Toyota GR Yaris - Official! (Vol 2)

[ferrisbueller]

PhilPol said:

ferrisbueller said:

MannyLon said:

ferrisbueller said:

I think you have a fundamental lack of understanding of relative performance.

Let's not get personal.

I'm not sure why that's personal.

For reference, here's that 7m12.7 lap: https://youtu.be/2rMrJp7PQxo

I would estimate the GR Yaris will be about a minute slower.

Estimated difference between both if it's tipping down?

Irrelevant to the point in question but slightly less. https://youtu.be/eED5loSLpgI

[MiseryStreak]

ferrisbueller said:

I'm not sure why that's personal.

For reference, here's that 7m12.7 lap: https://youtu.be/2rMrJp7PQxo

I would estimate the GR Yaris will be about a minute slower.

I think it will be around 40-45 seconds slower. There’s definitely a sub-8 full lap in the GR.

But yes, a different league of performance. You get the full range of driver ability with GT Porsches. I overtook a couple (both UK plates) in an Integra. The German ones come past so fast it made the car rock.

[ecsrobin]

MiseryStreak said:

I think it will be around 40-45 seconds slower. There’s definitely a sub-8 full lap in the GR.

But yes, a different league of performance. You get the full range of driver ability with GT Porsches. I overtook a couple (both UK plates) in an Integra. The German ones come past so fast it made the car rock.

I thought we’ve only had BTG times and no full lap yet as trackdays and industry had finished by the time the car was out? (Unless the Toyota motorsport mule has released a time)

[ferrisbueller]

ecsrobin said:

MiseryStreak said:

I think it will be around 40-45 seconds slower. There’s definitely a sub-8 full lap in the GR.

But yes, a different league of performance. You get the full range of driver ability with GT Porsches. I overtook a couple (both UK plates) in an Integra. The German ones come past so fast it made the car rock.

I thought we’ve only had BTG times and no full lap yet as trackdays and industry had finished by the time the car was out? (Unless the Toyota motorsport mule has released a time)

BTGs to date haven't been in great weather in terms of temps etc and have been just under 8.

[MannyLon]

ecsrobin said:

He’s not. You’re trying to say that GR Yaris is quicker (or can keep up with) than a GT3 RS. We all know it isn’t. What that videos showed was that the driver of the Yaris was pushing on more than the Porsche driver. Wether that’s ability, or the other driver on a warmup lap no one will ever know.

Last October I overtook a Dutch mustang about 3 times in the corners in a Citroen C1 round the ring that must mean a C1 is quicker right?

And now I’m being misquoted.

[MannyLon]

ferrisbueller said:

I'm not sure why that's personal.

For reference, here's that 7m12.7 lap: https://youtu.be/2rMrJp7PQxo

I would estimate the GR Yaris will be about a minute slower.

What do you have to back that claim?

[ecsrobin]

MannyLon said:

ecsrobin said:

He’s not. You’re trying to say that GR Yaris is quicker (or can keep up with) than a GT3 RS. We all know it isn’t. What that videos showed was that the driver of the Yaris was pushing on more than the Porsche driver. Wether that’s ability, or the other driver on a warmup lap no one will ever know.

Last October I overtook a Dutch mustang about 3 times in the corners in a Citroen C1 round the ring that must mean a C1 is quicker right?

And now I’m being misquoted.

Apologies

MannyLon said:

Kawasicki said:

You can tell that from that video? I couldn’t see the speedo?

Well he catches up with the 911 and in another video an M2. Okay, their not pro drivers, but still, a small car keeping up with those machines is something..

It’s not something at all. He’s not keeping up they’re just driving slower.

[ferrisbueller]

MannyLon said:

ferrisbueller said:

I'm not sure why that's personal.

For reference, here's that 7m12.7 lap: https://youtu.be/2rMrJp7PQxo

I would estimate the GR Yaris will be about a minute slower.

What do you have to back that claim?

A grasp of reality, a basic understanding of space and time and some references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...

Plus reported BTG of just under 8 + 25-30 secs for Gantry to Bridge gives mid to late 8:20s. Knock a bit off for track temp and a specialist driver.

[ferrisbueller]

MiseryStreak said:

ferrisbueller said:

I'm not sure why that's personal.

For reference, here's that 7m12.7 lap: https://youtu.be/2rMrJp7PQxo

I would estimate the GR Yaris will be about a minute slower.

I think it will be around 40-45 seconds slower. There’s definitely a sub-8 full lap in the GR.

But yes, a different league of performance. You get the full range of driver ability with GT Porsches. I overtook a couple (both UK plates) in an Integra. The German ones come past so fast it made the car rock.

Quick blat on GT Sport, using the Sport Hard tyre (which is like a Cup tyre), and not using 6th in order to replicate the 143mph limit-ish, 8:05.5 ETA 8:14 on the Comfort soft. Just for sts and grins.

Edited by ferrisbueller on Thursday 11th March 17:17

[MannyLon]

ferrisbueller said:

A grasp of reality, a basic understanding of space and time and some references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...

Plus reported BTG of just under 8 + 25-30 secs for Gantry to Bridge gives mid to late 8:20s. Knock a bit off for track temp and a specialist driver.

Well let’s agree to differ on what your understanding of reality is

Your not MrR in disguise are you?

[ferrisbueller]

MannyLon said:

ferrisbueller said:

A grasp of reality, a basic understanding of space and time and some references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...

Plus reported BTG of just under 8 + 25-30 secs for Gantry to Bridge gives mid to late 8:20s. Knock a bit off for track temp and a specialist driver.

Well let’s agree to differ on what your understanding of reality is

Your not MrR in disguise are you?

What's your reckoning then? Within a sniff of a 991 GT3?

[MannyLon]

ferrisbueller said:

What's your reckoning then? Within a sniff of a 991 GT3?

Never said that. My point was that the GR is quick in the corners..
As a result, on track, it can embarrass more expensive machinery..

[ferrisbueller]

MannyLon said:

ferrisbueller said:

What's your reckoning then? Within a sniff of a 991 GT3?

Never said that. My point was that the GR is quick in the corners..
As a result, on track, it can embarrass more expensive machinery..

You commented about the GR:

MannyLon said:

Well he catches up with the 911 and in another video an M2. Okay, their not pro drivers, but still, a small car keeping up with those machines is something..

What people are saying is that footage isn't representative of the full potential and given some context, which you're now saying isn't realistic itself.

Not sure what the quip about Walter is about. I don't know him personally but have mutual acquaintances and by all accounts he's a very nice man, as is AP.

[Kawasicki]

MannyLon said:

ferrisbueller said:

What's your reckoning then? Within a sniff of a 991 GT3?

Never said that. My point was that the GR is quick in the corners..
As a result, on track, it can embarrass more expensive machinery..

There is no evidence that is true.

[PhilPol]

Kawasicki said:

MannyLon said:

ferrisbueller said:

What's your reckoning then? Within a sniff of a 991 GT3?

Never said that. My point was that the GR is quick in the corners..
As a result, on track, it can embarrass more expensive machinery..

There is no evidence that is true.

In the wet even more so. But apparently only dry comparisons are relevant.

[ecsrobin]

MannyLon said:

ferrisbueller said:

What's your reckoning then? Within a sniff of a 991 GT3?

Never said that. My point was that the GR is quick in the corners..
As a result, on track, it can embarrass more expensive machinery..

No what its down to is driver skill not the car as shown from the auto und sport tests at hockenheim.

Like I’ve said previously I managed to overtake a mustang in the corners round the ring in October in a C1 (also out run a focus RS) it wasn’t through my skill though just that I clearly knew the circuit better than the drivers in them cars. I guess you could call that embarrassing as both cost more than the C1.

[MannyLon]

Kawasicki said:

There is no evidence that is true.

There’s a fair few vids that show the GR making up for more powerful machinery, through the corners.
Check out what EVO thought of it.

[Kawasicki]

MannyLon said:

Kawasicki said:

There is no evidence that is true.

There’s a fair few vids that show the GR making up for more powerful machinery, through the corners.
Check out what EVO thought of it.

I’ve been reading car magazines and testing cars for decades. Sometimes magazines feel the need to write what people want to read.

[MannyLon]

ecsrobin said:

No what its down to is driver skill not the car as shown from the auto und sport tests at hockenheim.

Like I’ve said previously I managed to overtake a mustang in the corners round the ring in October in a C1 (also out run a focus RS) it wasn’t through my skill though just that I clearly knew the circuit better than the drivers in them cars. I guess you could call that embarrassing as both cost more than the C1.

Nope, rally replicas have often had advantages of traction and wet weather ability. That’s not driver skill..

[MannyLon]

Kawasicki said:

I’ve been reading car magazines and testing cars for decades. Sometimes magazines feel the need to write what people want to read.

What, all of them?