Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
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big_rob_sydney said:
NotNormal said:
GoodCompany said:
Leon R said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Colour me unimpressed.
2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
So much wrong with this I don't actually know where to start.2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
Good to see that after around a quarter of a CENTURY, we have something that doesn't live up to what was back then an agricultural product, from a backwards arse-end-of-the-country manufacturer.
I hate to have to ask, but don't you all think that with 26 years of advances in things like materials sciences, and modern manufacturing techniques, coming from a company as massive as Toyota with an almost bottomless R&D budget, might have produced something that could exceed what was made by what can only be described as the equivalent of a minnow "man-in-a-shed" Fuji Heavy Industries???
Don't get me wrong; I love Subaru as a brand, I bought 4 of them, even running a modified 22B for 7 years. So I feel like seeing this Toyota, has left me distinctly wondering what the big deal is, when we had toys like this to play with when Adam was a lad.
With 26 years, I expected so much more.
I'll bite though, for a start the sites I have just googled do not show the older car as high as 275bhp
So whilst on that subject, lets start with the engine, you seem to have conveniently missed out the torque figure between the two and yet the older car has more capacity and an additional cylinder but substantially less torque........
doesn't help.As far as the websites you're suing, I have no idea what they are, but wiki gives a lot of information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza
I'm sure torque and bhp will vary, as much as cylinder counts. I don't really bother too much with that, because the stopwatch never lies, regardless of what the composition of the car is. The older cars had tremendous handling, despite not having (relatively) gargantuan tires, and they were quick (0-62 often in the low 5's).
When the older cars are quicker, why do I need to care about torque?
Like someone said earlier if you want to see how far we have come in outright performance terms then just take a look at the RS3 and A45S but I am confident I would enjoy this Yaris more than both of them.
Working for an OEM, for me the most impressive way of looking at this is Toyota are one of the largest manufacturers who have not even yet brought out a battery electric car, instead of a BEV have managed to develop a car in a declining segment and launched this into Europe in the year that CO2 fines are about to kick in. Mind you, they are one of the few manufacturers who should hit their targets anyway due to all the hybrids.
As a lot of above posters have said, against all odds, they seem to have achieved a bit of a miracle. I sincerely hope that the market response and demand for this in the real world doesn't make them regret such a ballsy move.
As a lot of above posters have said, against all odds, they seem to have achieved a bit of a miracle. I sincerely hope that the market response and demand for this in the real world doesn't make them regret such a ballsy move.
big_rob_sydney said:
Scoobies were deliberately released with understeer, because it was safer for inexperienced drivers. This could easily be rectified by something like a Whiteline adjustable sway bar, which was pretty inexpensive if one was inclined to modify their car.
I never had any problems with any of my Scoobies understeering though, and can pretty happily say they were incredibly quick point to point across a B road.
Agreed and apologies for the pedantics. One of my most memorable (passenger) rides was in an early import WRX and I've loved them ever since.I never had any problems with any of my Scoobies understeering though, and can pretty happily say they were incredibly quick point to point across a B road.
SuperPav said:
Working for an OEM, for me the most impressive way of looking at this is Toyota are one of the largest manufacturers who have not even yet brought out a battery electric car, instead of a BEV have managed to develop a car in a declining segment and launched this into Europe in the year that CO2 fines are about to kick in. Mind you, they are one of the few manufacturers who should hit their targets anyway due to all the hybrids.
As a lot of above posters have said, against all odds, they seem to have achieved a bit of a miracle. I sincerely hope that the market response and demand for this in the real world doesn't make them regret such a ballsy move.
It is the fact they sell so many "humdrum" low co2 cars that has allowed them to do this, and as so many have said, well done Toyota.As a lot of above posters have said, against all odds, they seem to have achieved a bit of a miracle. I sincerely hope that the market response and demand for this in the real world doesn't make them regret such a ballsy move.
Just had a look at the Toyota news page for more pics (https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/30976389.html#). That looks fabulous from every angle, the rear 3/4 shot especially.
If GR can make a Yaris this appealing, I'd love to see their take on the Mk2 GT86. Or reviving the Celica name with a updated version of the RA28.
On the issue of price, the previous EU import tax for goods imported from Japan has been slashed to zero* at the beginning of last year. Hopefully that means the GB price will be closer to the JP conversion price than previously. (Well for another 11 months anyway, after which who the F knows).
If GR can make a Yaris this appealing, I'd love to see their take on the Mk2 GT86. Or reviving the Celica name with a updated version of the RA28.
On the issue of price, the previous EU import tax for goods imported from Japan has been slashed to zero* at the beginning of last year. Hopefully that means the GB price will be closer to the JP conversion price than previously. (Well for another 11 months anyway, after which who the F knows).
- https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/01/business/japan-eu-free-trade-pact/#.XhidGVf7RaQ
Kolbenkopp said:
Yup -- it's 2.500 homologation cars from a base model that needs to sell at least 25.000 (in 12 months). To the regs, this 3-door "Yaris" is too far away from the regular car, the GR is viewed as separate model. Hence the need to shift so many.
Makes Toyota's commitment even more remarkable IMO. Think from a commercial perspective this is utter madness. Dunno how they managed to get the 3 door shell signed off -- can't be without help of the big boss.
If they really need to shift 25k of these per year, there are going to be some cracking finance deals on offer. Makes Toyota's commitment even more remarkable IMO. Think from a commercial perspective this is utter madness. Dunno how they managed to get the 3 door shell signed off -- can't be without help of the big boss.
ash73 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Colour me unimpressed.
2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
NVH & crash safety will be leagues ahead in the Yaris.2020 Toyota Yaris. 260 bhp. 1260 kg.
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Type RA. 275 bhp. 1250 kg.
This is coming from an avid Subaru owner. I had a 96 STI and currently a P1 both lightly modded to improve their cornering ability and when you compare them to modern/ relatively modern machines like hot hatches, super saloons they are not even close.
I'd need to do a full suspension swap or run on slicks to get anywhere near the cornering ability of something like this Yaris.
DeanHelix said:
Just had a look at the Toyota news page for more pics (https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/30976389.html#). That looks fabulous from every angle, the rear 3/4 shot especially.
If GR can make a Yaris this appealing, I'd love to see their take on the Mk2 GT86. Or reviving the Celica name with a updated version of the RA28.
On the issue of price, the previous EU import tax for goods imported from Japan has been slashed to zero* at the beginning of last year. Hopefully that means the GB price will be closer to the JP conversion price than previously. (Well for another 11 months anyway, after which who the F knows).
Yowzers!If GR can make a Yaris this appealing, I'd love to see their take on the Mk2 GT86. Or reviving the Celica name with a updated version of the RA28.
On the issue of price, the previous EU import tax for goods imported from Japan has been slashed to zero* at the beginning of last year. Hopefully that means the GB price will be closer to the JP conversion price than previously. (Well for another 11 months anyway, after which who the F knows).
- https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/01/business/japan-eu-free-trade-pact/#.XhidGVf7RaQ
TX.
Good God I love that, even in white.
Simple but stylish forged wheels with a usable finish and sidewall and no visual fakery going like vents and hidden peashooter exhausts. Looks great as a 3-door with those wide hips, very Clio v6 in my eyes. I'm going to need to find a way to have this in my life.
Who ever is trying to rekindle Toyota's mojo please keep doing what you are doing.
Simple but stylish forged wheels with a usable finish and sidewall and no visual fakery going like vents and hidden peashooter exhausts. Looks great as a 3-door with those wide hips, very Clio v6 in my eyes. I'm going to need to find a way to have this in my life.
Who ever is trying to rekindle Toyota's mojo please keep doing what you are doing.
DeanHelix said:
Just had a look at the Toyota news page for more pics (https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/30976389.html#). That looks fabulous from every angle, the rear 3/4 shot especially.
If GR can make a Yaris this appealing, I'd love to see their take on the Mk2 GT86. Or reviving the Celica name with a updated version of the RA28.
On the issue of price, the previous EU import tax for goods imported from Japan has been slashed to zero* at the beginning of last year. Hopefully that means the GB price will be closer to the JP conversion price than previously. (Well for another 11 months anyway, after which who the F knows).
back seats If GR can make a Yaris this appealing, I'd love to see their take on the Mk2 GT86. Or reviving the Celica name with a updated version of the RA28.
On the issue of price, the previous EU import tax for goods imported from Japan has been slashed to zero* at the beginning of last year. Hopefully that means the GB price will be closer to the JP conversion price than previously. (Well for another 11 months anyway, after which who the F knows).
- https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/01/business/japan-eu-free-trade-pact/#.XhidGVf7RaQ
Rsx Boy said:
nickfrog said:
Do you use all that power past 3rd gear and use all the lateral grip? Or are those roads private?
No Mr Frog. My power question was/is all about grip, lateral or otherwise.
The joy of having "enough" power is that you can unstick the car, on your demand, on the throttle.
If you dont have enough to do this.......Will it be enough fun ?......are you going to pay 40 grand for it ?
Is feeling the car moving / having the ability to break traction a style of driving you like / derive fun from ?
This is a Rally car after all !
One of the promo vids does show big slides which hints a cheeky diff setup BUT it is on gravel and you can slide a s
tter on dust.Your view on these things will colour if you try to get your name against one.
Al Klostert said:
Well done to Toyota, and most probably Akio Toyoda himself, like the signing off of the WRC programme.
1.6T 3 pot, 260BHP.....in this day and age, and in our crowded roads, is more than enough. Every time I see comments on here about needing more power I just roll my eyes.
agree, I have more powerful cars but on a country road the most enjoyment is derived from driving my manual 200 RS Clio. This has plenty of power and with the 4wd I can use it to drift up snowy mountain roads next winter - will be bliss 1.6T 3 pot, 260BHP.....in this day and age, and in our crowded roads, is more than enough. Every time I see comments on here about needing more power I just roll my eyes.
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