Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
Discussion
Martingale said:
That's what I'm hoping for. If it's around £45k, my hope would be to pick up some used examples around 6 months after release.
If we look at the earlier GRMN Yaris, considering only around 100 models came to the UK and the fact that 5 are on sale right now under £20k, I'm hoping there will be some bargains shortly after the new GR gets released.
Hard to predict really -- I mean we are all going nuts over this on here, but in the real world finding 25k buyers in 12 months for an expensive super mini that is eco-unfriendly, less practical, expensive to run etc. isn't going to be _that_ easy. Not exactly following the big trends (EV, hybrid, SUV) -- and EU and Asia only. Then there's the Toyota badge -- as a status symbol the GR Yaris won't work.If we look at the earlier GRMN Yaris, considering only around 100 models came to the UK and the fact that 5 are on sale right now under £20k, I'm hoping there will be some bargains shortly after the new GR gets released.
Will be very interesting to see how this will do sales wise in the current market...
braddo said:
Rsx Boy said:
Need more power.
My Evo 6 RS's were circa 380 bhp.
Need at least that surly????
Blah blah blah. Give it a rest and applaud a manufacturer for making a car like this in this day and age.My Evo 6 RS's were circa 380 bhp.
Need at least that surly????
Top job, Toyota!
It's an opinion which is valid to this discussion.
No one is as excited as me about the potential of this car.
I dont have to clap in public to express my feelings.
My request to Toyota UK has shown my "support for the product"...not my words but those of the Toyota staff that wrote back to me.
I've held off buying other stuff until I know more about it and it's availability.
Edited by Rsx Boy on Friday 10th January 14:32
Rsx Boy said:
No Blah Blah.
It's an opinion which is valid to this discussion.
No one is as excited as me about the potential of this car.
I dont have to clap in public to express my feelings.
My request to Toyota UK has show my "support for the product"...not my words but those of the Toyota staff that wrote back to me.
I've held off buying other stuff until I know more about it and it's availability.
Are you nursing a semi?It's an opinion which is valid to this discussion.
No one is as excited as me about the potential of this car.
I dont have to clap in public to express my feelings.
My request to Toyota UK has show my "support for the product"...not my words but those of the Toyota staff that wrote back to me.
I've held off buying other stuff until I know more about it and it's availability.
Martingale said:
sharkattack said:
Don't they have to sell 25000 of the things according to the rules? They won't be that hard to get.
That's what I'm hoping for. If it's around £45k, my hope would be to pick up some used examples around 6 months after release. If we look at the earlier GRMN Yaris, considering only around 100 models came to the UK and the fact that 5 are on sale right now under £20k, I'm hoping there will be some bargains shortly after the new GR gets released.
Colour me unimpressed.
2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
1) What is the equivalent price of that mk1 subie in today's money?
2) While I commend the subaru for being light, 5kg 16" forged wheels are very trick I've had them, I have the distinct impression that unlike modern cars, a roll cage is a must have if you even think of possibly crashing one...
2) While I commend the subaru for being light, 5kg 16" forged wheels are very trick I've had them, I have the distinct impression that unlike modern cars, a roll cage is a must have if you even think of possibly crashing one...
Shappers24 said:
Think the press release from japan suggests list price I Japan of 3.9million yen, which is approximately £27K base price... but that is just a simple currency conversion, could be more over here.
That's how much a 370Z costs in Japan (list price), and they list at £30k in the UK - so you're not far off the mark.big_rob_sydney said:
Colour me unimpressed.
2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
So much wrong with this I don't actually know where to start.2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
nickfrog said:
SidewaysSi said:
Everyone loves to powerslide on the road
Yes I am sure they do. But I don't think they actually powerslide much in reality on the open road. big_rob_sydney said:
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
that is what the A45s is for this (hopefully) is for people who dont want computer controlled uninvolved ballistic missiles and something that is actually fun like the old scoobies that just so happens to meet modern crash and emission regs and has a warranty
Leon R said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Colour me unimpressed.
2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
So much wrong with this I don't actually know where to start.2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
Kolbenkopp said:
Hard to predict really -- I mean we are all going nuts over this on here, but in the real world finding 25k buyers in 12 months for an expensive super mini that is eco-unfriendly, less practical, expensive to run etc. isn't going to be _that_ easy. Not exactly following the big trends (EV, hybrid, SUV) -- and EU and Asia only. Then there's the Toyota badge -- as a status symbol the GR Yaris won't work.
Will be very interesting to see how this will do sales wise in the current market...
Is it not 2,500 cars per year for group R rally cars? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_RWill be very interesting to see how this will do sales wise in the current market...
This looks really good Toyota.
However I remember how much hyperbole the last GRMN had as there were loads available last year, even though they were "all sold out" soon after release (bought by Toyota dealerships it seems and then sold at a discount soon after with limited mileage).
The ingredients were good but the actual experience not as good, when I took it for a test drive twice.
My main complaints: 1- Clutch too heavy. OK when "on it" but became really tiresome in urban/slow moving situations, where, weather you like it or not in the UK, you will find yourself much of the time. 2- ride was firmish which was ok but then suddenly would hop skip and jump even over regular road imperfections even at low speeds. No rhyme or reason to it. Enough for me to walk away. 3-Cabin was terrible/cheap feeling. The supercharged engine was superb though. Felt like an-line straight six. Strong and revved smoothly. It was a "smooth A-road type of car" was my conclusion, not a "B-road' blaster. And thus a bit pointless/overpriced for what it was. Many cars make great A road or motorway cruisers.
Anyway this latest edition looks the part. The cabin looks more modern for starters.Just hope the ride is good and the clutch not too heavy. And the fuel tank not too small. I think it will be at least £35k and probably nearer £40k but we can only hope it will be less than that.
However I remember how much hyperbole the last GRMN had as there were loads available last year, even though they were "all sold out" soon after release (bought by Toyota dealerships it seems and then sold at a discount soon after with limited mileage).
The ingredients were good but the actual experience not as good, when I took it for a test drive twice.
My main complaints: 1- Clutch too heavy. OK when "on it" but became really tiresome in urban/slow moving situations, where, weather you like it or not in the UK, you will find yourself much of the time. 2- ride was firmish which was ok but then suddenly would hop skip and jump even over regular road imperfections even at low speeds. No rhyme or reason to it. Enough for me to walk away. 3-Cabin was terrible/cheap feeling. The supercharged engine was superb though. Felt like an-line straight six. Strong and revved smoothly. It was a "smooth A-road type of car" was my conclusion, not a "B-road' blaster. And thus a bit pointless/overpriced for what it was. Many cars make great A road or motorway cruisers.
Anyway this latest edition looks the part. The cabin looks more modern for starters.Just hope the ride is good and the clutch not too heavy. And the fuel tank not too small. I think it will be at least £35k and probably nearer £40k but we can only hope it will be less than that.
GoodCompany said:
Leon R said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Colour me unimpressed.
2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
So much wrong with this I don't actually know where to start.2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
I'll bite though, for a start the sites I have just googled do not show the older car as high as 275bhp
So whilst on that subject, lets start with the engine, you seem to have conveniently missed out the torque figure between the two and yet the older car has more capacity and an additional cylinder but substantially less torque........
Kolbenkopp said:
Martingale said:
That's what I'm hoping for. If it's around £45k, my hope would be to pick up some used examples around 6 months after release.
If we look at the earlier GRMN Yaris, considering only around 100 models came to the UK and the fact that 5 are on sale right now under £20k, I'm hoping there will be some bargains shortly after the new GR gets released.
Hard to predict really -- I mean we are all going nuts over this on here, but in the real world finding 25k buyers in 12 months for an expensive super mini that is eco-unfriendly, less practical, expensive to run etc. isn't going to be _that_ easy. Not exactly following the big trends (EV, hybrid, SUV) -- and EU and Asia only. Then there's the Toyota badge -- as a status symbol the GR Yaris won't work.If we look at the earlier GRMN Yaris, considering only around 100 models came to the UK and the fact that 5 are on sale right now under £20k, I'm hoping there will be some bargains shortly after the new GR gets released.
Will be very interesting to see how this will do sales wise in the current market...
Martingale said:
sharkattack said:
Don't they have to sell 25000 of the things according to the rules? They won't be that hard to get.
That's what I'm hoping for. If it's around £45k, my hope would be to pick up some used examples around 6 months after release. If we look at the earlier GRMN Yaris, considering only around 100 models came to the UK and the fact that 5 are on sale right now under £20k, I'm hoping there will be some bargains shortly after the new GR gets released.
At £45k, they wouldn't even sell 100.
It will not be £45k.
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