Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!

[usman224]

Sam.M said:

usman224 said:

BurtonLazars said:

Oh lawd you guys need something else to think about else you’re gonna cause mischief and delivery is gonna be a long time coming

Been looking at iPhones to distract myself, its not helping at all

Did you know the GR Yaris has Apple CarPlay?

Damn you, Novembers going to be an expensive month

[Krikkit]

usman224 said:

Bispal said:

usman224 said:

I reckon non circuit packs cars will be easy to pick up after a test drive, since from my understanding it seems that it's the CP cars that are the ones 'flying off the shelf'.

Perhaps but they won't have an LSD. Bit fed up of these option packs why cant we just pick and choose!

I think it's due to all emission regulations, I heard that they have to test every variation of a vehicle and splitting cars into 'packs' cuts the testing price down considerably. Thats what I have heard anyway, not sure if its true.

Correct, WLTP means that manufacturers aren't allowed to "estimate" i.e. gamble the emissions any more. A car has to be certified with every single combination of options I believe. Hence why a lot of options are disappearing and being amalgamated into packs instead.

[anonymous-user]

I found a company who did WLTP testing for OEMs.

Guess how much?

[usman224]

Sam.M said:

I found a company who did WLTP testing for OEMs.

Guess how much?

Must be a fair whack if all manufacturers are doing it. A few grand per car 'pack'?

[anonymous-user]

€15k a pop.

So honestly, not exorbitant when we’re talking OEM budgets. They’d have had to do WLTP for the fully loaded cars in Japan too.

So I think they either misjudged the demand for more options and it was too late to u-turn, or wanted to keep the price for the highest spec car under £35k. It could also be that a more fully loaded car would have increased the VED payable on the car, something they wanted to avoid.

Personally, £1500 more on the purchase price and £20 a year more would have been worth it, but anyway. What's done is done.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 21st October 10:31

[ecsrobin]

Sam.M said:

€15k a pop.

So honestly, not exorbitant when we’re talking OEM budgets. They’d have had to do WLTP for the fully loaded cars in Japan too.

So I think they either misjudged the demand for more options and it was too late to u-turn, or wanted to keep the price for the highest spec car under £35k. It could also be that a more fully loaded car would have increased the VED payable on the car, something they wanted to avoid.

Personally, £1500 more on the purchase price and £20 a year more would have been worth it, but anyway. What's done is done.

Edited by Sam.M on Wednesday 21st October 10:31

That could be a huge sum surely as you have to test each variant so circuit pack with heated seats but no hud, heated seats and hud, hud no heated seats.

You could rack up a few million just in the testing I’d guess.

[anonymous-user]

ecsrobin said:

That could be a huge sum surely as you have to test each variant so circuit pack with heated seats but no hud, heated seats and hud, hud no heated seats.

You could rack up a few million just in the testing I’d guess.

Only if you were intending to offer each option individually, which isn't the case in Japan I believe

So if we take the EU grades

GR Yaris
GR Yaris Convenience Pack
GR Yaris Circuit Pack

How many combinations?

GR Yaris
GR Yaris Convenience Pack
GR Yaris Circuit Pack
GR Yaris Circuit Pack+Convenience Pack

4 combinations, €60k in testing.

Anyway, we could go on for pages(again) about this. We're getting what we're getting and I'm over it.

[Darren198]

usman224 said:

I reckon non circuit packs cars will be easy to pick up after a test drive, since from my understanding it seems that it's the CP cars that are the ones 'flying off the shelf'.

Are they actually limiting them? I thought Toyota were going to make as many as they can sell? With the GRMN being talked about, I'd imagine if that happens they're going to be building the GR for some time.
I don't know why it's taking so long to get something out there for customers to try. As with a previous poster, I don't want to buy something I regret. LSD's will be good in wet/snow conditions but I don't want my teeth broken by a rock hard suspension

Edited by Darren198 on Wednesday 21st October 11:20

[ecsrobin]

Hyundai stopped selling the non circuit pack variant in the UK as it didn’t sell. I imagine most orders will be for the pack but Toyota will keep the normal variant to say it’s under £30k

[usman224]

Darren198 said:

usman224 said:

I reckon non circuit packs cars will be easy to pick up after a test drive, since from my understanding it seems that it's the CP cars that are the ones 'flying off the shelf'.

Are they actually limiting them? I thought Toyota were going to make as many as they can sell? With the GRMN being talked about, I'd imagine if that happens they're going to be building the GR for some time.
I don't know why it's taking so long to get something out there for customers to try. As with a previous poster, I don't want to buy something I regret. LSD's will be good in wet/snow conditions but I don't want my teeth broken but a rock hard suspension .

Edited by Darren198 on Wednesday 21st October 11:15

No I don't think they are limiting them. I just think the CP cars are the ones in more of a demand and thus will be snapped up faster and I expect some form of wait for them in the future if they do sell well. Non CP cars (in my opinion) will be readily available as I think not many people would want them, so I don't think non CP buyers will have much of an issue.

This is all dependant on the ratio of CP and non CP cars they are bringing over though, if 80% of the cars on the boat are CP then that would make non CP rarer but in turn less people would be after them anyway. However if the ratio is 50/50 then I personally think the CP cars will fly out the showrooms and the non CP cars will slowly be chipped away at and hopefully people who want them will get to try them.

[anonymous-user]

usman224 said:

No I don't think they are limiting them. I just think the CP cars are the ones in more of a demand and thus will be snapped up faster and I expect some form of wait for them in the future if they do sell well. Non CP cars (in my opinion) will be readily available as I think not many people would want them, so I don't think non CP buyers will have much of an issue.

This is all dependant on the ratio of CP and non CP cars they are bringing over though, if 80% of the cars on the boat are CP then that would make non CP rarer but in turn less people would be after them anyway. However if the ratio is 50/50 then I personally think the CP cars will fly out the showrooms and the non CP cars will slowly be chipped away at and hopefully people who want them will get to try them.

Given the recent decision to release the convenience pack, I'd be surprised if we see that many GR Yaris grade cars being sold.

I can't imagine many people who don't want the diffs would pass up adding the Convenience Pack for the sake of what, £1200 or so?

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 21st October 11:46

[usman224]

Sam.M said:

Given the recent decision to release the convenience pack, I'd be surprised if we see that many GR Yaris grade cars being sold.

I can't imagine many people would pass up adding the Convenience Pack for the sake of what, £1200 or so?

Good point, I'll be honest I completely forgot they added the convenience pack to the line up. I agree, can't see many base GR Yaris's (Yarii??) ever being ordered.

[anonymous-user]

Given it was a late addition to the lineup(last month), I can imagine Toyota will be sitting on a few GR Yaris grade cars after people switched their orders.

[rodericb]

It's odd how the Yaris "grades" are there in the UK and that they introduced that extra pack late into it all. Are they the same across Europe? Here in Aus we'll have the normal one, which is the same as the convenience pack you get, and the performance pack (or whatever it's called) is what we get plus the wheels, tyres, red brake calipers, suspension, diffs and I would guess the IC water spray. The "boggo" version has already sold it's initial 1000 units, plus another 100. There'll be 250 Performance Pack cars in 2021. As per the comments about WLTP and "packages" the Japan GR's have some sort of bundled option thing going on and a few more options not available anywhere else. Some are Japan-specific like tollway stuff but they do actually have red calipers as an option on the standard GR!

[anonymous-user]

rodericb said:

It's odd how the Yaris "grades" are there in the UK. Are they the same across Europe?

To my knowledge, yes, EU/UK all get the three grades, vanilla GR Yaris, ConvPack and CircuitPack.

[Galerion]

Sam.M said:

To my knowledge, yes, EU/UK all get the three grades, vanilla GR Yaris, ConvPack and CircuitPack.

Nope here in Germany it's pretty much as in AUS/JP. Two grades. A base version that is basically the same as the convenience pack in the UK and then you can order the circuit pack on top of it. In Germany it's called the High Performance model.

[anonymous-user]

Galerion said:

Sam.M said:

To my knowledge, yes, EU/UK all get the three grades, vanilla GR Yaris, ConvPack and CircuitPack.

Nope here in Germany it's pretty much as in AUS/JP. Two grades. A base version that is basically the same as the convenience pack in the UK and then you can order the circuit pack on top of it. In Germany it's called the High Performance model.

Booo.

Another reason for me to move to the EU when I can

[ecsrobin]

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[Leon R]

Galerion said:

Sam.M said:

To my knowledge, yes, EU/UK all get the three grades, vanilla GR Yaris, ConvPack and CircuitPack.

Nope here in Germany it's pretty much as in AUS/JP. Two grades. A base version that is basically the same as the convenience pack in the UK and then you can order the circuit pack on top of it. In Germany it's called the High Performance model.

You sure? A buddy of mine out there is looking at them and from what he says website lists the GR and the High Performance Pack and neither mention the convenience pack features.

[shoestring7]

Sam.M said:

Given the recent decision to release the convenience pack, I'd be surprised if we see that many GR Yaris grade cars being sold.

I can't imagine many people who don't want the diffs would pass up adding the Convenience Pack for the sake of what, £1200 or so?

Edited by Sam.M on Wednesday 21st October 11:46

£2200/£50pm. Worth it if you can't face life on the open road without front parking sensors, rear parking sensors, blind spot monitoring and 'Rear Cross traffic with brake assist' (spot a theme here....?).

Oh, and heated seats, two more speakers and Waze Toyota's own Nav system.