Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
Discussion
ferrisbueller said:
So what was the breakdown of the total cost of ownership over 5 years 60k miles?
Only had it 4 years and just under 20k. Unfortunately don't have the bills to hand, but with fixed price servicing that is now in place (or better still a good indy) servicing costs were around the schedule quoted, would have been less with an Indy. The only extras you have to factor in are plug changes and brake fluid changes - which the Yaris will be subject to. bcr5784 said:
ferrisbueller said:
So what was the breakdown of the total cost of ownership over 5 years 60k miles?
Only had it 4 years and just under 20k. Unfortunately don't have the bills to hand, but with fixed price servicing that is now in place (or better still a good indy) servicing costs were around the schedule quoted, would have been less with an Indy. The only extras you have to factor in are plug changes and brake fluid changes - which the Yaris will be subject to. ChrisW. said:
Nardiola said:
Mine is coming in two weeks (in Switzerland) - Basic White + Track Pack. Having been putting money aside for a 981 Boxster / Cayman S / GTS but bang for but, felt this little thing was a better, more fun package! Had it on demo for a couple of hours and was grinning like a loon the whole time. Fab car!
You'll need to take care with speed in Switzerland ... when I worked there I was handed a sheet showing how little excess speed would send me directly to gaol ...If I remember correctly, for lower speeds I believe that if banned there was the option for mobility of a moped ?
I've had a few fines on the moto this year, 52km/h in a 50 and 110km/h in a 100 (just before it became a 120km/h limit).
Also if you do get banned, you're not allowed to ride mopeds either!
ferrisbueller said:
Depreciation?
That's obviously much greater, - but we were talking service costs which, despite the eyewatering hourly rates Porsche charge, aren't that high for the class of car because of the long service intervals. By contrast the Yaris is undeniably expensive to service - certainly for something which might be categorised with hot hatches and particularly if you do a higher than average mileage.PhilPol said:
Does the Focus weight 650,000 tonnes or are they known for not making their power as that Yaris walked away with ease. Considering the alleged power difference.Very impressive.
bcr5784 said:
ferrisbueller said:
Depreciation?
That's obviously much greater, - but we were talking service costs which, despite the eyewatering hourly rates Porsche charge, aren't that high for the class of car because of the long service intervals. By contrast the Yaris is undeniably expensive to service - certainly for something which might be categorised with hot hatches and particularly if you do a higher than average mileage.You didn't do enough miles in your Porsche for long enough to make a valid comparison to the Yaris servicing numbers you're referring to.
And it was your daily driver?
ferrisbueller said:
I said overall running costs. Depreciation is typically the single biggest one.
You didn't do enough miles in your Porsche for long enough to make a valid comparison to the Yaris servicing numbers you're referring to.
And it was your daily driver?
Yes it was my daily - but since I am retired I don't do vast miles - but did use for everything from holidays to going to the shops or the tip. Re valid costs, I can't find official current Porsche fixed prices but these are RPM ( a well known Indy) prices for my 981SYou didn't do enough miles in your Porsche for long enough to make a valid comparison to the Yaris servicing numbers you're referring to.
And it was your daily driver?
20k (2 years) £334
40k (4years) £414
60k (6 years including spark plugs) £606
None include brake fluid. Now the reason Porsche introduced fixed prices servicing it because these are the prices they are competing with. There is a limit to what people will pay an OPC for the same job. That would work out Vastly cheaper than servicing a Yaris at a Toyota dealer whatever mileage you did.
Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting a Porsche is going to be as cheap to own as a Yaris.
Vickers_VC10 said:
PhilPol said:
Does the Focus weight 650,000 tonnes or are they known for not making their power as that Yaris walked away with ease. Considering the alleged power difference.Very impressive.
Impressive little car but I think something is up with that video.
Elatino1 said:
Its a strange video as carwow and other sources have them both clocking almost identical 1/4 mile times.
Impressive little car but I think something is up with that video.
I would tend to agree as normally in circumstances where a car pulls away like that, it either has a huge power advantage or is significantly lighter. On paper that should never happen and again the carwow videos seem more logical in their result. Impressive little car but I think something is up with that video.
bcr5784 said:
Yes it was my daily - but since I am retired I don't do vast miles - but did use for everything from holidays to going to the shops or the tip. Re valid costs, I can't find official current Porsche fixed prices but these are RPM ( a well known Indy) prices for my 981S
20k (2 years) £334
40k (4years) £414
60k (6 years including spark plugs) £606
None include brake fluid. Now the reason Porsche introduced fixed prices servicing it because these are the prices they are competing with. There is a limit to what people will pay an OPC for the same job. That would work out Vastly cheaper than servicing a Yaris at a Toyota dealer whatever mileage you did.
Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting a Porsche is going to be as cheap to own as a Yaris.
Based on the GFV figures for the Yaris, it has the potential for a big depreciation cost. Still cheaper than a new Porsche, but I expect a used cayman/boxster at £33k would be fairly cheap on depreciation to the 2nd owner. 20k (2 years) £334
40k (4years) £414
60k (6 years including spark plugs) £606
None include brake fluid. Now the reason Porsche introduced fixed prices servicing it because these are the prices they are competing with. There is a limit to what people will pay an OPC for the same job. That would work out Vastly cheaper than servicing a Yaris at a Toyota dealer whatever mileage you did.
Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting a Porsche is going to be as cheap to own as a Yaris.
Elatino1 said:
Vickers_VC10 said:
PhilPol said:
Does the Focus weight 650,000 tonnes or are they known for not making their power as that Yaris walked away with ease. Considering the alleged power difference.Very impressive.
Impressive little car but I think something is up with that video.
But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
Drove one yesterday and blimey what a car!
Everything about it dynamically is fantastic, Toyota need a massive pat on the back for building this car. Out of the box it`s spot on
Seat position, not an issue. I`m 6 foot it`s fine, and you don`t feel too high. Focus RS mk 2 seating position was high this isn`t. If you have a full cage in then yes you`ll probably have an issue.
The view through the window between the screen and rear view mirror. Can see what people mean but again not an issue
Am I pleased I ordered one? Absolutely, if I hadn`t then test drove one, the wait until November would have been painful. Instead this March I`ll be in one
Everything about it dynamically is fantastic, Toyota need a massive pat on the back for building this car. Out of the box it`s spot on
Seat position, not an issue. I`m 6 foot it`s fine, and you don`t feel too high. Focus RS mk 2 seating position was high this isn`t. If you have a full cage in then yes you`ll probably have an issue.
The view through the window between the screen and rear view mirror. Can see what people mean but again not an issue
Am I pleased I ordered one? Absolutely, if I hadn`t then test drove one, the wait until November would have been painful. Instead this March I`ll be in one
Edited by forest172 on Wednesday 13th January 10:26
PhilPol said:
Elatino1 said:
Vickers_VC10 said:
PhilPol said:
Does the Focus weight 650,000 tonnes or are they known for not making their power as that Yaris walked away with ease. Considering the alleged power difference.Very impressive.
Impressive little car but I think something is up with that video.
But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
Had a few plays with a friend when he had one of the mk2 RS 500s and my Impreza, even with 4 blokes in it walked it like the Yaris does in the clip above.
At the last trackday I did in my Impreza, even with it on low boost I was having to heavily back off behind a modded mk3 RS on the straights. He had a better chassis in the really twisty stuff but once he let me through I was about 4 secs a lap quicker going off my video footage.
Driving back from Goodwood I came upon a mk3 RS and he hoofed it and I had no trouble staying on him despite only using 3/4 revs, because I was still running mine in.
I had a drive of a friends new mk3 RS and was left completely underwhelmed by it, even with him, a race driver, giving it stick it still didn’t feel interesting from the passenger seat.
And lastly I remember back when the mk3 came out, Impreza and Evo owners were taking the mick with memes about it being slow. Things like quoting the RS’s 1/4 mile time and saying “welcome to 2004”. Not that Imprezas and Evos have been quicker since then mind
Blissy0 said:
Based on the GFV figures for the Yaris, it has the potential for a big depreciation cost. Still cheaper than a new Porsche, but I expect a used cayman/boxster at £33k would be fairly cheap on depreciation to the 2nd owner.
I suspect that is misleading. No-one knows what depreciation is really going to be - so the GFV is conservative. Exactly the same thing happened with the A110 when it came out - but then depreciation turned out to be very low. Don't know whether the Yaris will do quite as well, but I would certainly expect depreciation to be modest in the medium term because of the long delivery dates now being quoted.bcr5784 said:
ferrisbueller said:
I said overall running costs. Depreciation is typically the single biggest one.
You didn't do enough miles in your Porsche for long enough to make a valid comparison to the Yaris servicing numbers you're referring to.
And it was your daily driver?
Yes it was my daily - but since I am retired I don't do vast miles - but did use for everything from holidays to going to the shops or the tip. Re valid costs, I can't find official current Porsche fixed prices but these are RPM ( a well known Indy) prices for my 981SYou didn't do enough miles in your Porsche for long enough to make a valid comparison to the Yaris servicing numbers you're referring to.
And it was your daily driver?
20k (2 years) £334
40k (4years) £414
60k (6 years including spark plugs) £606
None include brake fluid. Now the reason Porsche introduced fixed prices servicing it because these are the prices they are competing with. There is a limit to what people will pay an OPC for the same job. That would work out Vastly cheaper than servicing a Yaris at a Toyota dealer whatever mileage you did.
Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting a Porsche is going to be as cheap to own as a Yaris.
As I said, I would like to see the overall costs of running a Porsche as a daily doing 10k a year. I've done it with M3s and it gets ugly. Maybe it's not so bad now.
Blissy0 said:
Based on the GFV figures for the Yaris, it has the potential for a big depreciation cost. Still cheaper than a new Porsche, but I expect a used cayman/boxster at £33k would be fairly cheap on depreciation to the 2nd owner.
Agree. Indeed, there are numerous cars you could buy for £30k that could go up in value but, again, what does it look like when you're doing 10k a year as a daily?Gassing Station | Toyota | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff