Alpine A110 to be axed?

[lukeharding]

Ah. Maybe I missed that, just looks like a lot of people internet shouting at each other to me, and getting frustrated about it.

[blueg33]

lukeharding said:

Miserablegit said:

It is friendly but there are the same three Porsche fanboys who always interrupt an alpine thread with their nonsense.

Yes, I've read plenty of it. Sometimes (though its difficult), its just better not to rise to something you disagree with as it feeds the argument. If people want to have any bias then its their loss.

Its always entertaining to demonstrate to an idiot their idiocy

[lukeharding]

blueg33 said:

lukeharding said:

Miserablegit said:

It is friendly but there are the same three Porsche fanboys who always interrupt an alpine thread with their nonsense.

Yes, I've read plenty of it. Sometimes (though its difficult), its just better not to rise to something you disagree with as it feeds the argument. If people want to have any bias then its their loss.

Its always entertaining to demonstrate to an idiot their idiocy

Only if they realise it, which seems rare.

[HighwayStar]

lukeharding said:

blueg33 said:

lukeharding said:

Miserablegit said:

It is friendly but there are the same three Porsche fanboys who always interrupt an alpine thread with their nonsense.

Yes, I've read plenty of it. Sometimes (though its difficult), its just better not to rise to something you disagree with as it feeds the argument. If people want to have any bias then its their loss.

Its always entertaining to demonstrate to an idiot their idiocy

Only if they realise it, which seems rare.

It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person

[Prestonese]

lukeharding said:

It is a shame. I was in an Alpine on Sunday, and loved it. For me it feels like you're driving a spaceship (because I mostly drive older cars probably), but at one point a Cayman chased me down a little and followed me for a while. It was actually a lot of fun and I really liked the Cayman too. I don't know why it can't be a friendly rivalry between two great cars rather than a constant attempt to make one look rubbish.

I don't understand it either. I've owned both an A110 and Caymans (though never a 718) and they have all been great cars in different ways. It's not difficult to assess the qualities of each but I'd also it is also challenging to ultimately decide which one I prefer. I honestly don't have an answer - I've liked them all for different reasons and I understand where the weaknesses are for both.

As one of the forum members mentioned earlier, I also got a lot more attention (all of it positive) in an Alpine than in a Porsche. Most of the Porsche owners I know though don't seem have time for the Alpine. Maybe my online experience is reflective of real life which is a real shame.

Edited by Prestonese on Tuesday 2nd June 17:29

[David87]

lukeharding said:

Ha, that might have been me if you're in Essex

Was in Heybridge I think. I was going the other way in a white Tesla Model 3.

[lukeharding]

Prestonese said:

lukeharding said:

It is a shame. I was in an Alpine on Sunday, and loved it. For me it feels like you're driving a spaceship (because I mostly drive older cars probably), but at one point a Cayman chased me down a little and followed me for a while. It was actually a lot of fun and I really liked the Cayman too. I don't know why it can't be a friendly rivalry between two great cars rather than a constant attempt to make one look rubbish.

I don't understand it either. I've owned both an A110 and Caymans (though never a 718) and they have all been great cars in different ways. It's not difficult to assess the qualities of each but I'd also it is also challenging to ultimately decide which one I prefer. I honestly don't have an answer - I've liked them all for different reasons and I understand where the weaknesses are for both.

As one of the forum members mentioned earlier, I also got a lot more attention (all of it positive) in an Alpine than in a Porsche. Most of the Porsche owners I know though don't seem have time for the Alpine. Maybe my online experience is reflective of real life which is a real shame.

I've never owned nor driven a Cayman (though I would happily own one at some point), and the A110 I have driven is my Dad's car. Its a great little thing and a huge amount of fun, and you do get a lot of attention and for me it feels like a spaceship. There are things about it that I'm not such a fan of, but they're really trivial and don't come near spoiling it for me. I feel like the Cayman that was following me had some interest in the car and it was nice driving like that.

David87 said:

lukeharding said:

Ha, that might have been me if you're in Essex

Was in Heybridge I think. I was going the other way in a white Tesla Model 3.

I was driving between Brentwood and Steeple so didn't go through Heybridge, and I don't remember seeing a white Tesla, though I could have missed it. If it was a blue PE 18 plate car that you saw then probably me.

[lukeharding]

Prestonese said:

lukeharding said:

Prestonese said:

lukeharding said:

It is a shame. I was in an Alpine on Sunday, and loved it. For me it feels like you're driving a spaceship (because I mostly drive older cars probably), but at one point a Cayman chased me down a little and followed me for a while. It was actually a lot of fun and I really liked the Cayman too. I don't know why it can't be a friendly rivalry between two great cars rather than a constant attempt to make one look rubbish.

I don't understand it either. I've owned both an A110 and Caymans (though never a 718) and they have all been great cars in different ways. It's not difficult to assess the qualities of each but I'd also it is also challenging to ultimately decide which one I prefer. I honestly don't have an answer - I've liked them all for different reasons and I understand where the weaknesses are for both.

As one of the forum members mentioned earlier, I also got a lot more attention (all of it positive) in an Alpine than in a Porsche. Most of the Porsche owners I know though don't seem have time for the Alpine. Maybe my online experience is reflective of real life which is a real shame.

I've never owned nor driven a Cayman (though I would happily own one at some point), and the A110 I have driven is my Dad's car. Its a great little thing and a huge amount of fun, and you do get a lot of attention and for me it feels like a spaceship. There are things about it that I'm not such a fan of, but they're really trivial and don't come near spoiling it for me. I feel like the Cayman that was following me had some interest in the car and it was nice driving like that.

David87 said:

lukeharding said:

I had a 981 GTS, 981 2.7 and now an R. I think a 2.7 is a great car and pretty much all you need. I loved the GTS though I must admit, although it looked and sounded good, it was a bit too shiny - it also grounded out everywhere I went. I'm quite happy with the R though which I think is the best of the lot for me. Tried the 718 and it wasn't my thing.

I think you're misquoting there. I didn't write that, as I haven't owned or driven them.

[lukeharding]

Not sure what happened with your quote above, but I didn't write about owning Porsches, although my entry into it seems to have gotten mixed up in the rest too.

[Prestonese]

lukeharding said:

Not sure what happened with your quote above, but I didn't write about owning Porsches, although my entry into it seems to have gotten mixed up in the rest too.

Yep. Sorry. Just noticed that. Not sure what happened there.

[blade7]

rick.e said:

I still enjoy the way people cross the road to gather rounf my Alpine wherever I park up,

[SidewaysSi]

lukeharding said:

craigjm said:

Every thread goes down this road. We know the Cayman is a great car, we know the Alpine is a great car. This addding up prices and looking at 10ths of a second etc is just so boring now. Ruins every alpine thread.

It is a shame. I was in an Alpine on Sunday, and loved it. For me it feels like you're driving a spaceship (because I mostly drive older cars probably), but at one point a Cayman chased me down a little and followed me for a while. It was actually a lot of fun and I really liked the Cayman too. I don't know why it can't be a friendly rivalry between two great cars rather than a constant attempt to make one look rubbish.

It's because Porsche fanboys who couldn't afford or live with a proper Porsche suddenly find their favourite car is beaten and they can't handle it. And beaten by a brand they think is beneath them which makes the pain harder to swallow.

It's really quite pathetic.

[Lexington59]

SidewaysSi said:

It's because Porsche fanboys who couldn't afford or live with a proper Porsche suddenly find their favourite car is beaten and they can't handle it. And beaten by a brand they think is beneath them which makes the pain harder to swallow.

It's really quite pathetic.

‘Beaten’ and ‘a proper Porsche’ make you look like you don’t know much about cars.

A proper Porsche can only be a 911 of course. I doubt anybody in here would trade mid engine handling for a lard-arse like that but I could be wrong.

[SidewaysSi]

Lexington59 said:

SidewaysSi said:

It's because Porsche fanboys who couldn't afford or live with a proper Porsche suddenly find their favourite car is beaten and they can't handle it. And beaten by a brand they think is beneath them which makes the pain harder to swallow.

It's really quite pathetic.

‘Beaten’ and ‘a proper Porsche’ make you look like you don’t know much about cars.

A proper Porsche can only be a 911 of course. I doubt anybody in here would trade mid engine handling for a lard-arse like that but I could be wrong.

Oh how I do like to pull the odd leg in here...

Actually I am a Porsche fanboy. Driven loads, owned and heavily tracked a GT4 yada yada.

And yes, I personally wouldn't buy a Porsche unless it was a GT3/RS or a tweaked air-cooled car.

The Cayman is a fine car but it's hardly that exciting is it?

[maz8062]

I find these Alpine threads interesting, very interesting. They tend to go like this:

“Alpine is a great car, I would seriously consider one”

“Nah mate, for £50k you can get a Porsche, M2, Supra - a car with a proper engine”

“What do you know, Alpine is lightweight, aluminium bodied - even xx drives one, so it must be better than ..”

“ No you’re wrong. No, you’re wrong”

“If I could afford....”

“If you can’t afford, your opinion doesn’t count”

Back to the top and repeat.

[Prestonese]

maz8062 said:

I find these Alpine threads interesting, very interesting. They tend to go like this:

“Alpine is a great car, I would seriously consider one”

“Nah mate, for £50k you can get a Porsche, M2, Supra - a car with a proper engine”

“What do you know, Alpine is lightweight, aluminium bodied - even xx drives one, so it must be better than ..”

“ No you’re wrong. No, you’re wrong”

“If I could afford....”

“If you can’t afford, your opinion doesn’t count”

Back to the top and repeat.

Spot on. The dedicated French and UK Alpine forums are really friendly actually. Lots of practical and useful discussions on there.

[bcr5784]

Oddly no-one seems to make an issue of the the fact that the z4 is £51k or the Supra £55k. I don't either - they are very well equipped as standard. But I could get all uppity about the fact that they are constructed of that low rent stuff - steel - and have relatively primitive strut suspension. Clearly the badge is more important than the engineering...

[DoubleD]

Has anybody won yet?

[cerb4.5lee]

DoubleD said:

Has anybody won yet?

[bcr5784]

I'm tempted to ask the question.. if Porsche were to have an option that said "All aluminium construction" or "double wishbone suspension" - would people be prepared to pay more for either option than for PTS, contrasting stitching or GTS interior?

I fear I know the answer...