't think it's a big deal for most EV drivers really - on the basis that most can charge at home and so rarely exceed the range of their car that it's just not a deal breaker.

Clearly if a buyer can't charge at home or frequently does long drives then the Tesla comes into it's own. But I don't think that's the situation for most EV owners/drivers.

But yes on the hatchback point - I don't really understand what possesses people to buy anything other than a hatch these days - or what logic fail led to the TM3 being a sedan - weird. My new car is an i4, because like my old 4 series, it has a hatch! I question why anyone buys a 3 series in fact, the 4 is basically the same size car but looks better and is actually far more practical.

[M1C]

I know it's too late now and you must have made your decision already but if the tone of your post is to go by - don't do it. You dont sounds at all thrilled by it and you'd have it for 4 years.

So i'd say look out and see if anything else comes along that you want more.

[ashenfie]

TheDeuce said:

PushedDover said:

But range and chargers / away from home charging HAVE to also come in to the equation with EV car buying.
Not mentioned here yet


And for us, with dogs and carrying capacity: a hatch back

I can honestly say that 3 years with EV range and charging have not really come into the equation for me - I don't think it's a big deal for most EV drivers really - on the basis that most can charge at home and so rarely exceed the range of their car that it's just not a deal breaker.

Clearly if a buyer can't charge at home or frequently does long drives then the Tesla comes into it's own. But I don't think that's the situation for most EV owners/drivers.

But yes on the hatchback point - I don't really understand what possesses people to buy anything other than a hatch these days - or what logic fail led to the TM3 being a sedan - weird. My new car is an i4, because like my old 4 series, it has a hatch! I question why anyone buys a 3 series in fact, the 4 is basically the same size car but looks better and is actually far more practical.

You could ask the same question of a Tesla 3, when you could simply buy a Y for less.

[PistonTim]

PushedDover said:

But range and chargers / away from home charging HAVE to also come in to the equation with EV car buying.
Not mentioned here yet


And for us, with dogs and carrying capacity: a hatch back

Range maybe but most bigger cars, the size that can take dogs for example, tend to have a solid range on them now. Theres a good number of options that tick those boxes.

[MarkM2]

After all that, I ended up getting a M3LR, not MYLR, on a PCP now Tesla have updated their PCPs for personal customers to 0% - it works out cheaper over the same term (£0 deposit) per month than our Octopus SS. Not hesitating and missing it, probably shifting with the new facelift out in November or so. And I don't have to get a white one ;-). Thanks for all the input guys!!