Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!

[shoestring7]

Lankan said:

shoestring7 said:

Lankan said:

Sevenon said:

Did anyone else receive a 15 page PDF brochure from your Toyota dealership today? It provides a detailed specification list which looks really good as standard.

Yes, a PDF copy of this 15-page brochure was emailed to me on 6th July.

Agree. One could not ask more for the Circuit Pack spec, except perhaps for the JDL audio system, but, to me, that is a nice to have (i.e. good if it was standard but whether or not I would spend extra to have it I am not sure).

Anybody noticed this; 'Carbon fibre roof wrap', which means the carbon fibre-reinforced plastic roof is wrapped in carbon fibre (vinyl) wrap.

If you're suggesting steel roof wrapped in plastic, this video suggests that's not the case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5bNKhuk96M

No, I mean carbon fibre-reinforced plastic roof wrapped in carbon fibre (vinyl).

Further, the RZ "First Edition" cars sold in Japan have a differently patterned wrap.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 12:34

Its impressive; previously a part of a very expensive CS package on BMW Ms etc.

Is there a link to this brochure anywhere?

[natune]

Lankan said:

Where did you hear this "from what i read/see, it sounds like the 2022 rules might be full prototype tube frame chassis cars with bodywork draped over them"?

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sport-private-sales-of-cars-key-to-2022-wrc-entry/

theres a bit in here where Malcom Wilson talks about it. also just search for '2022 rally1 tubular chassis' and you will find a fair few articles, including wording in the regulations.
The wording is still open to interpretation at the moment until further clarification.

[Lankan]

shoestring7 said:

Lankan said:

shoestring7 said:

Lankan said:

Sevenon said:

Did anyone else receive a 15 page PDF brochure from your Toyota dealership today? It provides a detailed specification list which looks really good as standard.

Yes, a PDF copy of this 15-page brochure was emailed to me on 6th July.

Agree. One could not ask more for the Circuit Pack spec, except perhaps for the JDL audio system, but, to me, that is a nice to have (i.e. good if it was standard but whether or not I would spend extra to have it I am not sure).

Anybody noticed this; 'Carbon fibre roof wrap', which means the carbon fibre-reinforced plastic roof is wrapped in carbon fibre (vinyl) wrap.

If you're suggesting steel roof wrapped in plastic, this video suggests that's not the case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5bNKhuk96M

No, I mean carbon fibre-reinforced plastic roof wrapped in carbon fibre (vinyl).

Further, the RZ "First Edition" cars sold in Japan have a differently patterned wrap.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 12:34

Its impressive; previously a part of a very expensive CS package on BMW Ms etc.

Is there a link to this brochure anywhere?

Indeed, the objective is to reduce weight and lower the centre of gravity.

For some reason, the 15-page brochure that was emailed to some of us who placed pre-orders is not on Toyota's web site.

However, have uploaded the PDF to Dropbox - here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tb188iudbufcgu/Product%...

[Lankan]

natune said:

Lankan said:

Where did you hear this "from what i read/see, it sounds like the 2022 rules might be full prototype tube frame chassis cars with bodywork draped over them"?

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sport-private-sales-of-cars-key-to-2022-wrc-entry/

theres a bit in here where Malcom Wilson talks about it. also just search for '2022 rally1 tubular chassis' and you will find a fair few articles, including wording in the regulations.
The wording is still open to interpretation at the moment until further clarification.

Got you - thanks.

I had seen an earlier article asking manufacturers to commit to the 2022 rules by next month, which, I guess, prompted M-Sport's response.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/manufacturers-must-comm...

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 13:23

[shoestring7]

Lankan said:

shoestring7 said:

Lankan said:

shoestring7 said:

Lankan said:

Sevenon said:

Did anyone else receive a 15 page PDF brochure from your Toyota dealership today? It provides a detailed specification list which looks really good as standard.

Yes, a PDF copy of this 15-page brochure was emailed to me on 6th July.

Agree. One could not ask more for the Circuit Pack spec, except perhaps for the JDL audio system, but, to me, that is a nice to have (i.e. good if it was standard but whether or not I would spend extra to have it I am not sure).

Anybody noticed this; 'Carbon fibre roof wrap', which means the carbon fibre-reinforced plastic roof is wrapped in carbon fibre (vinyl) wrap.

If you're suggesting steel roof wrapped in plastic, this video suggests that's not the case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5bNKhuk96M

No, I mean carbon fibre-reinforced plastic roof wrapped in carbon fibre (vinyl).

Further, the RZ "First Edition" cars sold in Japan have a differently patterned wrap.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 12:34

Its impressive; previously a part of a very expensive CS package on BMW Ms etc.

Is there a link to this brochure anywhere?

Indeed, the objective is to reduce weight and lower the centre of gravity.

For some reason, the 15-page brochure that was emailed to some of us who placed pre-orders is not on Toyota's web site.

However, have uploaded the PDF to Dropbox - here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tb188iudbufcgu/Product%...

Much appreciated, thanks. That's a pretty good specification. Even the vanilla job has all the toys as well as the bespoke oily bits:

Dual Zone Climate
DAB + 8” TFT screen
Apple Car Play
Rear parking camera
Auto & Adaptive LED high beam/headlights/fogs
Adaptive Cruise
Autowipers and Autodim mirror
Retractable door mirrors

Plus some idiot proofing bks:
Lane Assist
Brake Assist

Hope I can find the fuse.

And I can fit.

Earlier this year I ordered a Mini GP3, but that was >£37k with Climate, Nav and not much else, and by all accounts is a torque steering bd on the road.

[Lankan]

shoestring7 said:

Much appreciated, thanks. That's a pretty good specification. Even the vanilla job has all the toys as well as the bespoke oily bits:

Dual Zone Climate
DAB + 8” TFT screen
Apple Car Play
Rear parking camera
Auto & Adaptive LED high beam/headlights/fogs
Adaptive Cruise
Autowipers and Autodim mirror
Retractable door mirrors

Plus some idiot proofing bks:
Lane Assist
Brake Assist

Hope I can find the fuse.

And I can fit.

Earlier this year I ordered a Mini GP3, but that was >£37k with Climate, Nav and not much else, and by all accounts is a torque steering bd on the road.

Indeed, I think for a bespoke, hand-built car, built at a dedicated facility, the spec and price are perfect, especially the Circuit Pack version.

Now, if, as it turns out, Toyota do not need to build 25,000 for homologation purposes, and pull the plug after only the initial orders are placed, then we will surely have a modern classic in the waiting if the final product is as unadulterated and good to drive as we all have been led to believe.

[kentbloke]

Lankan said:

Indeed, I think for a bespoke, hand-built car, built at a dedicated facility, the spec and price are perfect, especially the Circuit Pack version.

Now, if, as it turns out, Toyota do not need to build 25,000 for homologation purposes, and pull the plug after only the initial orders are placed, then we will surely have a modern classic in the waiting if the final product is as unadulterated and good to drive as we all have been led to believe.

Stop it!!!! I've already waited to long for this car, , don't big it up anymore and make it worse...... lol

[shoestring7]

Lankan said:

shoestring7 said:

Much appreciated, thanks. That's a pretty good specification. Even the vanilla job has all the toys as well as the bespoke oily bits:

Dual Zone Climate
DAB + 8” TFT screen
Apple Car Play
Rear parking camera
Auto & Adaptive LED high beam/headlights/fogs
Adaptive Cruise
Autowipers and Autodim mirror
Retractable door mirrors

Plus some idiot proofing bks:
Lane Assist
Brake Assist

Hope I can find the fuse.

And I can fit.

Earlier this year I ordered a Mini GP3, but that was >£37k with Climate, Nav and not much else, and by all accounts is a torque steering bd on the road.

Indeed, I think for a bespoke, hand-built car, built at a dedicated facility, the spec and price are perfect, especially the Circuit Pack version.

Now, if, as it turns out, Toyota do not need to build 25,000 for homologation purposes, and pull the plug after only the initial orders are placed, then we will surely have a modern classic in the waiting if the final product is as unadulterated and good to drive as we all have been led to believe.

The fastest car (cross country) I've ever owned was a breathed on Integrale Evo 1, just because it flowed across bad road surfaces and delivered such confidence with its grip, traction and balance. Mind you I was usually also pretty confident something would shortly go wrong.

If the Yaris is anything like as good (power to weight is very similar) I'll be made up.

[Lankan]

shoestring7 said:

Lankan said:

shoestring7 said:

Much appreciated, thanks. That's a pretty good specification. Even the vanilla job has all the toys as well as the bespoke oily bits:

Dual Zone Climate
DAB + 8” TFT screen
Apple Car Play
Rear parking camera
Auto & Adaptive LED high beam/headlights/fogs
Adaptive Cruise
Autowipers and Autodim mirror
Retractable door mirrors

Plus some idiot proofing bks:
Lane Assist
Brake Assist

Hope I can find the fuse.

And I can fit.

Earlier this year I ordered a Mini GP3, but that was >£37k with Climate, Nav and not much else, and by all accounts is a torque steering bd on the road.

Indeed, I think for a bespoke, hand-built car, built at a dedicated facility, the spec and price are perfect, especially the Circuit Pack version.

Now, if, as it turns out, Toyota do not need to build 25,000 for homologation purposes, and pull the plug after only the initial orders are placed, then we will surely have a modern classic in the waiting if the final product is as unadulterated and good to drive as we all have been led to believe.

The fastest car (cross country) I've ever owned was a breathed on Integrale Evo 1, just because it flowed across bad road surfaces and delivered such confidence with its grip, traction and balance. Mind you I was usually also pretty confident something would shortly go wrong.

If the Yaris is anything like as good (power to weight is very similar) I'll be made up.

Indeed, the Integrale Evo would be a good benchmark to measure GRY's capabilities against, and given Toyota's general reliability, I suspect we wouldn't have as many trips to the dealer/garage to have things fixed.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 14:32

[Terminator X]

Lankan said:

Indeed, the objective is to reduce weight and lower the centre of gravity.

For some reason, the 15-page brochure that was emailed to some of us who placed pre-orders is not on Toyota's web site.

However, have uploaded the PDF to Dropbox - here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tb188iudbufcgu/Product%...

Gross weight 1600kg?!

TX.

[Lankan]

Terminator X said:

Lankan said:

Indeed, the objective is to reduce weight and lower the centre of gravity.

For some reason, the 15-page brochure that was emailed to some of us who placed pre-orders is not on Toyota's web site.

However, have uploaded the PDF to Dropbox - here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tb188iudbufcgu/Product%...

Gross weight 1600kg?!

TX.

I noticed that too, and it one of the first things I checked...
I believe 'Gross Weight' is the combined weight of the vehicle, all its passengers and cargo, so the total weight.

Kerb weight (without driver) is 1,280kg, as dislayed when the GR Yaris was promoted in Germany:


I would expect Kerb Weight to include all fluids and, at least, half a tank of fuel, or that is my experience with other marques.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 17:15

[Boxhiller]

kentbloke said:

One thing I did notice on the spec sheet was the circuit pack car runs different pads, I was thinking the calipers on both cars were the same but one was painted red, so maybe different calipers to?

The earlier spec. sheet had an error saying "Red sports front/rear brake pads" as opposed to the new spec. sheet which now says "Red sports front/rear brake calipers".
So no difference other than paint colour of calipers on Circuit Pack cars.

[Kolbenkopp]

Terminator X said:

Lankan said:

Gross weight 1600kg?!

Weird they'd put that in the PDF. Thanks for sharing by the way, as usual, this thread delivers (what should be done by Toyota Germany :-/). If I had to guess, this is the weight of the car + fluids + payload. So 1645 - 1280 = 365 kg max capacity. Which should be good for 4 average sized passengers and a bit of luggage.

[Trevor555]

Kolbenkopp said:

Terminator X said:

Lankan said:

Gross weight 1600kg?!

Weird they'd put that in the PDF. Thanks for sharing by the way, as usual, this thread delivers (what should be done by Toyota Germany :-/). If I had to guess, this is the weight of the car + fluids + payload. So 1645 - 1280 = 365 kg max capacity. Which should be good for 4 average sized passengers and a bit of luggage.

365 doesn't sound like much of a payload for a 4 seat car with a boot.

Does the 1280kg include fuel and a driver by any chance?

[sonett]

Save Ferris said:

Toyota GB will obviously have the information, this is not the same as the franchise network.
The COL system does have a number of levels, I’ve not yet seen (or been allowed to see!) in my time, an area which shows orders placed outside of a CDA.

I’ll dig a bit deeper on Monday

SF, did you manage to find out any more info about the numbers ordered?

[Boxhiller]

Lankan said:

Indeed, I think for a bespoke, hand-built car, built at a dedicated facility, the spec and price are perfect, especially the Circuit Pack version.

Now, if, as it turns out, Toyota do not need to build 25,000 for homologation purposes, and pull the plug after only the initial orders are placed, then we will surely have a modern classic in the waiting if the final product is as unadulterated and good to drive as we all have been led to believe.

Whoa there! - "All"? - I don't think so.

Jury's still very much out until the production version is tested (especially on UK roads).

As I've said before, if one's expectation is too high because of all the hype then big disappointment awaits if it's not quite up to scratch.

[Kolbenkopp]

Trevor555 said:

365 doesn't sound like much of a payload for a 4 seat car with a boot. Does the 1280kg include fuel and a driver by any chance?

The 1280kg appears to be fluids but no driver. So in typical DIN / EU weight it's 1355kg. Been debated at length either here or in the other thread. IMO it's not fantastically light, but a good effort for all that tech and at that price.

The 365kg payload doesn't look too bad in context though? It's e.g. 370 kg for a Fiesta ST and around 430 kg for a Polo GTI (German TÜV limits for both cars). I don't have much of a requirement in that area though. So would actually prefer to have them calibrate the suspension for a small window. On my Golf (passive dampers) it really shows. The thing really flows nicer with > 250 kg payload.

[Lankan]

Boxhiller said:

Lankan said:

Indeed, I think for a bespoke, hand-built car, built at a dedicated facility, the spec and price are perfect, especially the Circuit Pack version.

Now, if, as it turns out, Toyota do not need to build 25,000 for homologation purposes, and pull the plug after only the initial orders are placed, then we will surely have a modern classic in the waiting if the final product is as unadulterated and good to drive as we all have been led to believe.

Whoa there! - "All"? - I don't think so.

Jury's still very much out until the production version is tested (especially on UK roads).

As I've said before, if one's expectation is too high because of all the hype then big disappointment awaits if it's not quite up to scratch.

Yep, that is my expectation, and if it isn't top notch then the pre-order will be cancelled!

I have no intention of going through with it unless the production version delivers on the hype and what I have been led to believe it will be - think Lancia Integrale Evo as the benchmark.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 19:50

[RB Will]

Lankan said:

Indeed, the Integrale Evo would be a good benchmark to measure GRY's capabilities against, and given Toyota's general reliability, I suspect we wouldn't have as many trips to the dealer/garage to have things fixed.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 14:32

I’d be expecting the GRY to absolutely murder an Integrale.
There was a magazine test about a decade ago, track test at Cadwell, so about as near to a good B road as you can get in controlled conditions.
Old vs new hatches. The Integrale was significantly slower than a standard Corsa! And I’d expect the GRY to leave the Corsa by a similar margin.
Similarly comparing my 20 year old Scoob to a Focus RS. The engine response and chassis on the RS are a different world to my Scoob despite their extra weight.

[Lankan]

RB Will said:

Lankan said:

Indeed, the Integrale Evo would be a good benchmark to measure GRY's capabilities against, and given Toyota's general reliability, I suspect we wouldn't have as many trips to the dealer/garage to have things fixed.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 14:32

I’d be expecting the GRY to absolutely murder an Integrale.
There was a magazine test about a decade ago, track test at Cadwell, so about as near to a good B road as you can get in controlled conditions.
Old vs new hatches. The Integrale was significantly slower than a standard Corsa! And I’d expect the GRY to leave the Corsa by a similar margin.
Similarly comparing my 20 year old Scoob to a Focus RS. The engine response and chassis on the RS are a different world to my Scoob despite their extra weight.

Absolutely, one would expect the GRY to beat any 30 year old car, but, to me, it's not a direct comparison of the speed and/or capability but how well it establishes itself as a benchmark at the time it is introduced..

What I am hoping is that the GRY to have an effect on the populace as the Integrale had when it was first introduced, and have the same effect when one got behind the wheel, thus being the benchmark that other manufacturers need to aim for in that category.

That's what the Integrale did - establish itself as the benchmark. Will the GRY do the same? Guess we will know soon.

Edited by Lankan on Wednesday 15th July 20:45