Toyota GR Yaris - Official! (Vol 2)

[GTRene]

n1colas said:

France has a CO2 (and in the meantime also weight) based taxation for cars, which has been put in place essentially to protect its national automotive industry. For 2024 you have to pay already from 118g/km (threshold has been reduced every year) and amount increases with every g/km. It is capped for 2024 at 194g/km at which point you will be paying 60.000 Euro on top of vehicle price. The GRY is estimated at 190g/km for which 46.000 (just been checking) are actually due!
Good news you only pay it once, but that is still a total of 90k Euro.

German vehicle Tax is calculated based on a fairly complex mix of CO2 emissions, engine cubic capacity and fuel type and is paid yearly. You would be paying around 250 Euro / year for a GRY, possibly less. Something like a current M3 would be around 500 Euro / year.

I am not familiar with Lux vehicle taxation.

Sounds terrible, same sort here in NL since 2024 even higher C02 gr/km then in 2023..

I looked it up this morning... if you say you import a car to NL and the g/km is not known, they claim 507 g/km if you see that 500 is already almost 200k they are nuts! they steel from us, again and again and that is without the also 21% BTW (VAT)

so you buy say a new car, then on top in NL comes the BPM (Co2 g/km) and the 21% BTW (VAT) so if you buy a caterham with a fast engine, you almost pay for 2 and if you buy a new say Ford V8 with between 300-400 g/km you pay even more, see list >

BPM/Co2 bij 550 g/km = 226.163,-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 500 g/km = 198.713,-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 400 g/km = 143.813,-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 300 g/km = 88.913,-euro
BPM/C02 bij 200 g/km = 34.013,-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 190 g/km = 28.523,-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 180 g/km = 23.033,-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 170 g/km = 17.543.-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 160 g/km = 12.564,-euro
BMM/Co2 bij 150 g/km = 9.824,-euro
BPM/Co2 bij 100 g/km = 2.084,-euro

[Boxhiller]

bennno said:

French pricing reveals, circa £2k extra for auto.

Choice of red or white stitching interior.

Forged wheels circa £2k extra

Tech pack radars, rear park, hifi £1k extra

13th Jan....

Boxhiller said:

What do you reckon, an extra four or five grand extra for the high spec auto?

Blimey - I think I might have just nailed it on this occasion!

[ecsrobin]

Monday 22nd Jan. seems we know the market

ecsrobin said:

I’m thinking £43k for manual £45k by for auto, plus extra for paint.

[86]

You can order in France. 53000 euro with auto and the special forged alloys.

[86]

You can order in France. 53000 euro with auto and the special forged alloys.

[ecsrobin]

86 said:

You can order in France. 53000 euro with auto and the special forged alloys.

Thanks for joining the discussion we were having on the French pricing

[Speedgelb]

Are the forged wheels similar (same?) to the ones that came with the Mk1 CP?

What are the standard wheels on the Mk2?

As "CP" is the only trim, I thought forged wheels were standard, although the wording in the press release is confusing - could be interpreted as the auto version comes with forged wheels as standard, but the wheels are also mentioned in the spec table at the bottom, with nothing to suggest they're an extra on the manual...

https://media.toyota.co.uk/world-debut-of-the-new-...

Toyota press release said:

The automatic model will provide a higher specification with forged wheels, rear and side monitors and premium JBL sound system.

Toyota press release said:

Length (mm) 3,995
Width (mm) 1,805
Height (mm) 1,455
Wheelbase (mm) 2,560
Track – front (mm) 1,535
Track – rear (mm) 1,565
Seats 4
Kerb weight (kg) 1,280 1,300 (Gazoo Racing Direct Automatic Transmission)
Engine In-line 3-cylinder with turbocharger and intercooler
Type G16E-GTS
Bore x stroke (mm) 87.5 x 89.7
Displacement (cc) 1,618
Max. output (DIN hp/kW @ rpm)) 280/206 @ 6,500
Max. torque (Nm @ rpm) 390 @ 3,250 – 4,600
Transmission 6-speed iMT or 8-speed GAZOO Racing Direct Automatic Transmission
Drivetrain GR-FOUR AWD system, electronic multi-plate clutch AWD with three selectable modes
Differentials – front and rear Torsen LSD©
Suspension – front MacPherson strut
Suspension – rear Double wishbone
Brakes – front 356mm ventilated discs with opposed 4-pot callipers
Brakes – rear 297mm ventilated discs with opposed 2-pot callipers
Wheels BBS 8J forged aluminium
Tyres 225/40ZR18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Fuel tank capacity (l) 50

[ecsrobin]

On the French configurator they were an additional option so do think that will be the case going forward as many owners swapped wheels on collection so would help to lower the price.

[Tazio77]

I'm late coming to the thread, I saw my local Dealer today, re availability of the 2024 GR, and was lazily told, 'the UK is only having an allocation of 200 and they have all been allocated as the waiting list is full. I asked how do I get on the waiting list and there was an indifferent shrug....

[ecsrobin]

Tazio77 said:

I'm late coming to the thread, I saw my local Dealer today, re availability of the 2024 GR, and was lazily told, 'the UK is only having an allocation of 200 and they have all been allocated as the waiting list is full. I asked how do I get on the waiting list and there was an indifferent shrug....

That’s not correct.

Details are due in March but rumours have been circulating from 400 to 300 and now it seems 200 cars for the UK. I suspect that allocation is just for this year as we saw with the first cars.

There is no waiting list at present but Toyota have confirmed it will be an online process but different from the GR86 cluster fk. I suspect it will be a ballot like we’ve seen in NZ/Aus.

[Bedlamater]

Toyota are in the money making game and there is simply no way they will limit the amount of UK units to below that of a country like France where the OTR is double ours.

I can fully believe the first batch could be limited to 3-500 for 2024, but I can’t see any reason why they won’t make the near 5000 they did last time.

[BevR]

Bedlamater said:

Toyota are in the money making game and there is simply no way they will limit the amount of UK units to below that of a country like France where the OTR is double ours.

I can fully believe the first batch could be limited to 3-500 for 2024, but I can’t see any reason why they won’t make the near 5000 they did last time.

Depends on demand I guess, if it is £45k with 5+% interest rates they might not be expecting the same level of interest.

If its sub 40K with zero % (unlikely but who knows) then you are right, the UK was only originally allocated a few thousand but demand was so high we got more allocated.

[loudlashadjuster]

Bedlamater said:

Toyota are in the money making game and there is simply no way they will limit the amount of UK units to below that of a country like France where the OTR is double ours.

I can fully believe the first batch could be limited to 3-500 for 2024, but I can’t see any reason why they won’t make the near 5000 they did last time.

The only reason I don't think they will sell 5,000-odds of this model is that there just aren't enough people willing/able to buy one.

Last time there was cheap finance and the vast majority of people who would buy one have already done so. Of those, I guess they fall into five groups.

• Those who bought because of the hype. They have already sold it.
• Those who bought because of the cheap finance and have to sell at the end of the loan term because they can't afford the balloon/refinancing.
• Those who bought because of 'what it is' and would consider the new model, but the cost to change to just too much considering the limited improvement, particularly for those who have already upgraded some of the things the new model improves on.
• Those who bought as a toy but it's their third/fifth/twelfth car because money is not object. Some have sold, for others it's a keeper.
• Those who bought because of 'what it is' but absolutely have to have the latest model.

Of those groups, here's how I think they'll approach the new model:

• Some may buy the new one, but only for the new YouTube/Instagram hype cycle.
• No chance, out of their budget.
• A few may decide the update is worth the cost to change, but not many.
• Some may, some wont.
• They have already sold theirs in anticipation of the new one

Plus of course you have new buyers who didn't consider one before because of no automatic option, because they were too young/poor in 2020/21 and their situation has changed, or because just couldn't be bothered waiting.

[bencollins4]

BevR said:

Bedlamater said:

Toyota are in the money making game and there is simply no way they will limit the amount of UK units to below that of a country like France where the OTR is double ours.

I can fully believe the first batch could be limited to 3-500 for 2024, but I can’t see any reason why they won’t make the near 5000 they did last time.

Depends on demand I guess, if it is £45k with 5+% interest rates they might not be expecting the same level of interest.

If its sub 40K with zero % (unlikely but who knows) then you are right, the UK was only originally allocated a few thousand but demand was so high we got more allocated.

No doubt there’ll be more than a few hundred in time. But they are not quick to build, so it will take time.

The 0% deal was in a time where the BOE base rate was 5% lower, and they thought they would have to incentivise sales. Anyone hoping for similar this time is going to be disappointed.

[520TORQUES]

The central bank interest rate in Japan is -0.1%, Toyota could subsidise their finance deals if they want to, as storing money in their Japanese accounts costs them money currently, with inflation in Japan running at 3%, if that rate was realistic for their business inflation, they are losing 3.1% of the moneys value doing nothing with it.

The reality is they will try and charge as much as they think the market will stand, including charging a high rate of interest on any finance deal.

[86]

ecsrobin said:

Tazio77 said:

I'm late coming to the thread, I saw my local Dealer today, re availability of the 2024 GR, and was lazily told, 'the UK is only having an allocation of 200 and they have all been allocated as the waiting list is full. I asked how do I get on the waiting list and there was an indifferent shrug....

That’s not correct.

Details are due in March but rumours have been circulating from 400 to 300 and now it seems 200 cars for the UK. I suspect that allocation is just for this year as we saw with the first cars.

There is no waiting list at present but Toyota have confirmed it will be an online process but different from the GR86 cluster fk. I suspect it will be a ballot like we’ve seen in NZ/Aus.

Or is there a list? How about those that expressed interest in the mk1 and never got an allocation ?

[86]

Bedlamater said:

Toyota are in the money making game and there is simply no way they will limit the amount of UK units to below that of a country like France where the OTR is double ours.

I can fully believe the first batch could be limited to 3-500 for 2024, but I can’t see any reason why they won’t make the near 5000 they did last time.

Don’t forget Toyota have a low number of electric models in U.K. so it could really limit their petrol sales otherwise they trigger big fines

[ecsrobin]

86 said:

Or is there a list? How about those that expressed interest in the mk1 and never got an allocation ?

The list is for owners who already have a car, mine was one of the first in the UK so I’m top of the list

[bennno]

ecsrobin said:

The list is for owners who already have a car, mine was one of the first in the UK so I’m top of the list

I had two, plus a GR86, so presumably ive at least 2 places on this fictional list also?

[ecsrobin]

bennno said:

I had two, plus a GR86, so presumably ive at least 2 places on this fictional list also?

Only if you still have them