Tesla Model 3 Long range Vs Performance hardware differences

[Zcd1]

JAMSXR said:

After driving them both I was left a little confused as to why anyone would choose the performance.

If you don't value the additional acceleration, cornering grip and braking provided by the Performance version, then the LR version would be the better value for you.

For drivers who value the additional performance (like me), the LR isn't a "value", despite its lower price.

[JAMSXR]

Zcd1 said:

JAMSXR said:

After driving them both I was left a little confused as to why anyone would choose the performance.

If you don't value the additional acceleration, cornering grip and braking provided by the Performance version, then the LR version would be the better value for you.

For drivers who value the additional performance (like me), the LR isn't a "value", despite its lower price.

I do value those things, but the Model 3 is an A to B vehicle, and for that kind of driving there was really no difference, at least in my hands.

Maybe if I had taken it out for a track day or Sunday morning blast I would have noticed the difference, but I’ve got another car for that.

[CheesecakeRunner]

As someone who owned a P for three years and drove an LR regularly, there’s bugger all in it performance-wise.

The only reason to get the a P is if you like the wheels and want a crap carbon spoiler that comes half falling off from the factory. Even track mode is a gimmick for 99.9% of people. Most only use it for drying the brakes after washing the car.

[Zcd1]

CheesecakeRunner said:

As someone who owned a P for three years and drove an LR regularly, there’s bugger all in it performance-wise.

The only reason to get the a P is if you like the wheels and want a crap carbon spoiler that comes half falling off from the factory. Even track mode is a gimmick for 99.9% of people. Most only use it for drying the brakes after washing the car.

LOL.

25% (!!!) quicker from 0-60 mph, 15-20% shorter braking distance from 70 mph and 10–15% better lateral acceleration is “bugger all”??

SMH - okay.

Edited by Zcd1 on Saturday 6th January 14:23

[decimator]

Just the smile on your face every time you put your foot down, never ever gets old !! and looking at the ice cars in the rear view mirror way behind you is a bonus.

[Gone fishing]

Zcd1 said:

LOL.

25% (!!!) quicker from 0-60 mph, 15-20% shorter braking distance from 70 mph and 10–15% better lateral acceleration is “bugger all”??

SMH - okay.

Edited by Zcd1 on Saturday 6th January 14:23

You need to back those numbers up with evidence

0-60, performance measured with 1 foot roll out, the LR isn’t, there’s even videos of drag strip races when the LR falls behind about 2 meters off the line then catches the P.

Lateral force and braking could be as simple as tyre choice, if there’s any difference

[Zcd1]

Gone fishing said:

You need to back those numbers up with evidence

Actually no I don’t, but just to put and end to the “debate”:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a36329678/201...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30209598/201...

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30393484/tesla-...

Same source, same testing methods.

Any questions?

[Gone fishing]

Zcd1 said:

Actually no I don’t, but just to put and end to the “debate”:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a36329678/201...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30209598/201...

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30393484/tesla-...

Same source, same testing methods.

Any questions?

Thanks for not proving more than half the claims you’ve made.

[Zcd1]

Gone fishing said:

Thanks for not proving more than half the claims you’ve made.

Thanks for demonstrating that you either didn’t bother to look at the test results or that your reading comprehension is lacking:

0-60 mph
LR: 4.0 s
3P: 3.1 s
Difference: 0.9 seconds, or 29%

70-0 mph:
LR: 172 feet
3P: 147 feet
Difference: 25 feet, or 17%

Lateral grip
LR: .87G
3P: .96G
Difference: .09G or 10.3%

Any OTHER questions?

Edited by Zcd1 on Saturday 13th January 03:32

[Gone fishing]

The P gains are all in the 0-30 range, a LR with boat matches the P above 30 and spending on wheels out performs it. People who enjoy driving are less bothered about the traffic light Grand Prix and more about performance on the move, the LR 18” wheels are lighter which helps

The lower profile tyres actually provide a better ride and on real country back roads can be driven harder. Again a lower unspring mass improves things for the LR

It’s a typical “America skid pan assessment and the numbers saying it’s the best” v a European “I drive in the real world and it’s it’s real world performance that’s not manipulated by 1 foot roll out, sticky tracks, etc that bothers me”

The only people who ever say the P is the better car are those that own one, the people who say there’s nothing in it are those that used to own one. Spot the key difference?

[Zcd1]

Gone fishing said:

The P gains are all in the 0-30 range, a LR with boat matches the P above 30 and spending on wheels out performs it. real world and it’s it’s real world performance that’s not manipulated by 1 foot roll out, sticky tracks, etc…

Right, so now you’ve moved from “no the P doesn’t perform better than the LR and you can’t prove it” to: “it doesn’t matter ‘cause the extra performance isn’t important and with better tires, the LR will outperform the P”

Except that the test results I linked show that even with THE SAME MICHELIN PS4S TIRES AS THE P BUT IN 19” DIAMETER, the P still holds a significant advantage in braking and cornering.

Oh and the 30-50 and 50-70 mph passing times also show a big advantage for the P, so it’s NOT just 0-30 where the advantage lies.

There’s that reading comprehension issue showing up again.

Anyone is welcome to ignore/not care about the P’’s extra performance, but pretending there’s no difference is ignoring the facts.

Edited by Zcd1 on Saturday 13th January 15:24

[gangzoom]

Gone fishing said:

People who enjoy driving

I'm sad Tesla will never make a RWD P car ever again. The old P85+ S was probably the most 'playful' car Tesla mass produced without software tricks like track mode. Of course there is the original Roadster, but with no CCS charging they are all really just museum items even if you could find one for sale.