A110 for the track

[HokumPokum]

what car do you have base or A110s? any brake upgrades ? 320mm discs?

[Hoofty]

HokumPokum said:

After deliberating for a year and taking delivery of my 718 spyder, I still feel the need to replace my e46 m3 trackcar with an alpine

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Optionswise,I am only going to go for rear parking sensors (do I really need this? Parking visibility is bad but is it a case of just getting familiar?) and deep black paint.
The car will need to be road legal but will only be used on trackdays for fun (and driving to them)
- proper track biased suspension and geo
- proper Cup wheels and tyres (will 17s fit upgraded brakes?)
- remap? Is the drivetrain on both A110 and A110s the same? Not too bothered by power tbh although I'd like more rpm than a peak 6500
- The base brakes will need upgrading to proper calipers (they are the same calipers on the A110S?) and floating 2-piece setups
- seats and harness setup. what's the difference between the 1-piece sport and racing Sabelt buckets? they look awfully similar.

Killer garage, that'll be.

I went for rear sensors but because I daily mine - can't think of many track day experiences I've had where they'd prove useful?

Life110 will be your one stop shop for suspension, geo, Cup wheels (18" only btw) and remap (the drivetrain is indeed identical on all models). Apparently 17s do fit over the larger brake setup but I'm yet to see it and it isn't a combination you can order new (the uprights are different with the caliper further outboard to suit the larger disc). Curious to know what it is about the brakes you don't consider 'proper' - at least the larger option brakes, which are already two piece discs? Calipers are same on every car (same on Cup cars too I think? Ready to stand corrected).

If you're looking at the 'Sport' and 'Racing' buckets available on the S, they seem to be same with trim differences only. The configurator still carries the tantalising no cost option of 'racing harness mount' on the S too - still not seen this however (and there are aftermarket kits available).

HTH, Nick

[HokumPokum]

Tx. I was referring to the base 296mm brakes. As you say upgrading them requires a few parts and cost.

SO the cup wheels are wider and lighter than the fuchs forged wheels?

[Hoofty]

HokumPokum said:

Tx. I was referring to the base 296mm brakes. As you say upgrading them requires a few parts and cost.

SO the cup wheels are wider and lighter than the fuchs forged wheels?

Yes it does - I would certainly start from the 320mm brakes - and assume you only need to change pads from there. Plenty of hard trackers on here who could give you an idea of how long the standard 2 piece discs last under such circumstances.

The cup wheels are indeed wider:

Legende & Serac (cast): 7J front, 8J rear
Fuchs (forged): 7.5J front, 8.5J rear
Evo Corse Cup: 8J front, 9J rear
(Info pinched from Life110 website)

They are not lighter, as the width increase cancels things out (to my knowledge). That width increase is a good thing for the wider 'S' tyre sizes however.

They're available from Life110* in black or any colour of your choice:

Black: https://life110.co.uk/collections/alpine-a110-tuni...

Colour: https://life110.co.uk/collections/alpine-a110-tuni...

Worth noting that Michelin PS Cup2 tyres are available in the 215/245 S sizes.

'*Not an ad - but for transparency I do know Dave having previously worked with him, yet as much as it pains me to say, he really does know what he's talking about. It's a rare treat to be able to buy modifications from somebody who knows how OEM stuff is developed and (crucially) proven to work.

Nick

[HokumPokum]

tx

i actually ordered a black A110s today
and also spoke with Dave.

The options are:

cup tyres
aerokit
harness mount

That's it. Apparently the harness mount and aerokit is driving delays and UK hasn't had a car with harness mount delivered yet

expected to land Feb /Mar 2023

[Hoofty]

Ha, fantastic - welcome (in advance) to the fold!

[HokumPokum]

Tx. how much is the weight savings on the carbon roof? Is this more cosmetic than actual performance?

I'm beginning to wobble on the microfibre seats and pack.even if they do not add anything in terms of track performance

[bcr5784]

HokumPokum said:

Tx. how much is the weight savings on the carbon roof? Is this more cosmetic than actual performance?

I'm beginning to wobble on the microfibre seats and pack.even if they do not add anything in terms of track performance

The carbon roof only saves 2kg, I think a Lithium battery would be a better weight saving option - though there are issues to resolve if it is to charge properly.

[a110au]

found this in YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj81RDwbKZ4

A110S with roll cage and Öhlins rented for the 'Ring.. nice!

[Derek Chevalier]

HokumPokum said:

I know everyone raves about the ride and how it handles but I want to buy a car that sees 70 track/ 30 road that has an auto box.
I also want it to be lightweight so consumers can be kept in check.

I'm also looking at a porsche 987 cayman with PDK. yes it's half the price but it's also 10 years older and quite a bit hevier as caymans are.


as a stock car, I was simply going to stick on some pads and better brake fluid plus cup tyres for track duty...

Bad idea?

I think it really depends what type of track work you are doing. On flat circuits (Bedford, Silverstone etc), the standard suspension limitations aren't obvious, but take it somewhere demanding like the ring and the dampers can't keep the body under control - my friend had a Cayman R, and the body control was in a different league.

https://www.evo.co.uk/alpine/a110/ride-and-handlin...

"It’s not without fault, though. The damping isn’t quite there yet, lacking the fine control that really engenders confidence and encourages you to really push on. It’s exacerbated by the perceived imbalance to the weight distribution, which feels as if the engine is set too high and too far back. Over fast flowing roads the Alpine takes on a subtle diagonal corkscrew motion as the weight of the car seems to fall over onto the outside rear wheel. It’s lovely at eight-tenths, but push on and it feels a bit flightier and less trustworthy."

"At the very limit, under heavy braking or some serious speeds, the lack of ultimate body control can get a little white-knuckled,"

[stephendell]

Anyone wanting a hardcore track focussed version of the A110 should maybe hold out for a couple of weeks for the launch of this:

[Derek Chevalier]

Derek Chevalier said:

HokumPokum said:

I know everyone raves about the ride and how it handles but I want to buy a car that sees 70 track/ 30 road that has an auto box.
I also want it to be lightweight so consumers can be kept in check.

I'm also looking at a porsche 987 cayman with PDK. yes it's half the price but it's also 10 years older and quite a bit hevier as caymans are.


as a stock car, I was simply going to stick on some pads and better brake fluid plus cup tyres for track duty...

Bad idea?

I think it really depends what type of track work you are doing. On flat circuits (Bedford, Silverstone etc), the standard suspension limitations aren't obvious, but take it somewhere demanding like the ring and the dampers can't keep the body under control - my friend had a Cayman R, and the body control was in a different league.

https://www.evo.co.uk/alpine/a110/ride-and-handlin...

"It’s not without fault, though. The damping isn’t quite there yet, lacking the fine control that really engenders confidence and encourages you to really push on. It’s exacerbated by the perceived imbalance to the weight distribution, which feels as if the engine is set too high and too far back. Over fast flowing roads the Alpine takes on a subtle diagonal corkscrew motion as the weight of the car seems to fall over onto the outside rear wheel. It’s lovely at eight-tenths, but push on and it feels a bit flightier and less trustworthy."

"At the very limit, under heavy braking or some serious speeds, the lack of ultimate body control can get a little white-knuckled,"

And just to reiterate, at a very wet Bedford yesterday, the Alpine was excellent. I experimented with turning off the ESP fully and it shows how impressive Track mode is, which when switched on tends to temper wheelspin smoothly as the car starts to get sideways.

I think I had oversteer in more corners than not - probably one of my best track days.

[HokumPokum]

awesome.

I was at silverstone yesterday in my e46 csl and I wasn't enjoying it

just didn't feel confident enough to explore grip at speed with my tyres.

anyways roll on the A110R

[Derek Chevalier]

HokumPokum said:

awesome.

I was at silverstone yesterday in my e46 csl and I wasn't enjoying it

just didn't feel confident enough to explore grip at speed with my tyres.

anyways roll on the A110R

There's a lot to be said for the PS4s - a great all-round tyre. I was chatting to one of my friends on the day, and he had PS4S on his GT3. While Cup2s would be lovely on a warm, dry track, given our typical British weather for many months of the year, the non-Cups are a great compromise.

[a110au]

if anyone feels like searching the Alpine A110 MP-R modified car(s) are doing some pretty amazing stuff on the ring.

Like, 7 minutes 11 seconds BTG (Josh Track Day on YouTube).

He started with a Pure and ...

"Direzza 235 AV/ 245AR
1030kg / 305ch
Big upgrade on châssis
P2S 3 ways suspensions
Brakes R5000 AP racing"

MP-R has some pretty cool mods: a water air heat exchanger, under body naca ducts and that aforementioned super brake kit which is also 10kg lighter.

[HokumPokum]

A110R @ £89,990
with standard Black
Launch colour is £6k

The only interesting option is the Ultralight R pack: without front trunk.
which is free.