Alpine A110 owners
Discussion
All this talk of pricing, no discounts and high residuals sounds like Caterham! Tough if you want to own one. At least prices will not be rising by another 10% as we have agreed a trade deal today.
Next year is when I hope to end up owning a A110 but depends on a number of things falling onto place. Wish now I had just bought that 15K mile one that was for sale at Martins Winchester for £41K. That was a bargain.
Next year is when I hope to end up owning a A110 but depends on a number of things falling onto place. Wish now I had just bought that 15K mile one that was for sale at Martins Winchester for £41K. That was a bargain.
Depreciation is BY FAR the biggest cost of ownership of most cars. So no discounts, expensive second hand cars are all good. Sure if that means you can't afford it in the first place (but is that a real problem when interest rates are so low?) it's a bummer. If you can - one way or another - that ends up as cheap motoring overall. Factor in the low running costs of an A110 and the cost of ownership is low - lower than most alternatives. Caterhams and Morgans may beat it overall - but I can't think of a sensible daily that does.
K800 RUM said:
All this talk of pricing, no discounts and high residuals sounds like Caterham! Tough if you want to own one. At least prices will not be rising by another 10% as we have agreed a trade deal today.
Next year is when I hope to end up owning a A110 but depends on a number of things falling onto place. Wish now I had just bought that 15K mile one that was for sale at Martins Winchester for £41K. That was a bargain.
16 years of 7 ownership here ... A110 is a good choice for an ‘easier’ life and still feels special, even after a 7 Next year is when I hope to end up owning a A110 but depends on a number of things falling onto place. Wish now I had just bought that 15K mile one that was for sale at Martins Winchester for £41K. That was a bargain.
K800 RUM said:
I have owned my Caterham for nearly 14 years Simon, original owner & home built. On the right day there is nothing to compare with the feeling of a 7 especially going "aero" without a windscreen. I would miss that.
Having done the same, I wouldn't disagree. However I would say the A110 provides nearly as much fun on many more occasions and with vastly less aggravation. And of course it depends where you live. If I lived on the West coast of Scotland I suspect the GR Yaris would be my weapon of choice over either.Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 25th December 14:33
Frada01 said:
So emailed out to a few dealers to see if there is any interest in discounting stock new cars, Nothing? I believe they have all been bound by Alpine to not discount new cars. This tactic is purley to keep used cars (demo car) prices artificially high. Lets see what happens when cars start coming back from the PCP deals. The best offers seem to be dealer demo cars but these have little money off new prices? Why you would buy a car thats 5k off list that is not your chosen spec and certainly not sympathetically run in.
These are not limited cars, PE excluded, so not sure why values should be so inflated. This is not a collector car either. The only limiting fact is people aren't buying them in numbers in the UK.
Same in Belgium, when we bought/ordered the Alpine in 2018 it was zero discount (but before Alpine increased the prices slightly). Nowadays the discount on newly bought Alpine's is still really low (buddy of mine bought one new this year). Used value or ex demo cars (would personally never buy a ex demo car) is still rather high so it makes no sense to buy a used A110 at this time. Values will get lower overtime (certainly the LHD cars), but there are not so many RHD cars sold/available so these prices will stay a bit higher I would guess.These are not limited cars, PE excluded, so not sure why values should be so inflated. This is not a collector car either. The only limiting fact is people aren't buying them in numbers in the UK.
Just wondering what is PCP? In my country most people still finance their car (keep them longer) or do a lease for a shorter period of time.
Sporky said:
I don't see why they should be discounting; there's still, I believe, a reasonably long wait for a new order car, used values remain high, and Alpine seem to be happy with how many they sell.
Significant discounts up front just hurt residuals and brand image. From the Alpine US presentation it doesn't look like the margins are huge, so discounting just doesn't make sense.
100% my thoughts exactly! Giving discounts will hurt the Alpine brand and why should they do it? We had no problems that Alpine did not offer any discounts back in 2018 (of course we asked). Back then there was also more demand then availability (long wait for delivery). The A110 is more unique and way cheaper to maintain (parts / labour / insurance / tax / etc) then any Porsche Cayman/Boxster; so that is a big plus for the car (that the Alpine sellers also know very well). So in the long run it is not that an expensive sportscar to own. My manual M2 is more expensive on every aspect and new price (with BMW discount) was the same as the A110 (which keeps his value also way better).Significant discounts up front just hurt residuals and brand image. From the Alpine US presentation it doesn't look like the margins are huge, so discounting just doesn't make sense.
Talking about Value; these are the top 10 of somewhat normal (non limited) cars that keep their value best (in 2020) after driving 3 years and 60.000km (info from WhatCar).
springfan62 said:
I am pleased to see that Alpine are not discounting new cars. It means they are keen to see the brand develop as a premium brand which means limiting supply and ensuring residual values are strong.
There are very few used cars around and they seem to sell quickly which is a good sign too.
Discounts are normally reflected in poor residuals and lower guaranteed values.
Alfa shifted their 4C's using cheap lease deals which meant cash buyers got a poor deal as residuals were initially poor.
Another friend of mine sold his (launch edition) 4C this year for a really good price (there are a lot of LHD 4C's for sale). He ordered a Alpine A110S instead. As stated; IMO Alpine does a good job with not discounting their cars and indeed want to invest for the long term as a premium brand.There are very few used cars around and they seem to sell quickly which is a good sign too.
Discounts are normally reflected in poor residuals and lower guaranteed values.
Alfa shifted their 4C's using cheap lease deals which meant cash buyers got a poor deal as residuals were initially poor.
Simon Owen said:
Change of topic guys - has anybody tried the Life extended paddles ?
Look pretty good in the pics but just wondering if they interfere with other stuff .... radio control etc ?
Are they really that easy to fit ????
Cheers
Will fit them when available...and yes are easy to fit. Look pretty good in the pics but just wondering if they interfere with other stuff .... radio control etc ?
Are they really that easy to fit ????
Cheers
K800 RUM said:
I have owned my Caterham for nearly 14 years Simon, original owner & home built. On the right day there is nothing to compare with the feeling of a 7 especially going "aero" without a windscreen. I would miss that.
The purest driving experience I have had by far, and when moving on from a 7 so many cars feel a backward step when you hit that magical road and you remember how lithe the 7 was. The whole lack of mass thing is just a revelation.The A110 is clearly no 575kg Caterham but the relative lack of mass (by modern standards) can at least be felt in the driving experience
Simon Owen said:
The purest driving experience I have had by far, and when moving on from a 7 so many cars feel a backward step when you hit that magical road and you remember how lithe the 7 was. The whole lack of mass thing is just a revelation.
The A110 is clearly no 575kg Caterham but the relative lack of mass (by modern standards) can at least be felt in the driving experience
There are days and roads when I would prefer to be in a Caterham, an Elise or GR Yaris - and if my budget, garage and wife would accommodate all 4 of them - I would. But if I had to choose one - and practically speaking I do.....The A110 is clearly no 575kg Caterham but the relative lack of mass (by modern standards) can at least be felt in the driving experience
Franzino said:
100% my thoughts exactly! Giving discounts will hurt the Alpine brand and why should they do it? We had no problems that Alpine did not offer any discounts back in 2018 (of course we asked). Back then there was also more demand then availability (long wait for delivery). The A110 is more unique and way cheaper to maintain (parts / labour / insurance / tax / etc) then any Porsche Cayman/Boxster; so that is a big plus for the car (that the Alpine sellers also know very well). So in the long run it is not that an expensive sportscar to own. My manual M2 is more expensive on every aspect and new price (with BMW discount) was the same as the A110 (which keeps his value also way better).
Talking about Value; these are the top 10 of somewhat normal (non limited) cars that keep their value best (in 2020) after driving 3 years and 60.000km (info from WhatCar).
Seems like these figures are somewhat pulled from the air, Pretty sure the Alpine is not 3 years old quite yet. I am looking forward to seeing 3 year old cars come on the market at sub £32K though Talking about Value; these are the top 10 of somewhat normal (non limited) cars that keep their value best (in 2020) after driving 3 years and 60.000km (info from WhatCar).
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