Alpine A110 owners
Discussion
Olivera said:
The other elephant in the room for the S is the Cayman GTS 4.0. Once the S with options is into the 60ks then (imo) it's a no brainer to go for the Porsche, even if it ends up 5-10k dearer with options. The S really needs to be of a higher spec to compete.
I don't think so, I was going to buy one of those but ended up with the Alpine instead. Trouble is with the Porsche by the time you spec one to even the most basic Golf type spec its £70k and then if you put in the GTS interior etc it is £74k and that is still far behind the spec of most of these cars.Combine that with Porsche charging 5.9% APR instead of the 4.9% APR Alpine charges and that the residual after 3yrs/8k miles is only £3k more than that of the A110s this all makes the Porsche a much more expensive proposition.
I had a quick play with the configurators; an S with the bits I'd want (camera, Alpine blue, mirror pack) came to just under £61k. A GTS 4.0 to the same spec (LED headlights, cruise, keyless, PDK, buckets, Bose) came to just over £77k. That's quite a chunk more - the Alpine comes with the equivalent of £10k of Porsche options!
jjgreenwood said:
I don't think so, I was going to buy one of those but ended up with the Alpine instead. Trouble is with the Porsche by the time you spec one to even the most basic Golf type spec its £70k and then if you put in the GTS interior etc it is £74k and that is still far behind the spec of most of these cars.
Combine that with Porsche charging 5.9% APR instead of the 4.9% APR Alpine charges and that the residual after 3yrs/8k miles is only £3k more than that of the A110s this all makes the Porsche a much more expensive proposition.
The fact that you will get at least 10mpg more as well with A110 is just the icing on the cake.Combine that with Porsche charging 5.9% APR instead of the 4.9% APR Alpine charges and that the residual after 3yrs/8k miles is only £3k more than that of the A110s this all makes the Porsche a much more expensive proposition.
khart said:
plus larger wheels and tyres , sports exhaust , bigger brakes, upgraded sound system and head lining as standard. It's a bit like comparing an Elise 220 and an Elise cup 250....
Thant's not correct....the price difference we talked about is between a Pure specced to A110S level and a A110S. khart said:
I get that you don't rate the 's' and consider it a waste of money but they are all great cars. 1 is more track oriented which is what some people prefer. Having driven the pure it is great but a little ' soft' for me. Some people are more pipe and slippers.
True; the Pure/Legende/PE are just a little to soft (for my taste)...that's why I did the Life110 upgrade. Sporky said:
I had a quick play with the configurators; an S with the bits I'd want (camera, Alpine blue, mirror pack) came to just under £61k. A GTS 4.0 to the same spec (LED headlights, cruise, keyless, PDK, buckets, Bose) came to just over £77k. That's quite a chunk more - the Alpine comes with the equivalent of £10k of Porsche options!
Its possible to spec a decent GTS 4.0 for £70k, and many would expect to pay a premium for a newly developed 4.0 NA flat six with 400bhp versus a 290bhp parts-bin drivetrain lifted from a Megane. I would suspect that a very high percentage of buyers in the market for a £61k sports car would also be able to afford £70k.I'm not trying to hit on the S here, but just suspect that it isn't going to sell well compared to the GTS 4.0, which is very much a competitor.
Olivera said:
Its possible to spec a decent GTS 4.0 for £70k, and many would expect to pay a premium for a newly developed 4.0 NA flat six with 400bhp versus a 290bhp parts-bin drivetrain lifted from a Megane. I would suspect that a very high percentage of buyers in the market for a £61k sports car would also be able to afford £70k.
I'm not trying to hit on the S here, but just suspect that it isn't going to sell well compared to the GTS 4.0, which is very much a competitor.
Alpine themselves only expect S to account for 30% of sales so you are probably correctI'm not trying to hit on the S here, but just suspect that it isn't going to sell well compared to the GTS 4.0, which is very much a competitor.
Fudgie01 said:
Quick update on my leaky boot. Winchester had the car for a few days last week and reported that the water ingress was coming from the seal behind the nearside rear wheel arch liner. They replaced the seal and at the same time refitted the rear window seal which was coming adrift.
After the last couple of rainy days the boot is still nice and dry so hopefully solved, great service from Winchester and I quite enjoyed putting a few hundred miles on their new Clio loaner. Clio’s are now a big car compared to my old 197 & 200 Cup’s, felt more Mk1 Focus size and no longer a super mini.
Anyway I’ll be holding fire refitting the boot trim / carpet for a few weeks to make sure there is no reoccurrence.
In the mean time it’s new tyre time, getting near the wear indicators and definitely feel like they’ve ‘gone off’ in the last 1000 miles or so. Any suggestions or stick with another set of the same Michelin’s?
I’m on my second set of Michelin- didn’t see any reason to change - I like the way the car feels with them on After the last couple of rainy days the boot is still nice and dry so hopefully solved, great service from Winchester and I quite enjoyed putting a few hundred miles on their new Clio loaner. Clio’s are now a big car compared to my old 197 & 200 Cup’s, felt more Mk1 Focus size and no longer a super mini.
Anyway I’ll be holding fire refitting the boot trim / carpet for a few weeks to make sure there is no reoccurrence.
In the mean time it’s new tyre time, getting near the wear indicators and definitely feel like they’ve ‘gone off’ in the last 1000 miles or so. Any suggestions or stick with another set of the same Michelin’s?
Edited by Fudgie01 on Monday 15th February 22:43
Edited by Fudgie01 on Monday 15th February 22:44
jjgreenwood said:
Olivera said:
Its possible to spec a decent GTS 4.0 for £70k, and many would expect to pay a premium for a newly developed 4.0 NA flat six with 400bhp versus a 290bhp parts-bin drivetrain lifted from a Megane. I would suspect that a very high percentage of buyers in the market for a £61k sports car would also be able to afford £70k.
I'm not trying to hit on the S here, but just suspect that it isn't going to sell well compared to the GTS 4.0, which is very much a competitor.
Alpine themselves only expect S to account for 30% of sales so you are probably correctI'm not trying to hit on the S here, but just suspect that it isn't going to sell well compared to the GTS 4.0, which is very much a competitor.
That said just how rewarding the 6 pot 718 is I don't know.
Sporky said:
Olivera said:
a 290bhp parts-bin drivetrain lifted from a Megane
You might want to look into that statement and see if it's actually factual.springfan62 said:
Lovely though the 718 GTS is, a Car magazine managed 17mpg when they tested it.
I know mpg isn't everything if you can afford £70k but to develop a car which is that heavy and inefficient is disappointing.
The WLTP figures (now an accurate test) for both are:I know mpg isn't everything if you can afford £70k but to develop a car which is that heavy and inefficient is disappointing.
A110 (inc S): 34.1 - 35.1 mpg
GTS 4.0: 25.9 - 31.7 mpg
WLTP Figures are not a real world test of anything they just happen to a bit more realistic than the NEDC tests.
Looks like most Cayman's do about 24MPG in the real world and thats before they made it 4.0 litres.
https://www.fuelly.com/car/porsche/cayman
Looks like most Cayman's do about 24MPG in the real world and thats before they made it 4.0 litres.
https://www.fuelly.com/car/porsche/cayman
springfan62 said:
WLTP Figures are not a real world test of anything they just happen to a bit more realistic than the NEDC tests.
Looks like most Cayman's do about 24MPG in the real world and thats before they made it 4.0 litres.
https://www.fuelly.com/car/porsche/cayman
I've no doubt that the A110 is significantly better on fuel, but in the £50-60k+ sports car market mpg is almost an irrelevance to buyers.Looks like most Cayman's do about 24MPG in the real world and thats before they made it 4.0 litres.
https://www.fuelly.com/car/porsche/cayman
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