Reviews vs reality: GR Yaris 2021
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Unreal said:
I will add driving my favourite B roads 25 times a day in all weathers. I will be the demon Panda driver terrorising Porsche owners. What tyres would you recommend or will my skillz suffice?
You‘ll need to close the road, other than that get a sticky set of tyres, Michelin Sport tyres are great… and some way to track your progress, like a timer or gps data.If you stick with it, the skillz will develop with time, trust me…
Kawasicki said:
I worked as a tyre tester at a tyre company based outside Vienna.
I had a key to the proving ground, free tyres… no family, friends or even girlfriend at the time.
I drove a BMW 318is, with a lsd, decent aftermarket suspension. There was multiple tracks, but the one I practiced on for thousands of hours was a smallish dry handling track with loads of corners and 2 straights, each maybe 250m long. I also had a piece of kit that would time each lap and SAY the lap time out loud each time I passed the start/finish line. Every evening I was there, going round and round… trying everything and anything to chip away at my lap time in my poor, poor car. Nobody cared what I did, nobody even asked.
Then we invited the Porsche club of Vienna to the track. Over the whole day a large number of various Porsches, both road and race drove around the same track, A leaderboard was constructed. In the late afternoon they asked me what a decent lap time was. I told them the lap time I was driving, but didn’t mention the car. They then asked me what car it was driven with. The look on their faces was of complete disbelief when I told them it was driven with an old 4 cylinder BMW. The great thing was I could actually prove it… right there and then. I walked to my car, drove 3 laps slowly to warm everything up and on the fourth lap I got the lap time again.
Can I say that my 318is is faster than quick Porsches? No. I can say that the driver is more important than the car, even in situations where there is a huge difference between cars.
LOL. That reminds me of going karting. I'm reasonably handy and usually get one of the faster laps/get on the podium when we do GP events etc., but without local knowledge and the benefit of pounding round the same track over and over, I'm always a huge distance away from what the guys who work there can eke out with the same machinery.I had a key to the proving ground, free tyres… no family, friends or even girlfriend at the time.
I drove a BMW 318is, with a lsd, decent aftermarket suspension. There was multiple tracks, but the one I practiced on for thousands of hours was a smallish dry handling track with loads of corners and 2 straights, each maybe 250m long. I also had a piece of kit that would time each lap and SAY the lap time out loud each time I passed the start/finish line. Every evening I was there, going round and round… trying everything and anything to chip away at my lap time in my poor, poor car. Nobody cared what I did, nobody even asked.
Then we invited the Porsche club of Vienna to the track. Over the whole day a large number of various Porsches, both road and race drove around the same track, A leaderboard was constructed. In the late afternoon they asked me what a decent lap time was. I told them the lap time I was driving, but didn’t mention the car. They then asked me what car it was driven with. The look on their faces was of complete disbelief when I told them it was driven with an old 4 cylinder BMW. The great thing was I could actually prove it… right there and then. I walked to my car, drove 3 laps slowly to warm everything up and on the fourth lap I got the lap time again.
Can I say that my 318is is faster than quick Porsches? No. I can say that the driver is more important than the car, even in situations where there is a huge difference between cars.
Following them is an education, as many of the "obvious" lines, braking points etc. are completely wrong.
loudlashadjuster said:
LOL. That reminds me of going karting. I'm reasonably handy and usually get one of the faster laps/get on the podium when we do GP events etc., but without local knowledge and the benefit of pounding round the same track over and over, I'm always a huge distance away from what the guys who work there can eke out with the same machinery.
Following them is an education, as many of the "obvious" lines, braking points etc. are completely wrong.
Yup, it’s exactly the same situation. My colleagues were telling me “your line is wrong“… then I would proceed to lap the same car faster than them.Following them is an education, as many of the "obvious" lines, braking points etc. are completely wrong.
It’s not GR Yaris v 911 Turbo, but Japanese show Best MOTORing raced the GR Yaris GRMN against the GT-R Nismo on the closed winding road where they usually test tuning cars and although they loved the driving feel from the Toyota, it obviously could not compete with the Nissan in terms of speed.
StRemy said:
It’s not GR Yaris v 911 Turbo, but Japanese show Best MOTORing raced the GR Yaris GRMN against the GT-R Nismo on the closed winding road where they usually test tuning cars and although they loved the driving feel from the Toyota, it obviously could not compete with the Nissan in terms of speed.
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Captain Obvious said:
Incidentally, at my latest Time Attack event I beat a 996 GT3 by 0.9 of a second and he was on Nankang AR1 vs my Hankook RS4 which are a lower grip tire.
I think it would be very track specific (and driver, obviously) but shouldn't be surprising. Things move on a lot in 20 years, but there's a large element of horses for courses. A GT3 is significantly swifter in a straight line.ferrisbueller said:
Captain Obvious said:
Incidentally, at my latest Time Attack event I beat a 996 GT3 by 0.9 of a second and he was on Nankang AR1 vs my Hankook RS4 which are a lower grip tire.
I think it would be very track specific (and driver, obviously) but shouldn't be surprising. Things move on a lot in 20 years, but there's a large element of horses for courses. A GT3 is significantly swifter in a straight line.Kawasicki said:
ferrisbueller said:
Captain Obvious said:
Incidentally, at my latest Time Attack event I beat a 996 GT3 by 0.9 of a second and he was on Nankang AR1 vs my Hankook RS4 which are a lower grip tire.
I think it would be very track specific (and driver, obviously) but shouldn't be surprising. Things move on a lot in 20 years, but there's a large element of horses for courses. A GT3 is significantly swifter in a straight line.My point was more that, the possibility of giving stuff that's "much faster" a run for it's money is possible and realistic.
Captain Obvious said:
Incidentally, at my latest Time Attack event I beat a 996 GT3 by 0.9 of a second and he was on Nankang AR1 vs my Hankook RS4 which are a lower grip tire.
How do you rate the rs4’s mate? Do you use them year round or just track days? Been looking at them, seem to get good reviews for being within spitting distance of a052’s/ar1’s but wear much better? Have you ran them on both wet and dry track days?Niponeoff said:
It doesn't matter what car is faster, feels faster or has the best lap time.
Just what you like the most.
If you've had a Porsche for ages, you might like the yaris for a change.
A few yaris owners will no doubt change to a Porsche one day.
Absolutely this, especially for real road driving. I loved my Yaris but I eventually traded it in on an A110 after nearly 3 years of ownership. I'd still say that 99% of the time the Yaris was the quicker car but the Alpine feels far more of an event. I wouldn't trade back.Just what you like the most.
If you've had a Porsche for ages, you might like the yaris for a change.
A few yaris owners will no doubt change to a Porsche one day.
Ian-r5c8p said:
Captain Obvious said:
Incidentally, at my latest Time Attack event I beat a 996 GT3 by 0.9 of a second and he was on Nankang AR1 vs my Hankook RS4 which are a lower grip tire.
How do you rate the rs4’s mate? Do you use them year round or just track days? Been looking at them, seem to get good reviews for being within spitting distance of a052’s/ar1’s but wear much better? Have you ran them on both wet and dry track days?If you want a decent all rounder then I'd go for the NS2R as they have deep channels for clearing water and they grip from the off whereas CR-S aquaplane at low speeds (in standing water) and they need a couple of turns to come on.
Have a pic
Captain Obvious said:
Absolutely shocking to be honest, I removed them after 1 event as they created so much front end push on a car that prior to that was really well balanced on Nankang AR1. I have since switched to Nankang CR-S for dry/damp and NS2R for wet. They're significantly better tires.
If you want a decent all rounder then I'd go for the NS2R as they have deep channels for clearing water and they grip from the off whereas CR-S aquaplane at low speeds (in standing water) and they need a couple of turns to come on.
Have a pic
Thanks bud, appreciate the feedback 👍If you want a decent all rounder then I'd go for the NS2R as they have deep channels for clearing water and they grip from the off whereas CR-S aquaplane at low speeds (in standing water) and they need a couple of turns to come on.
Have a pic
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