Alpine A110 to be axed?
Discussion
HighwayStar said:
blade7 said:
HighwayStar said:
True but I’d imagine he’s forgotten more than anyone else knows on here about design and dynamics of a car.
Judging by what he's designed in the last 20 years, he seems to have forgotten quite a lot. 
Prestonese said:
blade7 said:
We've all kissed a few frogs. I was disappointed you didn't post a picture of the ox truck. GMD’a crime was a failure to understand that the solution to the world needing smaller, lighter and cheaper personal transport in global business hubs and major points of population was not going to be to offer smaller, lighter or cheaper personal transport but instead to prioritise 2 ton massive barges for the wealthy elite.
. But that car morphed into the Yamaha prototype which was a very cool car. I had a look round it with GM a few years ago when he’d asked to see an old car of mine and it was a much smarter car than the Smart car. A clever little bit of design but sadly not as eco friendly as a £100k, 2 tonne imported luxo barge.
But this highlights the whole problem GM has. He is obsessed with small, light cars but the modern consumer market despises them. The modern consumer market is comprised of such a dominant amount of new wealth and the thinking that drives new wealth that the three most over riding needs of the consumer after badge is that the goods must be as shiny as possible, as big as possible and as expensive as possible. We live in the era of ostentation not efficiency.
It’s no coincidence that as cars have reached their global maximum sizes the manufacturers have had to move forward with supersizing other visual aspects, hence we are getting firmly entrenched in the ‘Grill War’ now.
The Laws of Physics haven’t changed since the 1980s. What GM knew then is still perfectly relevant today. F1 and the automotive industry are still referencing strongly the big breakthroughs the likes of GM made 40 years ago. Much is tinkering around the edges of these breakthroughs. Modern aerodynamicists haven’t discovered a whole new science but built incrementally on the big leaps forward of others.
Same with materials. Carbon Fibre was brought in to the industry in the 80s. 40 years on its still the go to composite for both solving design hurdles and for trombonist the consumer into borrowing vast sums that they don’t have to procure an enormous object that they neither can afford or need.
It’s hardly surprising that a champion of small and efficient sports cars has an affinity to other companies’ small and efficient sports cars.
The more relevant aspect is that we the consumer don’t like small, efficient sports cars. We demand massive stuff that can be seen from space and announce our success and our winning. We are the society of monumental
s that actually photograph our food and send the picture to strangers to let them know that we are a better person than them because we’ve used a credit card to get an obnoxious, semi literate ginger tit to make us an egg. blade7 said:
Prestonese said:
I'd much rather he designed a car for me than an internet forum that's for sure.
Enjoy.
While you think about that... here’s his very latest effort. Will it arrive post Covid? Who knows....
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...
Detailed info and videos
https://gordonmurrayautomotive.com/en/#xtrac
Apologies for thread derail...
blade7 said:
Miserablegit said:
And, as has been pointed out on more than one occasion by Blade7, he was only part of a team that designed some car in the nineties so what value is his opinion.
It’s not as though he’s ever been involved in Formula 1 where handling is fairly key.
In fact who is Gordon Murray ?
Someone that hasn't played a part in the design of a successful F1 car for over 30 years. It’s not as though he’s ever been involved in Formula 1 where handling is fairly key.
In fact who is Gordon Murray ?
ETA: I realise I need a woosh parrot here, as Miserable was in jest.
Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 28th May 10:40
I had a spare 15 minutes so I jumped into Photoshop to have a quick crack at mocking up a manual A110.
Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Edited by Lewis Kingston on Thursday 28th May 09:48
Lewis Kingston said:
I had a spare 15 minutes so I jumped into Photoshop to have a quick crack at mocking up a manual A110.
Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Fantastic!Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Edited by Lewis Kingston on Thursday 28th May 09:48
Vocht said:
Lewis Kingston said:
I had a spare 15 minutes so I jumped into Photoshop to have a quick crack at mocking up a manual A110.
Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Fantastic!Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Edited by Lewis Kingston on Thursday 28th May 09:48
HighwayStar said:
blade7 said:
Prestonese said:
I'd much rather he designed a car for me than an internet forum that's for sure.
Enjoy.While you think about that... here’s his very latest effort. Will it arrive post Covid? Who knows....
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...
Detailed info and videos
https://gordonmurrayautomotive.com/en/#xtrac
Apologies for thread derail...
Anyway, I think the Alpine is fantastic and I haven't heard or read of one bad review of it.
Pommy said:
HighwayStar said:
blade7 said:
Prestonese said:
I'd much rather he designed a car for me than an internet forum that's for sure.
Enjoy.While you think about that... here’s his very latest effort. Will it arrive post Covid? Who knows....
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...
Detailed info and videos
https://gordonmurrayautomotive.com/en/#xtrac
Apologies for thread derail...
Anyway, I think the Alpine is fantastic and I haven't heard or read of one bad review of it.
Are we seriously discussing the “merits” of owners?
Surely this is not even about whether you think it’s a good car or not, and that has been done to death. This is about the potential closure of a plant and the loss of employment that would cause and the knock on effect on the local economy.
I’m not sure I would walk into a “Range Rover to be axed?” Thread because JLR are considering closing a factory and have people bickering over whether it’s better than a Porsche Cayenne and dissecting whether [insert name of well known Range Rover owner] was sufficiently worthy to have an opinion as to whether it’s a good car.
Surely this is not even about whether you think it’s a good car or not, and that has been done to death. This is about the potential closure of a plant and the loss of employment that would cause and the knock on effect on the local economy.
I’m not sure I would walk into a “Range Rover to be axed?” Thread because JLR are considering closing a factory and have people bickering over whether it’s better than a Porsche Cayenne and dissecting whether [insert name of well known Range Rover owner] was sufficiently worthy to have an opinion as to whether it’s a good car.
Vocht said:
Lewis Kingston said:
I had a spare 15 minutes so I jumped into Photoshop to have a quick crack at mocking up a manual A110.
Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Fantastic!Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Edited by Lewis Kingston on Thursday 28th May 09:48
DoubleD said:
Vocht said:
Lewis Kingston said:
I had a spare 15 minutes so I jumped into Photoshop to have a quick crack at mocking up a manual A110.
Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Fantastic!Voila. Does need some more work, though – I'd like to shrink the dead pedal and tweak both the pedal sizes and spacing.
Anyway, I digress. Personally, I love the A110. One of those and a Jimny would see me very well sorted.
Okay, so I'd need a classic of some form as well. And maybe a project car. And...
Edited by Lewis Kingston on Thursday 28th May 09:48
Presumably the price of this manual one works out cheaper as well ?
Serious question for Alpine owners; for all the ‘shud of bin a manual’ talk, is there actually room in the footwell for a clutch pedal, given that the car was designed from the outset with a dual clutch box?
Edited to clarify; talking about road / production spec cars here rather than stripped out racers (with respect to the above photo).
Edited to clarify; talking about road / production spec cars here rather than stripped out racers (with respect to the above photo).
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