M3 LR DM owners - Real world range?
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Zcd1 said:
C70R said:
Hang on, others have just said that it should be doable in warm weather without a charge. Which is it?
Yours case is very borderline. The base RWD SR+ is unlikely to be capable of the trip without charging.
The RWD model MIGHT be capable of it, but I personally wouldn’t buy one of those regardless.
The RWD DM model also might complete the trip without charging, but it also might not.
Better to plan needing a charge and being pleasantly surprised if you don’t than expecting not to and being hacked off if/when you do!
C70R said:
I assume you meant that you wouldn't buy a RWD LR "regardless"? Any particular reason?
https://youtu.be/XzspO4-T7t4?si=Zgm9XpOLX0X7XynFZcd1 said:
C70R said:
I assume you meant that you wouldn't buy a RWD LR "regardless"? Any particular reason?
https://youtu.be/XzspO4-T7t4?si=Zgm9XpOLX0X7XynFC70R said:
I live in a rural area. There's absolutely no chance I'm buying a Tesla on anything other than 18" wheels, based on the roads around me. That alone rules out the Performance version.
No, it actually doesn’t, but with your preconceived notions, seems there’s not much point in further discussion. And I’m not arguing FOR the performance version; I’m arguing AGAINST the older RWD single motor version.
Zcd1 said:
C70R said:
I live in a rural area. There's absolutely no chance I'm buying a Tesla on anything other than 18" wheels, based on the roads around me. That alone rules out the Performance version.
No, it actually doesn’t, but with your preconceived notions, seems there’s not much point in further discussion. And I’m not arguing FOR the performance version; I’m arguing AGAINST the older RWD single motor version.
To quote back what you wrote, which caused some of the confusion...
Zcd1 said:
The base RWD SR+ is unlikely to be capable of the trip without charging.
The RWD model MIGHT be capable of it, but I personally wouldn’t buy one of those regardless.
The RWD DM model also might complete the trip without charging, but it also might not.
I assume the first line was referring to the Standard Range car? If so, I'm not even considering it.The RWD model MIGHT be capable of it, but I personally wouldn’t buy one of those regardless.
The RWD DM model also might complete the trip without charging, but it also might not.
I assume the second line was referring to the Long Range RWD car? If so, why wouldn't you "buy one of those regardless"?
I assume the third line was referring to the Long Range DM/AWD car?
ETA: I've just noticed you're in the US. This might be what's causing the confusion.
I'm tossing up between these two cars, for the sake of clarity:
https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1976/Tesla-Model-3-...
https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1321/Tesla-Model-3-...
Edited by C70R on Thursday 25th January 15:56
It’s an impossible question to answer.
I’ve done a 400 mile round trip in my 2021 LR DM today.
Left home at 6AM preconditioned with 99% charge. Drove 190 miles to the Newport Pagnall supercharger, arriving with about 15% charge.
Half hour having some breakfast got me back up to 86% - 55KWh added.
Drove 11 miles further south to my destination, had my meeting and got back in the car after 2 and a half hours and hit Home in the navigation. It calculated I’d get home with 20% remaining charge.
I was pretty sure I’d need a short charge on the return leg. The initial estimate was slightly optimistic but it started raining quite heavily about 100 miles from home. I arrived home with 15% remaining after 211 miles driven post charge.
It was cooler this morning - about 8 degrees, vs around 13 degrees on the return leg.
For 250 miles I would plan on a short charging stop, but there probably will be occasions where you won’t need it.
I’ve done a 400 mile round trip in my 2021 LR DM today.
Left home at 6AM preconditioned with 99% charge. Drove 190 miles to the Newport Pagnall supercharger, arriving with about 15% charge.
Half hour having some breakfast got me back up to 86% - 55KWh added.
Drove 11 miles further south to my destination, had my meeting and got back in the car after 2 and a half hours and hit Home in the navigation. It calculated I’d get home with 20% remaining charge.
I was pretty sure I’d need a short charge on the return leg. The initial estimate was slightly optimistic but it started raining quite heavily about 100 miles from home. I arrived home with 15% remaining after 211 miles driven post charge.
It was cooler this morning - about 8 degrees, vs around 13 degrees on the return leg.
For 250 miles I would plan on a short charging stop, but there probably will be occasions where you won’t need it.
C70R said:
I assume the second line was referring to the Long Range RWD car? If so, why wouldn't you "buy one of those regardless"?…
Tell me you didn’t bother to watch the video without telling me you didn’t bother to watch the video…Watch the video, and pay attention when he mentions “reluctance motor” and “torque ripple”.
Or don’t, and I hope you enjoy whatever you buy!
Zcd1 said:
C70R said:
I assume the second line was referring to the Long Range RWD car? If so, why wouldn't you "buy one of those regardless"?…
Tell me you didn’t bother to watch the video without telling me you didn’t bother to watch the video…Watch the video, and pay attention when he mentions “reluctance motor” and “torque ripple”.
Or don’t, and I hope you enjoy whatever you buy!
You clearly haven't understood my question if you think a 20min long ramble about throttle response and traction control settings answers it. He doesn't actually talk about range once.
All of that ignores the fact that you've shared a video from 2019 in response to my question about the LR SM model that wasn't available until 2023.
You clearly have an opinion, because you took the time to post in this thread. If you can't be bothered to write it down in a way that's easy for people to understand ("watch this 20min video" is a spectacularly unhelpful response), please don't bother replying.
Just my 2p worth, don’t worry about a quick charge on a supercharger, it really is simplicity itself. The car will route you to the nearest charger, showing how many stalls are free. The batteries will pre-warm ready on the way. Once there, reverse and plug in. No faffing at all, no apps to access or mucking around with screens on chargers. It’s a piece of cake
Itsallicanafford said:
Just my 2p worth, don’t worry about a quick charge on a supercharger, it really is simplicity itself. The car will route you to the nearest charger, showing how many stalls are free. The batteries will pre-warm ready on the way. Once there, reverse and plug in. No faffing at all, no apps to access or mucking around with screens on chargers. It’s a piece of cake
It's not really a concern about charging, per se. It's more that, if neither car can do what I need then the decision to buy a LR car feels a bit redundant.C70R said:
. If you can't be bothered to write it down in a way that's easy for people to understand ("watch this 20min video" is a spectacularly unhelpful response), please don't bother replying.
The fact that you can’t be bothered to watch a simple video is telling indeed. Good luck with your purchase.
C70R said:
Selecting 'gears' via the screen was the tipping point for me, to be honest.
Really? I think you're trying to think of more excuses not to buy. On the move, you won't be selecting gears. The only time you'll use this function is when you park or manoeuvre in and out of a tight space and that will only be a fraction of your driving time. Zcd1 said:
C70R said:
. If you can't be bothered to write it down in a way that's easy for people to understand ("watch this 20min video" is a spectacularly unhelpful response), please don't bother replying.
The fact that you can’t be bothered to watch a simple video is telling indeed. Good luck with your purchase.
CharlieAlphaMike said:
C70R said:
Selecting 'gears' via the screen was the tipping point for me, to be honest.
Really? I think you're trying to think of more excuses not to buy. On the move, you won't be selecting gears. The only time you'll use this function is when you park or manoeuvre in and out of a tight space and that will only be a fraction of your driving time. I'm already planning to buy one, you absolute plank.
C70R said:
I regularly travel from rural nowhereshire to London and back, which is a journey of ~250 miles. 150 miles of that is motorway, and the remainder is a mix of 50/60mph A-roads (70 miles) and urban stop/start traffic (30 miles).
I'd ideally like to do that 250-mile round trip without charging as often as possible (sub-zero temps excepted), and I think it's likely doable if I pick the right model.
The LR DM would appear to be this model, and 72KWh feels like it's a bit marginal to be doing that journey without charging, particularly if used. https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1321/Tesla-Model-3-...
Keen to hear from any owners on their experiences. If it's in any way marginal, I'm happy to pony up the extra couple of hundred quid a month for the newer car. If it's doable, then that money can go on trackdays. Thanks!
I have a 2021 3LR and my commute into London from rural Hampshire is around 130 miles (round trip). I leave with an 85% charge and get home with about 20% charge remaining. I never charge to 100%, so don't know how it would look with a full charge - I'm also too thick to work it out.I'd ideally like to do that 250-mile round trip without charging as often as possible (sub-zero temps excepted), and I think it's likely doable if I pick the right model.
The LR DM would appear to be this model, and 72KWh feels like it's a bit marginal to be doing that journey without charging, particularly if used. https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1321/Tesla-Model-3-...
Keen to hear from any owners on their experiences. If it's in any way marginal, I'm happy to pony up the extra couple of hundred quid a month for the newer car. If it's doable, then that money can go on trackdays. Thanks!
A 250 mile commute, as you have said (along with others) feels a bit marginal in cold weather... I wouldn't want to hit stationary traffic on a cold February night with 6% battery remaining.
A supercharger en route home (or destination charging at your work ideally) would probably be required. However you'd only need a 15 minute charge to get you home easily.
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