Alpine A110 owners

[Adam205]

tail slide said:

Looks like a loved Cerbera there - Alpines are ideal for Winter fun while we keep our TVRs indoors

It's a Chimaera 450, my summer toy. As you say, the Alpine is the perfect winter sports car!

[cidered77]

Venisonpie said:

Simon Owen said:

I first test drove the A110 coming from a lightly modified well set up 86, initial view was the Alpine wasn't worth the extra cash over the 86, the A110 being twice the price at the time, and the chassis in our 86 being just sublime. There were also some things that the 86 was better at IMHO which made the decision more difficult. Eventually though I tired of the 'asthmatic' nature of the 86's drivetrain, it got to me in the end and a second extended drive in the A110 secured where the A110 shines over the 86 as an overall experience... deal done.

No regrets here BUT I've said before a 'back to back' simple spec PURE vs GR86 would be fascinating, I wonder if they've improved the 86 significantly enough to close the gap such that £20k in the bank and a GR86 might be a good option ?

I think it would be a really good test for the A110. That said the Alpine feels like a special thing to own where I'm not sure the 86 would, however you would be better placed to comment on that.

For me - getting the A110 GT means i've finished boss level at Cars .I've got my ultimate daily driver - which genuinely even with euromillions i wouldn't get anything else. I've got there with the main family car - i don't want anything other than a D250 Defender 90 (don't want a V8 - it's silly; don't want a 110 - too big). For the GY Yaris, it's great - but, i just remember my happy hour and a bit with the A110 Pure as being so special, plus more practical for the family being an auto.... even with my mythical lottery win (note to self: actually enter the lottery first..), i couldn't ever see myself in a 991, or something more crazy like a 488, or McLaren. I'd feel to conspicuous. i genuinely think they're too fast to properly enjoy on the roads, and they don't have that sense of lightness I enjoy with the racecar on track that only the Clio Trophy got close to.

So in that respect, whilst the GT86 might be really really good - it's not an "all i ever want in a car", car

[AlexNJ89]

I'm shocked we lost the brake test

https://youtu.be/xwHYwy7-7Hk

[springfan62]

AlexNJ89 said:

I'm shocked we lost the brake test

https://youtu.be/xwHYwy7-7Hk

If you read the comments there is a lot of love for the Alpine and straight line speed is not its biggest strength.

[cidered77]

Does the S automatically have the big brake kit? or still an option...?

Regardless- them Cayman's are very good on the brakes. But - bigger brakes, more weight, etc.

[FrenchA110]

cidered77 said:

Does the S automatically have the big brake kit? or still an option...?

Regardless- them Cayman's are very good on the brakes. But - bigger brakes, more weight, etc.

The S has the 320mm « big »brakes as standard indeed. I know Porsche brakes are usually pretty awesome so not surprised. Braking distance also depends on the tires grip so maybe the Porsche had better tires too. They sure are bigger for starters, more rubber = more grip.

[BarryGibb]

FrenchA110 said:

cidered77 said:

Does the S automatically have the big brake kit? or still an option...?

Regardless- them Cayman's are very good on the brakes. But - bigger brakes, more weight, etc.

The S has the 320mm « big »brakes as standard indeed. I know Porsche brakes are usually pretty awesome so not surprised. Braking distance also depends on the tires grip so maybe the Porsche had better tires too. They sure are bigger for starters, more rubber = more grip.

Yep, would expect it's mainly down to tyres.

[Olivera]

AlexNJ89 said:

I'm shocked we lost the brake test

https://youtu.be/xwHYwy7-7Hk

The roll-on tests there were quite silly - in the Porsche you'd want to be in 1st (not 2nd) for the 30mph roll-on test, and 2nd (not 3rd) for the 50mph roll-on test. Insisting on all cars being in the same gear, irrespective of number of gears and ratios, is going to favour the cars with more gears and shorter ratios (PDK/DSGs).

[Venisonpie]

Olivera said:

The roll-on tests there were quite silly - in the Porsche you'd want to be in 1st (not 2nd) for the 30mph roll-on test, and 2nd (not 3rd) for the 50mph roll-on test. Insisting on all cars being in the same gear, irrespective of number of gears and ratios, is going to favour the cars with more gears and shorter ratios (PDK/DSGs).

You're right however overall a lower geared car will always have the advantage regardless. It's one of the issues with any Porsche, they are hamstrung with long ratios.
There's a good car wow group comparison of the mega hatches with an M2/Cayman GTS thrown in. It's only after a standing mile does the lighter Cayman start to become effective which is irrelevant for road use.

[130R]

Venisonpie said:

You're right however overall a lower geared car will always have the advantage regardless. It's one of the issues with any Porsche, they are hamstrung with long ratios.
There's a good car wow group comparison of the mega hatches with an M2/Cayman GTS thrown in. It's only after a standing mile does the lighter Cayman start to become effective which is irrelevant for road use.

It's not made for drag racing but the manual GTS can do sub 9 second 100-200kph which is pretty fast regardless of what gearing other cars have

[Venisonpie]

130R said:

t's not made for drag racing but the manual GTS can do sub 9 second 100-200kph which is pretty fast regardless of what gearing other cars have

Oh indeed, but again irrelevant for road use.

[BarryGibb]

Venisonpie said:

It's one of the issues with any Porsche, they are hamstrung with long ratios.

Given that something like a GT3 will hit 200mph, you need reasonably long ratios, even with a 9000rpm redline.

[Venisonpie]

BarryGibb said:

Given that something like a GT3 will hit 200mph, you need reasonably long ratios, even with a 9000rpm redline.

Well, yes, lol.

However again not really relevant for road use. Unless others can say otherwise...

[Coilover]

AlexNJ89 said:

I'm shocked we lost the brake test

https://youtu.be/xwHYwy7-7Hk

I just specced a GTS4.0 with a similar spec to my £60,038 Alpine (on the road price) and it came out at... RRP 73,323.00.(that is NOT the 'on the road' price either).
I didn't add ANYTHING daft (or put the Porsche bucket seats in it). No extra trim, just LED headlights (not the really expensive ones), cruise control, brakes, reversing camera, folding mirrors, dimming rear view mirror and tried to match it like for like with the A110S.

I've seen this few time when they try and do comparisons; they always quote the prices from the 'standard' models and never run equal specs.

Edited by Coilover on Wednesday 1st December 18:32

[AlexNJ89]

Can someone help me understand the price of this Legende GT:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

Is it £64,807 and the PPF is free or £68,407.00?

[Simon Owen]

AlexNJ89 said:

Can someone help me understand the price of this Legende GT:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

Is it £64,807 and the PPF is free or £68,407.00?

Well I’d say the former and they’re ‘throwing in’ the stuff that gets you to £68k !!

[AlexNJ89]

Simon Owen said:

Well I’d say the former and they’re ‘throwing in’ the stuff that gets you to £68k !!

That's how I read it too. As if the person who ordered it arranged PPF, paid it advance, then cancelled.

[Coilover]

AlexNJ89 said:

That's how I read it too. As if the person who ordered it arranged PPF, paid it advance, then cancelled.

£68k worth of car and extras for £64k.
Someone has ordered, specced extras and then cancelled.

[cidered77]

Venisonpie said:

BarryGibb said:

Given that something like a GT3 will hit 200mph, you need reasonably long ratios, even with a 9000rpm redline.

Well, yes, lol.

However again not really relevant for road use. Unless others can say otherwise...

Just think those cars have out grown a manual box - ratios are just too long for the road. PDK and they make more sense.

Have only been a passenger in one (GT4 manual), and whilst lovely car to be in, and sounded great, etc - the ratio seemed crazy long from the passenger seat

[BarryGibb]

cidered77 said:

Venisonpie said:

BarryGibb said:

Given that something like a GT3 will hit 200mph, you need reasonably long ratios, even with a 9000rpm redline.

Well, yes, lol.

However again not really relevant for road use. Unless others can say otherwise...

Just think those cars have out grown a manual box - ratios are just too long for the road. PDK and they make more sense.

Have only been a passenger in one (GT4 manual), and whilst lovely car to be in, and sounded great, etc - the ratio seemed crazy long from the passenger seat

If you compare a GT3 to a car with a "normal" engine (that doesn't have a crazy redline), I'd estimate a GT3 will be doing around 35mph in 1st at 6000 rpm and 55 in 2nd, and there's plenty of torque at lower revs.

PDK definitely better for track, on the road, less convinced.