Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
Discussion
I get all my fun from driving B roads my Abarth used to keep up with much bigger stuff on them roads and I’m hoping this car will mean I pull away from the bigger stuff. If it can do that I’m happy.
The other part of it is I enjoy driving to Europe if it can do that comfortably (and all signs say it should with the adaptive cruise control vs my right foot currently) then I’m happy.
A bonus would be the childish fun that I got from the Abarth of just being noisy as standard and a car that had non motoring people want to speak to you about what it is then I’d be equally as happy. Although we all know the standard sound will not achieve that.
The other part of it is I enjoy driving to Europe if it can do that comfortably (and all signs say it should with the adaptive cruise control vs my right foot currently) then I’m happy.
A bonus would be the childish fun that I got from the Abarth of just being noisy as standard and a car that had non motoring people want to speak to you about what it is then I’d be equally as happy. Although we all know the standard sound will not achieve that.
Galerion said:
I'm pretty confident the Yaris will be faster than all of those besides the Alpine. That's what counts. At least to me and many others.
While I wouldn't disagree about it being faster than all the cars I mention bar the Alpine - but there are plenty of hot hatches that are cheaper than the GR which considerably faster. Speed/competance is not enough. The GR has got to offer something special - and I thought it was going to, but now I'm not so sure. I hope I am proved wrong .... bcr5784 said:
While I wouldn't disagree about it being faster than all the cars I mention bar the Alpine - but there are plenty of hot hatches that are cheaper than the GR which considerably faster. Speed/competance is not enough. The GR has got to offer something special - and I thought it was going to, but now I'm not so sure. I hope I am proved wrong ....
What hot hatches are cheaper and considerably faster? bcr5784 said:
The GR has got to offer something special - and I thought it was going to, but now I'm not so sure.
I realise the irony of what I'm about to say given how vocal I was about the lack of options but I'm gonna power through it...What isn't special about a bespoke, rally homologation special, built from a clean sheet, with driver adjustable all wheel drive, aluminium panels, carbon roof and 200hp/tonne?
What specialness are you hoping for over and above that?
Lighty said:
Well mine is due at the dealers on 14th. I am a little apprehensive,
Maybe we are expecting too much, at the end of the day it’s not going to be a slow car & with today’s traffic you can’t exactly fly around everywhere.
Iam hoping it can ge a bit tail happy, but I have other cars for “skids”.
I am more hoping for loads of snow & I can fit a set of winter tyres in it
I could imagine with brand new tyres, it's going to be very grippy and feel quite sombre on public roads at normal speeds. Be careful on these wet wintery roads, I wouldn't be surprised it gives an all-or-nothing kind of feel with grip on the limit.Maybe we are expecting too much, at the end of the day it’s not going to be a slow car & with today’s traffic you can’t exactly fly around everywhere.
Iam hoping it can ge a bit tail happy, but I have other cars for “skids”.
I am more hoping for loads of snow & I can fit a set of winter tyres in it
Presumably, the chassis and set up will be such that with more worn down tyres or like you say, winter tyres on snow, you would get a bit of throttle adjustability - I'm not talking about swinging the back out but you can feel the lateral momentum controlled by throttle on bends/corners.
Leon R said:
bcr5784 said:
- but there are plenty of hot hatches that are cheaper than the GR which considerably faster.
Example?1, Honda Civic Type R more expensive
2, Hyundai i30 N probably the only thing that comes close to similar for less money but not faster 0-60 and doubt on track or b road
3, Mercedes-AMG A45 S - more expensive
4, Renault Sport Mégane RS more expensive
5, Ford Fiesta ST cheaper but Yaris is same weight with 4wd and more powerful with a quicker 0-60
6, Ford Focus ST more expensive
7, Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR more expensive
8, Volkswagen Golf R more expensive
9, Mercedes-AMG A35more expensive
10, Volkswagen Up GTI - no competition
Leon R said:
Example?
Your (Seat) namesake Cupra naturally springs to mind. And you are ignoring discounts which are available - a Megane would be cheaper. List prices these days aren't necessarily a good guide.Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th October 14:43
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th October 14:47
bcr5784 said:
Your (Seat) namesake Cupra naturally springs to mind. And you are ignoring discounts which are available - a Megane would be cheaper. List prices these days aren't necessarily a good guide.
I don’t think you can order a Leon cupra currently so not really a contender? The new 4wd version is pitched at £37k when it goes on sale. Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th October 14:43
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th October 14:47
Yes you can get money off list with many of the cars but that would likely only get them close to the base price of the Toyota. What about the “considerably faster” part of your statement?
bcr5784 said:
Leon R said:
Example?
Your (Seat) namesake Cupra naturally springs to mind. And you are ignoring discounts which are available - a Megane would be cheaper. List prices these days aren't necessarily a good guide.Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th October 14:43
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th October 14:47
The megane is £37,000 if you want the diff.
The other thing to consider is that it is a Toyota , so will work. A 5 yr warranty is great.
My son purchased a new 66 plate Megane RS( last of the old model)
It was totally unreliable & in 18 months the dealer had it more than we did. I was on 1st name terms with Renault customer services , Iam sure they called me c@@t
.
In the end we sold the car, it never got fixed.
I can’t imagine this will happen with Toyota.
My son purchased a new 66 plate Megane RS( last of the old model)
It was totally unreliable & in 18 months the dealer had it more than we did. I was on 1st name terms with Renault customer services , Iam sure they called me c@@t
.In the end we sold the car, it never got fixed.
I can’t imagine this will happen with Toyota.
I took an MR2 Turbo from 40,000 miles to 100,000 miles over a 5 year period, with the usual "stage 1" + boostup.
Never once failed on me and it was often driven enthusiastically. Only had consumables and a couple of alternators, which failed because the loom plug was loose causing arcing.
Most reliable car I've ever owned. Hoping this is true for the GR.
Never once failed on me and it was often driven enthusiastically. Only had consumables and a couple of alternators, which failed because the loom plug was loose causing arcing.
Most reliable car I've ever owned. Hoping this is true for the GR.
ecsrobin said:
Leon R said:
bcr5784 said:
- but there are plenty of hot hatches that are cheaper than the GR which considerably faster.
Example?1, Honda Civic Type R more expensive
2, Hyundai i30 N probably the only thing that comes close to similar for less money but not faster 0-60 and doubt on track or b road
3, Mercedes-AMG A45 S - more expensive
4, Renault Sport Mégane RS more expensive
5, Ford Fiesta ST cheaper but Yaris is same weight with 4wd and more powerful with a quicker 0-60
6, Ford Focus ST more expensive
7, Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR more expensive
8, Volkswagen Golf R more expensive
9, Mercedes-AMG A35more expensive
10, Volkswagen Up GTI - no competition
Using the GRs 0-60 isn't the best guide, experience with my Impreza has shown that even though it can do 0-60 about 1 sec quicker than most of its rivals back in the day, once up and rolling its only as quick as if not slower than them. So for example if the Yaris is less than 0.5 sec quicker 0-60 using a full bore clutch stepping launch than a i30N then most of the time the i30 will probably win, be able to do it many more times and will probably be quicker once on the move too. As for getting away from one on the road you would have to be going full on silly speed for the difference in car spec to become apparent
Civic Type R is cheaper on the monthlies too.
RB Will said:
Just a few things to consider, not everyone will be looking to buy one of these outright so ultimate list price may not be too applicable so just had a quick look and things like the Golf and AMG are cheaper on the monthly payments than the GR. Even so the Golf R is only about £1500 more list price and about 1 sec faster 0-60 if that is your metric, AMG also similar. They also have the advantage of being able to do that all day long with their auto boxes.
Using the GRs 0-60 isn't the best guide, experience with my Impreza has shown that even though it can do 0-60 about 1 sec quicker than most of its rivals back in the day, once up and rolling its only as quick as if not slower than them. So for example if the Yaris is less than 0.5 sec quicker 0-60 using a full bore clutch stepping launch than a i30N then most of the time the i30 will probably win, be able to do it many more times and will probably be quicker once on the move too. As for getting away from one on the road you would have to be going full on silly speed for the difference in car spec to become apparent
Civic Type R is cheaper on the monthlies too.
He said much faster so I took it as 0-60 as on a track is hard to define without the Yaris in our hands. Using the GRs 0-60 isn't the best guide, experience with my Impreza has shown that even though it can do 0-60 about 1 sec quicker than most of its rivals back in the day, once up and rolling its only as quick as if not slower than them. So for example if the Yaris is less than 0.5 sec quicker 0-60 using a full bore clutch stepping launch than a i30N then most of the time the i30 will probably win, be able to do it many more times and will probably be quicker once on the move too. As for getting away from one on the road you would have to be going full on silly speed for the difference in car spec to become apparent
Civic Type R is cheaper on the monthlies too.
I’ve just looked at a golf gti and on PCP the monthlies are more, over a longer term than you do on the Yaris and at 5.9% apr vs 1.9% apr with Toyota you will end up paying more interest.
Sam.M said:
I realise the irony of what I'm about to say given how vocal I was about the lack of options but I'm gonna power through it...
What isn't special about a bespoke, rally homologation special, built from a clean sheet, with driver adjustable all wheel drive, aluminium panels, carbon roof and 200hp/tonne?
What specialness are you hoping for over and above that?
It's got to deliver on the road. The spec is great, the hype was very promising - but that isn't enough. It's got to be more special to DRIVE than the opposition to get my vote. What isn't special about a bespoke, rally homologation special, built from a clean sheet, with driver adjustable all wheel drive, aluminium panels, carbon roof and 200hp/tonne?
What specialness are you hoping for over and above that?
In many ways when it was announced I had the similar optimism I had when the A110 was announced. The A110 had a terrific spec sheet - all aluminium super light double wishbone etc - but if it hadn't delivered on the road it would have been an opportunity missed - and I wouldn't have bought one.
As I say I really hope JDM are wrong - but why would they be so lukewarm about the car?
Nice find and only two weeks to go. At least for a few. I still don't know if my car will arrive mid-November but of course I hope so.
Also a new video upload about the car at Goodwood Speedweek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKP-IKHvj5A
Also a new video upload about the car at Goodwood Speedweek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKP-IKHvj5A
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